"DEADLINE: WHITE HOUSE" WITH NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS NOW.
>>> HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN
THE NEW YORK ON A BLOCKBUSTER
DAY OF BREAKING LEGAL NEWS.
DONALD TRUMP’S FORMER CAMPAIGN
CHAIRMAN PAUL MANAFORT FACING 7
1/2 YEARS IN PRISON.
A FEDERAL JUDGE IN D.C. TACKING
MORE THAN THREE YEARS ON HIS
SENTENCE HANDED DOWN LAST WEEK
IN THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF
VIRGINIA.
VIRGINIA. THAT JUDGE, AMY BERMAN JACKSON,
DELIVERING HER REBUKE OF
MANAFORT AND HIS LAWYERS IN WAYS
OF REPUDIATIONS OF HIS LIES, HIS
CRIMES AND HIS EXCUSES.
JACKSON DESCRIBING MANAFORT’S
LACK OF REMORSE AND HIS BREACH
OF COOPERATION AGREEMENT IN
STARK TERMS, WITH A SUMMATION
THAT DEFINES THIS MOMENT WITH
LEGAL AND POLITICAL HISTORY.
TELLING THE COURT, QUOTE, ALL OF
THIS APPEARED TO REFLECT HIS
ONGOING CONTEMPT FOR AND THE
BELIEF THAT HE HAS THE RIGHT TO
MANIPULATE THESE PROCEEDINGS AND
THE COURT ORDER DID NOT APPLY TO
HIM.
HIM. ALL OF THIS WAS A PROBLEM FOR
ME, BECAUSE COURT IS ONE OF
THOSE PLACES WHERE FACTS STILL
MATTER.
MATTER. AND PROSECUTORS IN MANHATTAN
APPARENTLY ANOTHER PLACE WHERE
FACTS AND CRIMES STILL MATTER,
EFFECTIVELY PARDON-PROOFING
EFFECTIVELY PARDON-PROOFING MANAFORT’S SENTENCE, MOMENTS
AFTER JUDGE JACKSON ISSUES A
SENTENCE P THE MANHATTAN D.A.
INVITED MANAFORT ON 16 COUNTS OF
FRAUD AND CONSPIRACY.
IF YOU NEED A MORE GLARING
EXAMPLE HOW FAR WE ARE OPERATING
FROM NORMAL, PARDON PROOFING,
CONVICTED LIAR, CHEAT AND
PERPETRATOR OF FRAUD FROM THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
THAT’S WHERE WE START WITH OUR
FAVORITE REPORTERS AND AND
FRIENDS, FORMER ASSISTANT FOR
COUNTERINTELLIGENCE AT THE FBI,
FRANK FIGLIUZZI, STAFF TO JOE
BUYSEN AND AL GORE GORE, ROB
BLAINE AND WITH US AT THE TABLE
THE FORMER PROSECUTOR FOR THE
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK,
WHICH NOT MUCH IS HAPPENING
THESE DAYS.
THESE DAYS. KIDDING.
KIDDING. AND FORMER AIDE TO THE GEORGE W.
BUSH WHITE HOUSE AND STATE
DEPARTMENT.
DEPARTMENT. FRANK FIGLIUZZI, LET ME START
WITH YOU.
WITH YOU. THIS WAS A DAY, AND SADLY, THEY
ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN, WHEN
LAW AND ORDER WON OUT.
>> TODAY WE SAW, THE BIG
TAKEAWAY FOR ME, NICOLLE, WE SAW
OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM WORKING
TODAY.
TODAY. WARTS AND ALL, BLEMISHES AND
ALL, WE MAY NOT BE THRILLED WITH
OUTCOMES IN SENTENCES AND MAY
SEE DISPARITIES BETWEEN
SENTENCING IN THE EASTERN
DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA AND
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, BUT TODAY
WHEN YOU TAKE IN TOTALITY THE
SENTENCING OF THE FEDERAL COURT
TODAY, COUPLED WITH THE
IMMEDIATE FILING OF INDICTMENTS
AGAINST MANAFORT AT THE STATE
LEVEL, THIS IS WHAT OUR SYSTEM
OF LAWS IS ABOUT AND IT’S REALLY
ABOUT CHECKS AND BALANCES AND NO
ONE BEING ABOVE THE LAW.
