And let's go now to the former
Trump White House lawyer, Ty Cobb.
So what is the impact
of Ivanka's testimony
today as you see it?
I see it as totally inconsequential
and perhaps a tactical error
by the prosecutors because
they didn't get any evidence in
that they didn't really already have.
As you said, you know,
the documents
really spoke for themselves.
Now, there's a lot of theater, of course.
Right.
But but I'm concerned and,
you know, as a former prosecutor
and somebody who believes,
you know,
you can't you know, just because
of, you know,
Donald Trump's
big lie and his crimes and,
you know, the many tragic things
that he's done
and the damage is done to the country
you know, you can you can assess him
one way, but you, I think, fairly
have to assess
each of the other
individuals associated with them.
You know, on their own merits.
And I don't think America added anything
to the evidentiary
circumstances that.
So why do you think they just should have
they could have introduced
those emails
and done
that without her testimony,
as Andrea is saying,
the things that prove
that the rates
that were being offered for
loans were 9%
and then incomes Deutsche
Bank with this miraculous
2% and they're like, giddy up, let's go.
Don't ask questions.
Yeah, exactly.
Because that's
that's exactly what happened.
The chronology is
they went through the
Yale real estate group
and tried and tried to tried that route.
But, you know, as you pointed out,
there's a separate division
for high wealth individuals.
So they went
so they went that route
they got better terms.
You know, the negotiations over,
you know, the net worth.
You know, that's that was clearly
laid out in a series of emails.
And I think, as I recall, one
of the emails
between her and the
lawyers,
she was content to leave it at three in.
The lawyers
negotiated it down
ultimately to two and a half,
which is, of course, what you
what you would want
you know,
in order to maintain flexibility
and in the event of a market crash
or a liquidity issue.
So it's not it's not unusual to negotiate
that term.
I guess I just I'm concerned
only because I
look at what Trump's real goal here is,
you know,
to turn this into political scapegoating.
We have political scapegoating
and, you know, his insistence
that this is, you know,
part of a witch hunt.
And, you know, he's being,
you know, unfairly attacked.
And the fact that, you know,
she really didn't add much.
I'm afraid that I'm afraid
that sort of feeds that theme.
He'll certainly use it that way.
And I hate to see him.
I hate to see him get away with that.
So I don't I didn't do anything.
She said as,
you know,
as particularly significant legally,
And I'm concerned
that the politics of it,
you know, may favor
Trump and his attorneys efforts to, well,
pretend to be victims And to your point,
Ty, the point that you're
making on that, obviously,
the way she handled herself
is very differently
than how Trump himself handled.
As Andrea was just pointing out,
Letitia James
made the comment
about Ivanka's performance
before she even did her performance.
Right. It was so on brand.
It was so consistent.
Okay.
Cordial.
And she criticized
criticize her afterwards.
And I have to say, that's
that's playing from an ethics book
that as a former prosecutor,
I'm not I'm not familiar with
in the middle of the trial.
Well,
do you think Trump himself
learns anything from the way of Monica
handled herself?
Obviously, it's very different
than how he handles himself.
But he's going to be back on on the stand
again next week. Of course,
Right.
Yeah.
He he you know, he didn't learn anything.
I mean,
this is he can't he doesn't have a bank,
his intelligence
or discipline and my own view and
and, you know,
the fact I mean,
the truth is the interesting thing is,
you know,
there is no evidence
and they presented her with none
that she actually was involved
with the financials.
So the fact that she doesn't recall
being involved
in the financials,
you know, seems to be consistent
with with the evidence.
Now, Trump himself admitted actually
reviewing some of the financials
and making changes.
And that that was a stunning admission
that I think is very damning
and legally very consequential.
So I think
I don't think
you'll see a back again in the case,
but I'm sure you'll see
I'm sure you'll see Trump and his
and several of his
officers and directors.
So it'll
it'll be it'll be interesting,
but I, I just
I just hate to see him get away
with playing the victim,
which I think today
gave him an opportunity to do.
All right. Ty Cobb, thank you very much.