COMMERCIAL BREAK MY THANKS TO THE THREE OF YOU.
DONALD TRUMP’S OBSESSION WITH
TELEVISION AND THE TREATMENT OF
THIS PROBE, I TURN TO A MUELLER
WITNESS, SAM NUNBERG WHO HAD AN
INTERVIEW THE PRESIDENT WATCHED
ON TELEVISION.
ON TELEVISION. FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR GENE
ROSSI.
ROSSI. SAM, WHEN THE HISTORY IS
WRITTEN, YOU WILL BE IN IT TO
PUT IT IN LEGAL TERMS AS A
FOOTNOTE, WHICH IS BETTER THAN
BEING A BIG JUICY INDICTMENT
YOU WILL BE IN IT PARTLY FOR
WHAT YOU DID AT THIS TABLE WHICH
IS EXPLORE THE DEFIANCE OF THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL PROBE.
YOU ULTIMATELY COOPERATED.
WHAT DOES IT SAY TO YOU ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT IN TRUMP WORLD
THAT WHAT YOU FLIRTED WITH DOING
BRIEFLY AND ULTIMATELY
RECONSIDERED IS WHAT MUELLER
SAID THAT DONALD TRUMP DID
NOT A DAY OR TWO FLIRTATION WITH
DEFIANCE
DEFIANCE DEFIANCE, BUT THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES TRIED TO DEFY
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL AND TRIED TO
SHUT IT DOWN AND ASKING PEOPLE
TO LIE ABOUT IT.
TO PUT IT IN PLAIN ENGLISH WITH
FIVE MINUTES LEFT ON THE BEAT,
THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE GO TO
JAIL FOR
JAIL FOR >> I CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT DON
McGAHN HAD TO GO THROUGH AT THE
WHITE HOUSE.
WHITE HOUSE. I WAS ALWAYS SURPRISED THAT HOPE
HICKS LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE AND I
THINK I KNOW WHY
HE HAD TO BE INTERVIEWED BY
MUELLER AND NOT BEING ABLE TO
LIE TO THE PRESS
HE WAS UNDER OATH.
SHE HAD TO TALK ABOUT A PLAY BY
PLAY
PLAY >> IS THAT WHAT IT COMES DOWN
TO
TO HE ASKED SO MUCH OF PEOPLE AND
AFTER THEY HAVE GIVEN UP
EVERYTHING, IT’S LIKE A BIZARRO
GIVING TREE.
GIVING TREE. AFTER GIVING UP EVERYTHING AND
THEY ARE REDUCED TO A STUMP, THE
FINAL QUESTION IS WILL YOU GO TO
JAIL FOR ME?
MICHAEL COHEN DIDN’T WANT TO DO
IT AND DON McGAHN DIDN’T
>> PAR SERVE NO USE TO HIM WHEN
YOU TELL THE TRUTH
A LOT OF THEM ARE LEAVING AND
HAVE LEFT.
HAVE LEFT. >> SAY THAT AGAIN.
>> YOU ARE NOT USEFUL WHEN YOU
TELL THE TRUTH
>> I THINK THAT’S RIGHT.
YOU SEE IT IN THE RESPONSE TO
THE INVESTIGATION.
THE INVESTIGATION. ONE OF THE STARKER THINGS IN THE
REPORT TODAY WAS HOW HE BEHAVED
WITH WITNESSES AND HOW HE
BEHAVED WITH MICHAEL COHEN
HE WAS SENDING BACK CHANNEL
MESSAGES AND INTERMEDIARIES
SAYING THE PRESIDENT LOVES YOU
AND HE THINKS THEY ARE DOING
GREAT.
GREAT. HE WOULD TURN ON THEM AND CALL
HIM A RAT.
YOU SEE IT IN HIS GOVERNING
STRATEGY
STRATEGY LAST WEEK WE WERE ALL TALKING
ABOUT THE STORY WHERE THE
SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY
RESIGNED BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT
WANTED HER TO BREAK THE LAW.
