After initially getting through
the awkwardness of acknowledging
that he was seen masturbating on
video, Jeffrey Toobin, Allison
camera to move on Jeffrey says that
he has been going to therapy and
working to be a better person.
He says,
I swear to god he said that he is
volunteering at a soup kitchen.
Okay, good.
I'm glad they need help but
you look ,Are you volunteering with
the blind to like,
that's the most stereotypical No,
I'm seriously trying to change
thing, which is good, good.
Do your volunteering, and
then he mentions that he's
working on a book.
Don't plug your book right after
you hide behind soup kitchens do
one or the other.
But anyway, and
he's working to be a better person,
which is that's good.
We should all be working to be
a better person.
But if your point is,
it was a total goof.
I didn't mean to,
well then why do you need to
be a better person that seems to
acknowledge something else.
Anyway, for me, this isn't so
much about him.
It's about the experience of
the other people who had
to deal with it.
So that's where Alison camera moves
to in this video.
>> Am sure you've replayed that
embarrassing moment over and
over many times, have you ever
thought about what it must have
been like to be on the receiving
end of that zoom call?
>> Well, I haven't just thought
about it.
I spoken to several of my former
colleagues at the New Yorker about
it and, they were shocked and
appalled.
I think they realize that this was
not intended for them.
I think they realized that this was
something that I would immediately
regret as as I certainly did.
And it was then it was that the day
that I began apologizing and
that is something that I have tried
to continue to do,
both publicly and privately.
>> Okay, so look Brigitte he
goes on and he talks about bad
apologies versus good apologies and
he does he keeps apologizing
it actually gets a little bordering
on pathetic at one point.
But anyway, he's really apologizing
and everything and
I have no doubt that he would very
much like to be able to exist
in the public view again, so
I buy the apology or whatever but
what do you think about that?
What do you think about,
what should
be the continuing consequences?
There's already been consequences.
He lost his magazine job.
He was off CNN for
like seven months.
What do you think about
the continuing consequences?
>> Well, I would first want to make
sure that there is some very deep
meaningful like workplace
appropriateness, conversations and
trainings, because clearly
this is not somebody who,
knows how to conduct themselves in
a professional setting.
So, I mean, I think we shouldn't
be talking about,
I guess I'll put it this way.
In the me to era we've gotten so
many different kinds of men
behaving badly who then makes some
sort of apology.
Sometimes they're
kind of good apology,
sometimes they're bad apologies.
But I think that just making
a public apology and sort of
falling all over yourself to,
apologize verbally or
in a statement or whatever that is
not kind of absolve you of this
kind of wrongdoing.
He talks about volunteering at
a soup kitchen.
I need him to connect those two
places, like what does a soup
kitchen [INAUDIBLE] workplace
masturbation like, I think throwing
the book in there is a little bit
questionable as you said.
I would like to have a deeper
conversation about what in fact
the consequences other than losing
his New Yorker job.
What the consequences actually look
like, just taking a little
vacation from the public eye is not
necessarily consequences like
plenty of people live lives
without having television shows or
without having cushy media jobs.
And so I appreciate that he's in
a place where he is apologizing,
but for me, it's just not enough.
I feel that [CROSSTALK] And
again like thinking about the other
co workers like how would you ever
feel safe getting on a zoom
with him?
If his cameras off like what
is he doing?
I think these are all questions
that need to be answered by
him because he's the one that
messed up.
>> That's true.
That's true.
Yeah, it is sort of weird though
that the one of the consequences so
far has been out of the public guy
when that would have helped him
avoid all of this if he had just
nailed that part to begin with.
I agree.
So I don't know if they have to do
zoom calls anymore whatever,
but Yeah,
what would the other employees be
thinking at that point?
I don't know, but
then if we don't have time to delve
into all this I also think like so
what would have happened if he was
newly hired as a person on air and
wasn't a senior person, or
what if he was a producer that was
on one of these joint calls or
whatever and had done it what.
Like, I don't know, I just
I wonder about all of these things.
It also seems sort of weird.
Like, especially as you pointed
out, there's been a lot of forms
that this like bad behavior has
come in, like some of them as we
sort of alluded to earlier is
intentionally forcing someone to
watch you masturbate.
And like some of those people
haven't faced the consequences than
he did for the probably accidental
but still obviously wildly
inappropriate masturbating.
So I don't know it just I will say,
there are other people that can do
that job.
It's not like any one person is
indispensable to the world and
the world is done if you can't have
that person's political take or
whatever.
I don't know.
It's a weird time having him on it
all is so weird to talk about it.
I don't know.
>> Yeah.
>> So I appreciate On YouTube if
like if you don't find this so
interesting, whatever you're saying
to move on, but like,
this intersects with a lot of stuff
about what's appropriate,
what consequences there should be
intersecting with all of us working
from home during the pandemic, and
that caused a lot of issues.
Some of them were just cute.
Someone's toddler walking in
the background,
some of them not so much.
So anyway, those are my thoughts.
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