IT’S A GOOD DAY FOR JUSTICE
TODAY.
TODAY. >> RON KLAIN, REMARKABLE THOUGH
EVEN TODAY WITH HER COMMENTS
MAKING SO CLEAR HOW FAR
MANAFORT, YOU KNOW, HE WAS A
HARDENED CRIMINAL AS THE SPECIAL
COUNSEL DESCRIBED HIM IN THEIR
SENTENCING MEMO.
SENTENCING MEMO. SHE SAID HE DISPLAYED NO
REMORSE.
REMORSE. SHE SAID HE WAS SOMEONE WHO
FLOUTED THE LAW EVEN WHEN HE WAS
ENSNARED IN IT.
DONALD TRUMP SINGING A VERY
DIFFERENT TUNE.
DIFFERENT TUNE. LET’S WATCH DONALD TRUMP SHORTLY
AFTER THE SENTENCING.
>> WELL, I FEEL VERY BADLY FOR
PAUL MANAFORT.
PAUL MANAFORT. HE WORKED FOR RONALD REAGAN,
VERY SUCCESSFULLY.
VERY SUCCESSFULLY. HE WORKED FOR JOHN McCAIN.
HE WORKED FOR BOB DOLE AND MANY
OTHERS FOR MANY YEARS.
AND I FEEL BADLY FOR HIM.
>> ARE YOU GOING TO PARDON
MANAFORT?
MANAFORT? >> I HAVE NOT GIVEN IT A THOUGHT
AS OF THIS MOMENT.
IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT RIGHT
NOW IS IN MY MIND.
FILE BADLY FOR PAUL MANAFORT.
>> WE KNOW DANGLES WEREPARDONS W
FOR JOHN DOWD A COUPLE BEFORE
AND FLYNN PRIOR TO THE
INDICTMENT OF BOTH MEN AND THE
PRESIDENT STILL CAPABLE OF
ROLLING OUT AN ACTION THAT MAY
IMPERIL HIM.
IMPERIL HIM. >> I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT IN THE
CONVICTION OF LAW AND ORDER AND
WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.
THIS IS THE MAN DONALD TRUMP PUT
IN CHARGE OF HIS CAMPAIGN.
HE NOW BECOMES THE FIRST
PRESIDENT EVER TO HAVE WHILE IN
OFFICE HIS CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN GO
TO JAIL.
TO JAIL. THAT’S A PERMANENT MARK AND
TELLS US A LOT ABOUT DONALD
TRUMP.
TRUMP. HE SAID, NICOLLE, HE WOULD GET
THE BEST PEOPLE.
HE SAID HE WOULD DRAIN THE SWAMP
AND INSTEAD HIRED THE BIGGEST
ALLIGATOR TO BE THE CAMPAIGN
CHAIRMAN AND TODAY THAT
ALLIGATOR GOT TURNED INTO A
SHOES AND BELT.
IT WAS A LONG TIME COMING.
BUT WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT THE LEGAL
SYSTEM IS IMPORTANT BUT WHAT IT
SAYS ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
THIS CAMPAIGN IS AWESOME.
>> WE HEARD DONALD TRUMP AND WE
HEARD THE JUDGE FLATLY REJECTING
THIS ARGUMENT HE DIDN’T SHOW ANY
REMORSE.
REMORSE. HERE’S PAUL MANAFORT’S LAWYER
MAKING AN EERILY SIMILAR
ARGUMENT.
ARGUMENT. >> TWO COURTS HAVE RULED NO
EVIDENCE OF ANY COLLUSION.
>> LIAR, LIAR!
>> VERY SAD, VERY SAD DAY FOR
SUCH A CALLOUS SENTENCE THAT IS
TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.
TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. >> ANY IDEA WHEN THE MUELLER
REPORT IS COMING?
>> I HAVE NO IDEA.
I HAVE NO IDEA.
I CAN ONLY TELL YOU ONE THING
THAT WAS PROVEN TODAY, NO
COLLUSION.
