- Please welcome Pamela Anderson.
Oh my God, I'm so excited.
I can't even tell you how much I've wanted to talk to you.
- Oh, that's so cute.
And the video you sent me was so sweet and I thought
gosh, she's so, I do feel like a kindredness.
- You do?
- Some kind of something with you.
Yeah, because I've always just thought you were such
this, Angel.
- Wildflower?
- Wildflower.
- We're wildflowers, and ever since we started this show
and there was an opportunity planted in my head
like a seed in a garden, I started reaching out to you
because I kept thinking I would give anything
to have a conversation with you.
And it was a pandemic, it was weird times.
And then-
- Ah, I was having weird times back then too.
Yeah, I was on the ranch doing
who knows what?
Drinking beer, getting fat.
Well, that's ridiculous.
I was just, I'd given up.
I'd given up
- I gave up on life a time or two.
What was that one about for you?
- I felt like I was like a spawning salmon,
like coming home to die.
I was just like, just get me home.
I just don't, everything was just compounding,
when things happen and even relationship after relationship
it's not just, it accumulates.
It's not just one disaster after another.
They add to the last disaster.
And I just felt like I just want to go home.
I bought this little farm
from my grandmother 30 years ago, 25 years ago.
And I thought, I just need to go home
and renovate and not meet anybody.
Of course met the contractor, he was cute.
Married him.
That didn't last long, but still, why do I do that?
It's like my conscious desire to be noticed and seen.
I said, geez, I've got so much,
it's my actions that really propelled me
into thinking I just need to go back from the beginning.
Like, when was I normal?
Before weird stuff started happening to me,
when, I need to go back to that five year old child.
And so I started putting her picture everywhere
and then when I did Broadway, I put her picture
on the mirror and I said, she's gonna do Broadway
and I'm just gonna get out of the way.
And it was so powerful.
I mean, it's a crazy exercise to picture yourself
at five years old from head to toe and embrace that person
and tell them that they're gonna be okay
and get through everything.
It's just self-awareness, self-exploration, self-education.
Because, I was not an educated.
- Me neither.
- College educated person.
- I didn't even go to school.
- Well, yeah, you had a long career-
- I had set school.
We all know what that looks like.
- Yeah, well my school was my university
was a Playboy mansion, so I just say that.
- Okay, well that was kind of mine too, also.
- Well, I learned a lot there.
I've learned that there are such thing as philanthropists
and art and and gentlemen and chivalry and as crazy
as people really want me to always,
they want me to say something bad about it
but I didn't have a bad experience, that was so much better
than where I had come from.
- I felt like when I was doing Playboy
I was taking my power back,
which is what you said in the documentary.
But when I was doing Playboy and being a wild child
and being free and discovering myself and growing up.
I mean we were growing up, right.
We were young.
How old were you when you came from Canada to America?
- Well, my early-20s.
- Okay, why?
- I looked like I was 10-years-old.
I mean, I landed on Gay Pride Day.
I was like, I called my mom there's parade's here every day.
- [Drew] You didn't wanna go to the game, but you ended
up going and that's where they discovered you.
- [Pamela] Oh, that game,
yeah, I know it's been a faded kind of thing.
- [Drew] You rode with the limo driver,
you were his passenger, you didn't get in the back.
- Right, I didn't want to get in the back.
- I love you, I do.
I love you.
And why didn't you wanna get in the back?
- Oh, I just didn't think it was
and I wanted to talk to you back there.
I mean, I wanted to be in the front.
My mom does the same thing.
I realized that when she picked her up.
My driver would say, your mom rode in the front with me too.
She wouldn't ride in the back.
- Can you talk to me
about something that I didn't think about?
And I heard you say it and I never in my life
had anyone say this.
When I was doing Playboy
and loving it and having so much fun
and don't regret a thing and love it.
I didn't know I'd have kids later.
- Right, we don't do things
in your life thinking this is going to humiliate
or embarrass my kids when I have them
if I have them, you know?
And so, yes, I knew Playboy was going to be,
once I had kids, I was like, oh gosh.
And then I brought the kids
to the Playboy Mansion every Easter
and I was getting in the car and Brandon came out, mom
do you know what Hef does for a living?
I was like, oh God, what?
And he goes, he takes pictures of naked girls.
And I was like, oh my God, get in the car.
Let's get out of here.
- Okay, I know this sounds like a weird
like there's so many things I want to talk to you about
but like then I was watching you with Matt Lauer
and I went to this moment where I remember him,
I came onto the Today Show and he said,
I want to know why "Charlie's Angels 2" is such a flop
basically, and I never had a boundary.
I always turned it into a plucky situation.
- Well, we've learned how to smile our way
through things and just, haha, that was funny.
- I would actually like to be like you the way you said
to Jay Leno when he said, if you could be anybody
who would you want to be?
And you said, you, so that I could ask me these questions
or I could talk about me differently,
that's the spiritual way.
- Yeah.
Well, I mean, you do just you handle things
the best you can.
I mean, we all just do the best we can.
And this was a crazy business for me.
I never knew anything about it.
I know, I came from a little tiny town on Vancouver Island
and I was just experiencing everything
and learning everything and learning, oh,
this is the way it is.
But I was like, Mr. McGoo.
I mean, there was some things where I just
somehow I could have, I could have been so much worse.
It could have been so much worse.
So I had angels or something and now it feels so redemptive.
I've never felt in my life that I've been rooted for
and I feel like-
- I root for you.
- Oh, thank you.
But I know, but this is new feeling to me.
And this is a new feeling to me.
Did you ever write a book?
Did you write a book?
- Yes, I did called "Wildflower"
and that's why you and I are wildflowers in this.
- We're wildflowers, people.
You called me Wildflowers in the past.
- You are a wildflower.
- But you know, I didn't realize how angry I was
until I wrote my book.
When I actually went back into those chapters
and I wrote my book myself.
I didn't have a ghost writer.
I did it all myself.
And I felt like it's just, it just was unearthing
this volcanic kind of anger I had.
But I got to experience that.
My poor editors, I was like exorcist.
My head was spinning pea soup everywhere,
I was like angry girl.
And I was like, whew, I needed to release that.
And so-
- I referenced Reagan from Exorcist every day of my life.
Like spew head turned.
- You're really strangely similar, connected.
I was really looking forward when you sent me that,
and my kids watched the video
that you sent me and they were like,
she is your new best friend.
- Okay, okay, we're clearly now best friends.
This is exactly what I hoped for.
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