(heartbeat)
- [Shooter] Where is he?
- [Bystander] They just killed someone.
- [Shooter] Where is the people who work here?
- [Shopper] Ow. Don't!
- [Bystander] Whoa! Whoa!
(heavy rock music)
- [Host] Welcome to "First Person Defender",
where regular people come face to face
with unknown attackers.
- Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
- No! No! No! No!
- Drop the gun, son! Drop the gun! Drop it! Drop the gun!
- What about the (mumbles)
- Drop the gun! Do it now!
- [Host] And fight their way out.
(heavy rock music)
- [Host] This is "First Person Defender".
- Today on "First Person Defender",
if they're shooting inside a retail store,
unfortunately, it happens.
But how do you use the elements inside the store
to your advantage to save yourself and your loved ones?
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- [Host] These force on force scenarios
use training guns that fire non-lethal projectiles.
- I carry because I want to take my safety
into my own hands.
- Everybody thinks that carrying a gun is
solving the problem. Right?
They lack the training aspect of it
and watching TV shows, and watching YouTube,
although it may give you good ideas
is not a substitute for training.
- We were actually walking through a park one day
and there ended up being someone hiding in the shadows,
so we just escaped a really potentially dangerous situation.
The next day, I started carrying everyday.
- Unfortunately, today, yeah, we're seeing a greater trend
in active shooters and it's gonna change your tactics
and you've gotta be ready to immediately defend yourself,
defend your family, engage the subject.
- Oh wow, I'm expecting to not know anything
(laughs) that's going on.
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- [Host] A day out shopping turns violent.
In this scenario, Candice is tasked
with protecting herself and her husband.
(rhythmic drum beat quickens)
- It's time to pull up.
(gun fire)
- Hurry up! Come on! Come on!
- Wait! - It's your turn!
It's your turn!
- Don't kill me man!
(gun fire) - Ow!
(pensive drum beat)
- [Victim] Ow!
- [Shooter] Who's next?
Who's next?
Where're you at?
I know I saw someone in here.
It's over!
(drums rhythmically beating)
Where are you at?
I told ya'll this would be the day!
I told you! You didn't believe me!
- [Victim] Don't kill me! Don't kill me!
- We're done!
- [Victim] Don't kill me!
(gun fire)
- Ow!
- [Greg] End ex, end ex, end ex.
(fast dramatic music)
- All right. (heavy breaths)
- You're breathing a little bit.
- (laughs) Yeah that was scary, so scary.
- So walk me through what happened, what did you see,
what did you hear?
- I saw two guys come in
and really, I heard the bell and then looked up
and he was already shooting Steven.
So I just ran away.
And it was really hard to leave him there,
but I know that--
- That was just, was that--
- There was just no way I could've--
- Did you think through that or was that
just instinct? - helped him.
No, I thought through, he told me if he got shot
to run away in any situation
because then I could get help.
And then I thought I saw two people,
I knew I saw a red shirt and a darker shirt,
and I saw someone just shopping with a darker shirt,
so I wasn't sure what was the other person
that was coming in to attack.
Then I heard "He's gonna kill that guy."
So I'm like, "It's time to step out and help."
It was really nerve wracking,
especially knowing that
my husband was laying there bleeding.
- What was the goal of the bad guy, in your mind?
What was this situation?
What was going on?
- I knew that he just wanted to kill everyone in the store.
It wasn't a robbery, he came in and immediately shot Steven.
- So that is an important base line
to understand, to gauge our reaction.
You don't have a duty to act,
you're not a law-enforcement officer,
but we have to know this, if we're going to carry a gun
with us daily, we have to know that things like this
are gonna weigh on our conscience afterwards.
In situations like this,
there are two things that we need to do.
First thing, we need to stop the killing.
That means shoot and kill,
or shoot and incapacitate, stop the bad guy.
Until we stop the killing,
we cannot do the second requirement,
which is then, stop the dying.
Until we stop the threat and stop the killing,
we can't call 911 to bring in law-enforcement officers,
medical personnel or do our own medical treatment.
So at what point in time did you draw your pistol?
- [Candice] I got behind a concealment and then I drew.
- [Greg] Okay, so you ran first,
got behind the clothing racks back there
and then drew?
- [Candice] Yes.