COLLUSION. >> SO THE CRIMINAL DEFENSE
LAWYER -- SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO
HIT PAUSE AND HANG ON.
THE CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER
REPRESENTING THE DUDE WHO IS SO
DIRTY THAT NO CAMPAIGN FROM
RONALD REAGAN ON TOUCHED HIM, SO
DIRTY AND I WORKED ON A FEW, I’M
OLD.
OLD. NO ONE TOUCHED HIM.
TRUMP, LIKE LET’S SHINE OFF THIS
DIRTY, DIRTY PENNY AND USE HIM,
IS SAYING THE SAME THING AS THE
CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER FOR THAT
BAD, DIRTY GUY.
>> AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT THE
JUDGE SAID WAS COLLUSION WAS A
NON SEQUITUR.
NON SEQUITUR. SHE SAID WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
COLLUSION BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT
CHARGED WITH COLLUSION.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT
PAUL MANAFORT WAS CHARGED WITH,
FACING OR WHAT HE DID.
THIS IS NOISE AND THE JUDGE
NAILED THAT POINT DURING THE
SENTENCING HEARING.
SENTENCING HEARING. >> AND I GUESS STILL -- MAYBE I
SHOULD GET OVER IT.
IT STILL STARTLES ME WHEN A
CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR A
GUY GOING TO PRISON FOR SEVEN
YEARS USE THE SAME WORDS WITHIN
20 MINUTES OF ONE ANOTHER.
>> AS IF THEY HAD THE SAME
MESSAGE IN PLACE.
>> AS IF THEY HAD THE SAME
BRAIN.
BRAIN. >> WHAT SHOCKED ME, AND I KNOW
WE SHOULDN’T BE SHOCKED, BUT
IT’S SO PREDICTABLE --
>> EVERYTHING IS SHOCKING.
YOU CAN BE SHOCKED.
>> DONALD TRUMP SAID EXACTLY
WHAT THE JUDGE SAID, THIS IS NOT
TRUE.
TRUE. I AM NOT MAKING A JUDGMENT ON
COLLUSION TODAY.
COLLUSION TODAY. YET THAT’S WHAT HE LEADS WITH
WHEN HE STANDS UP TO SPEAK,
BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN HIS M.O.,
IT’S HIS M.O. EVERY SINGLE DAY
TO LIE, LIE, LIE WHEN THE FACTS
DON’T SUIT HIS AGENDA.
>> AARON BLAKE, RON KLAIN MOST
THE IMPORTANT POINT FROM A
POLITICAL STANDPOINT, THIS IS
THE FIRST TIME A SITTING
CHAIRMAN, FORMER CAMPAIGN
CHAIRMAN, HAS BEEN SENT TO JAIL
FOR SEVEN YEARS.
THIS IS STILL AN HISTORIC,
HISTORIC MOMENT IN AMERICAN
POLITICS.
POLITICS. >> YES, AND I WAS SAYING THAT
LAST WEEK WHEN PEOPLE THOUGHT HE
GOT OFF LIGHTLY WITH 4 1/2
YEARS.
YEARS. THAT 4 1/2 HAD MUCH-YEAR SENTENC
TWICE AS LONG AS SOME OF THE
MAIN FIGURES IN THE WATERGATE
SCANDAL.
SCANDAL. AND THIS WAS ONE GUY GETTING ALL
OF THIS.
OF THIS. I THINK IF ANYTHING THE WHOLE NO
COLLUSION TODAY REALLY
CRYSTALLIZES SOMETHING WE’VE
SEEN IN BOTH THE MICHAEL FLYNN
CASE AND ALSO THE ROGER STONE
CASE TO SOME DEGREE OR ANOTHER.
IT WAS EVIDENT THAT THIS NO
COLLUSION EFFORT, THE EFFORT TO
INSERT THIS INTO THE SENTENCING
MEMO, WAS GEARED TOWARDS THE
AUDIENCE OF ONE.
THE JUDGE CALLED THAT OUT TODAY
AND WE SAW AFTER THE DEFENSE
TEAM WAS REBUKED FOR THIS, THEY
HAD THAT VERY SAME MESSAGE THE
MOMENT THEY STEPPED OUT OF THE
COURTROOM.