THAT’S HOW HE USES PEOPLE.
THAT’S UP TO AND INCLUDING
BREAKING THE LAW
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LOYAL TO
DONALD TRUMP WILL DO
INAPPROPRIATE THINGS
INAPPROPRIATE THINGS >> GENE ROSSI.
ISN’T THAT THE BIGGER IMPORT OF
THIS REPORT THAT I HOLD IN MY
HAND
HAND WE DISCUSSED THE FACTS IN HERE
THAT ARE HELPFUL NOT ONLY TO THE
WHITE HOUSE, BUT SEVERAL OF THE
PEOPLE WHO DID SERVE FOR DONALD
TRUMP INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP
JOOERN AND IVANKA TRUMP WHO
ACCORDING TO THIS REPORT DID NOT
ULTIMATELY DO ANYTHING THAT CAME
CLOSE TO BECOMING TARGETS.
JUST LIKE WHEN I TOLD JAY
SEKULOW, THERE IS GOOD NEWS FOR
YOUR CLIENT AND WE NOTE THAT,
BUT THE LARGER PROBLEM WITH THE
OBSTRUCTION PIECE IS THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
IS THE ONE PERSON IN THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WHO HAS A
CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION TO
TAKE CARE THAT THE LAWS BE
FAITHFULLY EXECUTED AND NOW
AMERICA IS STUCK SITTING ON THIS
EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS REPEATEDLY
THAT MUELLER WANTED US TO KNOW
WHETHER WE COULD DO ANYTHING
ABOUT IF OR NOT THAT THIS IS A
PRESIDENT WHO FALLS SHORT OF
THAT CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION
AND HE’S THE ONE PERSON WHO IS
SUPPOSED TO BE MOST RESPONSIBLE
FOR IT
FOR IT >> IF I WERE TO DO AN OPENING
STATEMENT CHARGING A PRESIDENT
WITH OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, I
WOULD BEGIN WITH THIS.
IN THE END, MY PRESIDENCY IS
OVER AND I AM FUDGEICLE.
THAT’S ALL I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT
THE INTENT OF THE PRESIDENT.
LET ME SAY THIS.
>> WHY DID MUELLER PUT THAT IN
THERE?
THERE? THAT’S TELLING WHY
>>IT GOES TO THE INTERRUPT
INTENT OF THE PRESIDENCY
IF YOU READ THAT IN CONDUCT THAT
IS EMBARRASSING.
IS EMBARRASSING. WHEN I WAS READING THE REPORT, I
THOUGHT I WAS READING THE SCRIPT
FOR GODFATHER 4.
I ONCE CHARGED A STATE
PROSECUTOR IN VIRGINIA WITH
WITNESS TAMPERING AND
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
IF HE IS LISTENING, HE IS
PROBABLY LAUGHING BECAUSE WHAT’S
IN VOLUME TWO OF THAT REPORT IS
50 TIMES MORE THAN WHAT I
CHARGED IN MY INDICTMENT AGAINST
THAT STATE PROSECUTOR.
HERE’S WHY
HERE’S WHY IT’S NOT JUST THAT HE ASKED
WITNESSES TO LIE
IT’S NOT JUST THAT HE WAS TRYING
TO PROTECT HIMSELF
IT’S THAT HE DIDN’T CARE ABOUT
THE JUDICIAL PROCESS AND THE
RULE OF LAW.
ON JANUARY 20th OF HIS
INAUGURATION DAY, HE TOOK THE
OATH TO UPHOLD THE RULE OF LAW
>> YOUR POINT BEING HE TOOK THE
OATH AND CALLS IT INTO QUESTION.
YOU THINK OF A FICTIONAL
GODFATHER 4 AS WE AWAIT OF
WHETHER MUELLER TESTIFIES, YOU
THINK YOU ARE OUT AND THEY PULL
YOU BACK IN.
BOB MUELLER LEFT SERVICE AND
LEFT THE FBI AND WAS PULLED BACK
IN TO DO THIS JOB AND MAY BE