- All right, 'cause I was wondering how that was gonna work,
drawing while you were running
because maybe some of the viewers don't know,
but you're wearing essentially,
like an inside the thigh holster
that you can wear with dresses,
which obviously, I don't wear dresses,
so I don't wear one of those holsters,
but, so you ran, you got stable, static and then you drew?
- Mm-hmm.
- Did it come out all right? Did it work all right?
- It came out really easy.
- Okay.
- We'd like to thank Springfield Armory
for their support of FPD.
One of the guns they offer for concealed carry
is the XD-E and it's actually a DA/SA gun,
actually a hammer gun so you can decock it,
run it a lot of different ways,
but it's single stack, easy to carry,
so if you like that type of gun, that type of trigger,
take a look at the Springfield Armory XD-E.
(metal against metal)
- All right Candice, so in this scenario,
you guys were kinda ambushed, right?
Your husband took two to the back immediately,
you kind of freaked out, ran away.
You gotta do what you have to do.
If you don't save your own life,
you can't do what you need to do
to help prevent other lives from being lost.
You ran back here, you got your gun out, all right?
Now that's the only kind of downside
to the way you're carrying right now
is that's mounted on the inside of your thigh,
so if you are running,
it's gonna be very difficult for you to draw
if your leg is moving.
Now, we have cover and concealment.
When you ran around, you kinda hunker right up
on this concealment.
The problem with that is
now you lose all awareness around you.
And now you're losing where he is,
you have no idea, right?
A couple things that we can do
rather than hunker right up
on this piece of concealment, right?
This offers me the same amount of concealment
whether I'm right up on it,
or I'm back here behind it.
Seize that initiative while he's busy focusing elsewhere,
I want you to get nice and crouched,
have your pistol aimed in on the open area, right?
You're aimed in where the immediate threat could appear,
not on the actual rack,
so you're aimed in right on this corner here, yup.
Get nice and low so your head's not exposed
and now slowly you're gonna trace the gun around that corner
as you slowly pie out until you see the target
and then nice and smoothly engage the target
with two to three rounds.
(gun fire)
Beautiful, all three hits.
You trained on him, he's down, you're pretty confident
that he's no longer a threat,
now what else are we gonna do?
We're looking around, are there any other threats,
are there bystanders, are there law-enforcement officers
that are gonna mistake me as a bad guy,
I need to get on 911, hey someone call 911,
maybe now I need to render aid,
there's a lot of further things we need to do,
like we talked about earlier, first thing we have to do
is stop the killing, right?
That's neutralize the threat, that's the cool term right?
Neutralize the threat.
We gotta stop the bad guy from shooting more people,
basically what it comes down to.
After we're confident we've stopped the bad guy
or bad guys of killing more people,
further injuring and killing people,
now we've gotta stop the dying.
- One of the companies that makes FPD possible is Ruger.
They've supported us from the beginning,
and they're really one of the companies
that popularized the small, semi-auto pocket pistol
with their LCP, LCP2.
It's a nice gun to have in your arsenal that you carry
with whatever you're wearing.
- [Host] "First Person Defender" brought to you by
Ruger
GunDealio smart phone app
Surefire
and Ammo Inc.
(heavy metal music)
(gun fire)
- Right, so, in Candice's scenario,
bad guy came in to the retail shop,
immediately started shooting people,
she was able to draw her gun,
move to concealment and engage him.
After you've been in an engagement,
after you've shot someone the fight is not over,
just 'cause you shot that person,
doesn't, one, mean that they're down
and your hits were effective.
So that's the priority,
tracking your immediate threat
that you know for sure is there to the ground,
making sure they're no longer a threat.
But then we've gotta become re-aware of the world around us.
Right? We've gotta break ourselves out
of that tunnel vision.
We've gotta scan, are there additional threats?
Are there other civilians that are coming to aide
with firearms that might mistake me as a bad guy?
Are there police arriving?
Right, police response to active shooters
are getting better and better, quicker and quicker.
If you have a gun in your hand, in an active shooter event,
and police respond, there is a very high probability
of you getting shot by the police.
And to no fault of theirs either.
We need to make sure we become aware
of the world around us again,
and we're not sucked into that tunnel
of the threat we just engaged.
All right, so low and behold, bad guy presents itself,
I drive my pistol out.
(gun fire)
(heavy metal music)
(gun fire)
Track him to the ground, he's down.