COURTROOM. WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS EXPLICIT
OR NOT, ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE
MAKING IT CLEAR THAT THEY
BANKING TO ONE EXTENT OR ANOTHER
ON A PARDON FROM THE PRESIDENT.
THEY ARE NOT PLAYING FOR THAT
MESSAGE.
MESSAGE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY ARE
PUTTING THEMSELVES IN PERIL
BECAUSE OF THIS.
PAUL MANAFORT BY VIRTUE OF THAT
LIGHTER SENTENCE THAT HE GOT
LAST WEEK INCREASED THE ODDS
THAT HIS LIES TO PROSECUTORS AND
NO COLLUSION MESSAGE WOULD
ACTUALLY EARN HIMSELF MORE JAIL
TIME IN THIS HEARING TODAY.
AND THERE ARE ARCMENTS THAT HE
ACTUALLY THROUGH SOME OF THESE
MANEUVERS, THROUGH PRO-TRUMP
TALKING POINTS AND LEGAL ANTICS
HE’S BEEN ENGAGED IN, MAY HAVE
LANDED HIMSELF IN PRISON FOR
LONGER THAN HE OTHERWISE WOULD
HAVE.
HAVE. HE MAY BE BANKING ON THAT PARDON
EVENTUALLY BUT IF IT DOESN’T
COME, HE HAS COST HIMSELF
POTENTIALLY YEARS OR MONTHS OF
HIS FREEDOM.
HIS FREEDOM. >> FRANK FIGLIUZZI, PEOPLE
BANKING ON PARDONS, I MEAN, JUST
THAT PHRASEOLOGY, THAT TRUE
STATEMENT OF WHERE WE ARE, THE
CONVICTED FELONS MAY IN THEIR
OWN MIND BE BANKING ON PARDONS,
THAT’S THE EFFECT.
THE CAUSE IS WHAT I TALKED ABOUT
BEFORE, THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYER A
COUPLE LAWYERS AGO REPORTEDLY
DANGLED PARDONS BEFORE PAUL
MANAFORT, BEFORE MIKE FLYNN.
WE KNOW MICHAEL COHEN AND
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PARDONS FOR
THE PRESIDENT’S FORMER FIXER ARE
UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THREE
BODIES, THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF
NEW YORK, BY THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION, AND NOW BY AT
LEAST ONE CONGRESSIONAL
COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW
INVESTIGATORS AND PROSECUTORS
LOOK AT PARDONS AND DANGLING OF
PARDONS?
PARDONS? IT SEEMS ONE TACTIC THAT MAKE
PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF AND JIM
COMEY AND ANDREW McCABE TALK
ABOUT THE TRUMP FAMILY AND TRUMP
ORGANIZATION BEING MORE AKIN TO
A MOB FAMILY.
>> YES, SO THIS IS INTERESTING
BECAUSE IT SQUARELY IS IN THE
REALM OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
AND WITNESS TAMPERING.
AND THE THING ABOUT -- THE NEED
THING ABOUT WORKING CORRUPTION
IS IF GET A HUMAN SOURCE OR TWO,
YOU’VE GOT YOUR CASE MADE.
THERE’S BEEN RECENT REPORTING IN
THE MEDIA THAT THERE ARE
COOPERATORS ON THE TOPIC OF
DANGLING OF PARDONS.
I WOULD CAUTION PEOPLE TO NOT
GET CAUGHT UP IN THIS HE SAID/HE
SAID ABOUT WHO APPROACHED WHO
FIRST.
FIRST. BECAUSE IT ALMOST DOESN’T MATTER
AT THE END OF THE DAY IN TERMS
OF INITIAL APPROACH.
SO IF COHEN’S ATTORNEY WENT
FIRST AND SAID HEY, WHAT ABOUT A
PARDON?
PARDON? OKAY, I’M LESS INTERESTED IN
THAT INITIAL APPROACH THAN I AM
IN THE RESPONSE TO IT AND WHAT
HAPPENED AFTER.
HAPPENED AFTER. AND WHO’S A PLAYER IN RECENT
REPORTING BEING PLACED KIND OF
SQUARELY IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF
THIS?