All right, gun's fallen out of his hand,
he's no longer a threat.
Now I can go ahead, and I'm starting to scan.
I'm gonna scan my secondary threat area.
And then I'm gonna check around,
I'm gonna scan all over,
real world, I may be turning.
Then I'm gonna go ahead and check,
is my gun in battery?
Yes, my gun's in battery.
Do I need to top off? If I need to top off,
I can access my spare magazine,
conduct a tactical reload, stuff my partial in a pocket
and I'm ready to go.
Police are arriving, I may set the gun down,
have my hands up, I may holster back up,
but now my gun is in battery with a full magazine,
threat's down, if another threat does emerge,
I'm ready to go back into that fight.
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(gun fire)
- You know Kimber is known as being a 1911 builder.
They make really nice 1911's.
And the thing that people like about the 1911
is that it's just a sweet gun to shoot.
So whether it's a small one for carry
or whether it's a bigger one to take to the range
and have some fun with, take a look at the Kimber 1911's.
- [Host] Candice finds herself shopping
when violence erupts around her.
She's drawn her line in the sand.
Is she quick enough to save those around her?
- Can I help you find something?
You looking for a particular size or anything?
- Yeah, 32,33.
- 32, 33, let's see, these are all--
- All you mother (beep) get up.
(beep beep beep) get up.
(gun fire)
Get down.
- I'm a get the register.
- Get the register, get the (beep) register.
- I'm concealed carry - You said you had a gun,
do something.
- I'm concealed carry.
- They're killing someone.
- Where is it? Where is he?
- They just killed someone.
- [Shooter] Where's the people who work here?
- Ow!
- Whoa. Whoa.
(heavy breath)
- [Greg] End ex, end ex, end ex.
(base guitar rhythmically strums )
- All right, how you feeling this time around?
Same or different?
- Different.
- Yeah?
- Yeah, I just, practicing the pieing out definitely helped
and then the shop worker was helping me,
so I said, "I'm a concealed carry holder"
and he's like, "You got a gun, shoot him."
so I'm like, "Oh, yeah. I better do that." (laughs)
- And I never, you know, and I'm the bad guy here
but I didn't hear you say that to him.
- I think I'd like to practice verbal commands,
because I got kinda got caught up on that
and I think it made me slower
'cause I'm like, "What do I say to this guy?"
so I know that he doesn't shoot me.
- Yeah we've heard some folks say some funny things
in the show when they try go give verbal commands
and they never have before.
- [Narrator] Shots and commotions happening
- Everybody down, I'm a concealed carrier, carrier.
I'm a good guy, everybody down,
everybody over in the corner there.
- Think giving verbal commands
and maybe practice them a little bit,
helps break you out of, like, getting tunneled in on things.
- As soon as I pied out, I saw you both together,
so then I just tried to get both of you down quick,
because I didn't want you to be able to come and get me
or go out and get maybe the driver,
I don't know who else is out there.
- You did hit us both.
Going through this a second time,
do you notice a difference in your nerves, your emotions,
and that kinda thing, or is it kinda the same?
- Yes, no, I definitely wasn't hyperventilating as much--
(laughs) - [Greg] Yeah.
- beforehand.
- You think about the first time you drive a car,
it's nerve wracking, and then the second, the fifth,
the tenth time, you start getting used to it,
and this is why we do this training.
- Yeah.
- Better? Worse? Different?
- I think I did better.
- Yeah, I'd say you acted quicker.
Yeah, you drew your pistol and you looked at me,
said, "I'm a concealed carry holder."
I said, "Great, you've got a gun, shoot 'em."
Right? He's killing people.
So I was tryna drive you, remember,
you know, seize the initiative.
The longer you wait, the worse the situation gets.
The more you let it progress,
the more they can enact their plan.
These guys have a plan coming in here.
Anything you can do to interrupt that
prevents them from enacting their plan.
Active shooters are not clairvoyant.
Active shooters are not, do not know where everyone is.
Active shooters get tunnel vision as well.
Active shooters are focusing on a certain threat,
"Okay, I killed him, now I'm gonna go to the next guy,
okay, I killed him."
We get paranoid, they know where we're at,
they can see us, they don't.
They don't, but we need to make sure
we can maintain our awareness and seize that initiative.
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