THIS? RUDY GIULIANI.
RUDY GIULIANI. AND IT’S HEADED TOWARDS A
SITUATION WHERE I THINK GIULIANI
WILL BECOME A FACT WITNESS ON
OBSTRUCTION AND PARDONS, WE’RE
PROBABLY GOING TO SEE A BATTLE
ABOUT EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, ET
CETERA.
CETERA. BUT RUDY GIULIANI WILL GET HIS
DAY SIT AGO CROSS FBI AND
PROSECUTORS.
PROSECUTORS. >> TALK PARDONS.
>> I THINK PARDONS ARE REALLY
DIFFICULT FOR PROSECUTORS TO
DEAL WITH WHEN THEY’RE TRYING TO
BUILD THEIR CASE BECAUSE IT
THROWS THE INCENTIVE STRUCTURE
ON ITS HEAD.
USUALLY WHEN YOU’RE DEALING WITH
A DEFENDANT, YOU’RE TRYING TO
CONVINCE THAT DEFENDANT IT’S IN
THEIR BEST INTEREST TO
COOPERATE.
COOPERATE. YOU TALK ABOUT THIS IS THE
SENTENCE YOU’RE FACING, THIS IS
THE LIKELIHOOD YOU’RE GOING TO
GET CONVICTED, THIS IS WHY
YOU’RE GOING TO COOPERATE AND
PLEAD GUILTY.
PLEAD GUILTY. >> LIKE A COME TO JESUS MOMENT.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. WHEN THERE’S A PARDON, THAT
MAKES THAT CONVERSATION ALMOST
IMPOSSIBLE.
IMPOSSIBLE. AND I THINK THAT’S WHY WE ASSUME
ONE OF THE REASONS PAUL
MANAFORT’S COOPERATION AGREEMENT
BLEW UP SPECTACULARLY LIKE IT
DID.
DID. IT DIDN’T HAVE THAT CARROT AND
STICK THAT OTHERS MIGHT HAVE
HAD.
HAD. >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE THE NEW
CHARGES TODAY, 16 NEW CHARGES BY
THE MANHATTAN D.A.,
PARDON-PROOFING PAUL MANAFORT.
NO PARDON THE PRESIDENT COULD
ISSUE IF HE WERE SO INCLINED
WOULD SPARE HIM FROM THOSE
CHARGES AND CRIMES.
>> YEAH, NOT A GOOD DAY FOR PAUL
MANAFORT.
MANAFORT. FIRST GETTING THE SENTENCE
SENDING HIM TO JAIL FOR SEVEN
YEARS AND NEW CHARGES.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE
HOW THE EVIDENCE DEVELOPS BUT
THIS IS SOMETHING I DON’T THINK
THEY JUST STARTED WORKING ON
LAST WEEK.
LAST WEEK. MY GUESS IS THEY’VE BEEN
BUILDING THIS CASE OVER MANY,
MANY MONTHS NOW.
THEY PRESUMABLY HAVE A VERY
STRONG CASE.
STRONG CASE. I THINK THERE WILL BE LEGAL
ARGUMENTS THE DEFENSE COUNSEL
MAKES ABOUT DOUBLE JEOPARDY.
I DON’T THINK THOSE WILL LIKELY
BE SUCCESSFUL.
BE SUCCESSFUL. SO I THINK PAUL MANAFORT IS
LOOKING AT THE LIKELIHOOD HE
WILL BE SPENDING SERIOUS TIME IN
JAIL NOW.
JAIL NOW. >> RON KLAIN, THE POLITICS OF
THIS ARE PRETTY CLEAR, DONALD
TRUMP IS BANKING ON I GUESS HIS
BASE, HIS 30%, BELIEVING IT’S
HAPPEN ENSTAN, IT’S A
COINCIDENCE, THAT SO MANY
CONVICTED FELONS JUST STAGGERED,
STUMBLED ON HIS CAMPAIGN.
I DON’T KNOW, I WASN’T DOING
ANYTHING WRONG.
ANYTHING WRONG. BUT MAYBE THE LEGAL CRISIS
LEAPFROGS THE POLITICAL CRISIS
FOR THE PRESIDENT AS ALL OF
THESE NETS TIGHTEN AROUND ALL OF
THESE BAD GUYS.
>> YEAH, I DO THINK SO, NICOLLE.
HE’S DEFINITELY COUNTING ON THE
FACT HIS BASE WILL STAND WITH
HIM.
HIM. THE WITCH-HUNT, WITCH-HUNT,
WITCH-HUNT.
WITCH-HUNT. BUT THE COUNT OF WITCHES WHO
HAVE BEEN CONVICTED IS RISING
EVERY DAY.
EVERY DAY. AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT
BECOMES AN IRREFUTABLE FACT.
AS THESE PEOPLE ACTUALLY GO OFF
TO JAIL, PEOPLE NOW JUST
WATCHING THIS CASUALLY, IT’S A
BUNCH OF LAWYERS YELLING AND
SCREAMING AND PROCESSES AND
PROCEDURES, BUT WE’RE GOING TO
SEE THESE PEOPLE GO OFF TO JAIL.
THE FACT THE PRESIDENT
SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH
CRIMINALS, HIS NATIONAL SECURITY
ADVISER, CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN, HIS
OTHER TOP ADVISERS AND THAT I
THINK IS GOING TO TAKE A TOLL ON
PRESIDENT TRUMP POLITICALLY.
AND IT RAISES REAL JEOPARDY FOR
THE PRESIDENT AND PEOPLE AROUND
HIM LEGALLY TOO.
>> AND AARON BLAKE, PAUL
MANAFORT BEFORE HE SLIPS OFF
INTO HIS JUMP SUIT AND OUT OF
THE HEADLINES, IT WAS THIS CASE,
THIS INVESTIGATION AND THE LIES
TOLD BY PAUL MANAFORT ABOUT HIS
CONTACTS WITH KONSTANTIN
KILIMNIK THAT THE PROSECUTORS
WORKING FOR ROBERT MUELLER
DESCRIBED BEING AT THE HEART OF
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL PROBE.
WE STILL DON’T HAVE ALL OF THE
ANSWERS.
ANSWERS. WE STILL DON’T KNOW WHY HE LIED.
WE STILL DON’T KNOW WHY A LOT OF
THESE FOLKS LIE.
BUT I IMAGINE WE WILL HEAR MORE
ABOUT THIS IF IT WRAPS UP IN THE
NEXT WEEKS.
NEXT WEEKS. >> THE QUESTION HAS BEEN WHY
MULE IR’S TEAM HASN’T DISCLOSED
THIS KIND OF THING BEFORE.
WHY WE ONLY LEARNED ABOUT THE
ALLEGED LIES INVOLVING
KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK AFTER A
FAILED REDACTION FROM MANAFORT’S
LEGAL TEAM.
LEGAL TEAM. THERE’S A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT
ROBERT MUELLER HAS HIDDEN THESE
DETAILS FROM THE PUBLIC BECAUSE
HE DOESN’T WANT TO TIP ANYBODY
OFF ABOUT THE CASE AS FAR AS
COLLUSION.
COLLUSION. I’M NOT SURE IF I FIND THAT
COMPELLING BUT CERTAINLY THE
FACT MUELLER’S TEAM AND ANDREW
WEISSMANN IN COURT A FEW WEEKS
AGO SAID THOSE MATTERS DID GO TO
THE HEART OF SPECIAL COUNSEL’S
PROBE, I THINK IT LEADS TO THE
CONCLUSION THAT COLLUSION IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT IS OFF THE TABLE,
EVEN IF IT’S NOT A PROVEN CASE
YET.
YET. EVEN IF THEY’RE NOT NECESSARILY
GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
ANYTHING.
ANYTHING. PAUL MANAFORT’S LEGAL JEOPARDY
IS CERTAINLY CONTINUING IN NEW
YORK CITY.
YORK CITY. I’M NOT SURE IT’S EVEN OCCLUDING
AS FAR AS THAT ASPECT GOES.
>> COLLUSION IS NEVER A CRIME,
BUT PROSECUTORS ARE EMPLOYED BY
THE DOZENS BECAUSE WE NEED YOU
SO MUCH.
SO MUCH. BUT THE LIE WAS TOLD WITH THE
COOPERATION OF PUTIN.
THE LIE WAS TOLD BY PAUL
MANAFORT ABOUT HIS CAMPAIGN
CHAIRMAN, ABOUT THE CONTRACTS
AND POLLING DATA HE HANDED OVER
TO PUTIN-ALIGNED RUSSIAN ASSETS.
>> IT’S A MYSTERY WE DON’T KNOW
THE ANSWER TO, WHY DID PAUL
MANAFORT CHOOSE TO HAND OVER
THAT CONFIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN DATA?
WHY DID HE CHOOSE TO GO TO
MADRID TO DO IT?
WHAT WAS SO UNSEEMLY ABOUT HIS
RELATIONSHIP WITH KONSTANTIN
KILIMNIK?
KILIMNIK? >> WHY WASN’T HE BUSY?
HE WAS THE CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN.
>> HE HAD TIME AND IT WAS
IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO GO TO MADRID
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CAMPAIGN.
CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING ON A
CAMPAIGN AND JUST BEING LIKE,
CASUAL JAUNT TO EUROPE.
IT STILL BAFFLES ME THAT THAT IS
THE ONE THING THAT HE REALLY
WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO LIE
ABOUT.
ABOUT. AND WE STILL DON’T KNOW THE
ANSWER.
ANSWER. AND YOU CAN’T HELP BUT TO FEEL
THAT WITH SOMEONE LIKE
KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK, NOTORIOUSLY
KNOWN AS KK, THAT THERE IS MAYBE
A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE THAT
WILL BE UNVEILED.
>> FRANK, TIE THIS ALL TOGETHER
FOR US.
FOR US. THIS REALLY, AS WE’VE BEEN
SAYING, START MY CAREER IN
POLITICS, AN HISTORIC DAY TO SEE
A SITTING PRESIDENT’S FORMER
CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN SENT TO JAIL
FOR SEVEN YEARS AND ON THE SAME
DAY TO BE HANDED DOWN 16 NEW
INDICTMENTS AND PERHAPS ANOTHER
TRIAL, THE BEGINNING -- THE
BEGINNING OF A NEW PHASE OF HIS
LEGAL PROBLEMS.
LEGAL PROBLEMS. AND HEAR THE PRESIDENT SIT IN
THE OVAL OFFICE SIT IN THE
OFFICE AND SAY GOOD GUY, SALT OF
THE EARTH.
THE EARTH. REMARKABLE A, STUNNING, ALL OF
THOSE WORDS WE GET TIRED OF
USING HERE ON THIS SHOW.
>> I CAN’T HELP BUT THINK WE
NEED A REMINDER THAT MUELLER IS
STILL WORKING THIS FROM AN
ORGANIZED CRIME ENTERPRISE
THEORY OF PROSECUTION.
BY THAT I MEAN, HE’S WORKING HIS
WAY UP TO THE BIG FINISH,
WHETHER YOU’RE DEALING WITH A
STREET GANG, DRUG CARTEL OR
ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILY OR
POLITICAL CORRUPTION ENTERPRISE,
THAT’S WHAT YOU DO.
YOU WORK WUR YEAH UP, YOU FLIP
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR WHAT WE
SAW TODAY AND WHAT’S NEXT?
IT MEANS THAT WE’RE -- WE’VE GOT
A PRETTY BIG FISH HERE.
MANAFORT IS DONE.
AND WE’RE LOOKING FOR WHAT’S
NEXT AND THAT’S WHAT IS NEXT ON
THE BIG THEME OF THE RUSSIA
CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY FOR THE
CAMPAIGN, AND I THINK THERE IS
MORE COMING -- FOR THIS.
AND I AM IN THAT CAMP THE REASON
WE ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE
KILIMNIK LIE THROUGH AN ERROR IN
FILING IS BECAUSE IT’S THE MOST
SENSITIVE, SEMINOLE PART OF
MUELLER’S INQUIRY AND HE’S STILL
WORKING IT AND THERE’S MORE TO
DOM
DOM COME ON THIS, PROBABLY FOR ROGER