MY NEXT GUESTS ARE TWO AWARD- WINNING JOURNALISTS AND
CHILDHOOD FRIENDS WHO HAVE A NEW MSNBC SERIES CALLED T
"AMERICAN SWAMP."
PLEASE WELCOME KATY TUR AND JACOB SOBOROFF!
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>> HELLO!
>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
BEING HERE.
>> OF COURSE.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.
>> Stephen: THIS IS THE LAST SET OF DEBATES BEFORE THE RULES
CHANGE IN SEPTEMBER AND IT GETS A LITTLE TIGHTER.
WHO DO YOU THINK MADE ENOUGH OF A NAME FOR THEMSELVES OR GOT
ENOUGH ATTENTION TONIGHT TO SORT OF BOOST THEIR CAMPAIGN TO THE
NEXT ROUND?
>> I THINK IT'S NOT SURPRISING.
I THINK YOU HAVE WARREN.
YOU HAVE SANDERS.
BUTTIGIEG IS GOING TO MAKE IT THROUGH.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT BETO ANY LONGER.
I THINK HE HASN'T REALLY MADE N HIS MARK.
BUT THEN AGAIN THIS IS NOT FOR ME TO JUDGE.
IT'S FOR THE VOTERS TO JUDGE AND THE POLLING TO JUDGE.
>> Stephen: SURE, BUT YOU GUYS WATCH THIS A LOT. A
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: OF ALL OF THE WHITE MEN WHOSE NAMES-- WHOSE
NAMES YOU CAN'T REMEMBER, DO YOU REMEMBER ANYONE'S NAME FROM J
TONIGHT?
>> NO, NO.
>> DELANEY.
>> NO, BECAUSE HE GOT MURDERED.
>> HE GOT EVERY OTHER QUESTION.
>> Stephen: YES, HE DID.
AND TIM RYAN GOT SLAPPED AROUND A LITTLE BIT BY BERNIE TONIGHT.
KIND OF WARREN WENT AFTER DELANEY AND BERNIE WENT AFTER
TIM RYAN.
>> "I WROTE THE DAMN BILL!" >> Stephen: EXACTLY.
>> YOUR IMPRESSION IS BETTER THAN MINE.
>> Stephen: OH, I DON'T KNOW.
THANK YOU.
>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE DOES FOR A LIVING.
I THINK THAT THERE'S A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO:
WANT TO BLOW UP THE SYSTEM AND PEOPLE TONIGHT WHO SAID THEYI
WANTED TO WORK IN IT AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY GOT ANY JUICE
TONIGHT BY TAKING ON THESE TWO FRONT-RUNNERS, WARREN AND
BERNIE.
>> Stephen: DO YOU THINK IT IS TWO CAMPS?
>> I DO THINK SO.
I THINK DONALD TRUMP WON IN 2016 BY SAYING, "THE SYSTEM DOESN'T
WORK FOR YOU.
IT'S RIGGED.
I'M GOING DISPOOG FIX IT." A AND I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE
AN ARGUMENT HE DIDN'T FIX IT.
AND GOING OUT AND SAYING, "I'M GOING TO RETURN THINGS BACK TO
THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE, DONALD TRUMP."
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE ARGUMENT TO MAKE TO THOSE VOTERS WHO
DESPERATELY WANT CHANGE.
AND I THINK RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS WHO FEEL LIKE
THEY DON'T REALLY LIKE WHAT HAPPENED.
BUT THIS SPECIAL -- >> Stephen: THE SYSTEM IS
RIGGED AGAINST YOU.E >> THE WHOLE SPECIAL CALLED
"AMERICAN SWAMP" ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEM IS SET UP RIGHT NOW TO
NOT WORK FOR YOU GUYS, AND TO COME OUT THERE AND SAY, "NO,
DON'T WORRY, YEEL BE ABLE TO FIX IT WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS," I'M
NOT SURE THAT'S A WINNING ARGUMENT.
>> I THINK BERNIE SET THE STAGE AND THE TABLE VERY WELL AT THE
BEGINNING.
WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS AMERICA IS WHAT BERNIE SAID WAS
HAPPENING TONIGHT.
HE SAID IT VERY POINTEDLY AT THE TOP.
WE HAVE 500,000 PEOPLE HOMELESSD IN THIS COUNTRY TONIGHT.
TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTH CARE.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO STAYED HOME
LAST TIME AND DELIVERED THE ELECTION TO DONALD TRUMP--
BECAUSE THAT'S WHO REALLY DELIVERED THE ELECTION TO DONALD
TRUMP-- BEING FIRED UP BY SOMEBODY SAYING LET'S FIX THINGS
IN THE SYSTEM AS IT EXISTSCA TODAY.
>> Stephen: TOMORROW NIGHT, THERE'S ANOTHER DEBATE.
CNN PUT UP THE COUNTDOWN CLOCK.
>> CAN'T WAIT.
>> Stephen: I THINK THEY'VE
LOST THEIR COUNTDOWN CLOCK PRIVILEGES.
DO YOU GUYS USE COUNTDOWN CLOCKS ON MSNBC.
>> I THINK WE HAD A COUNTDOWN CLOCK FOR "AMERICAN SWAMP."
>> YOING THEY GAVE US A C COUNTDOWN CLOCK, AS FA.
>> Stephen: 510 DAYS ON THE ROAD WITH DONALD TRUMP.
DO YOU SEE ANYBODY FROM THE DEBATE TONIGHT OR ANYBODY YOU
SAW IN THE LAST TWO DEBATES WHO IS A COUNTER-PUNCHER LIKE DONALD
TRUMP WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO GO TOTOE TO TOE AND PUNCH BACK.
>> I THINK BIDEN CAN GO TOE TO TOE WITH HIM WITH THENA
NAME-CALLING AND THE ONE-LINERS.
BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT POLICY.
DONALD TRUMP, AGAIN, RAN ON CHANGE THE SYSTEM.
AND I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO
PEEL OFF THOSE VOTERS WHO TRIED TRUMP AND MAYBE DON'T KNOW IF
THEY STILL LIKE HIM, YOU'RE GOG- HAVE TO COME TO THEM WITH AN
ARGUMENT OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR LIFE BETTER.
YOU CAN'T JUST SAY I'M GOING TO RETURN IT BACK TO 2016.RI
I ALSO DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO JUST GO AFTER DONALD
TRUMP ALL TIME BECAUSE DEMOCRATS ALREADY DON'T LIKE HIM.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SUDDENLYUS FORGET THEY DON'T LIKE HIM, SO
YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
>> Stephen: YOU WAIT FOR THE GENERAL FOR THAT.
>> YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT POLICY.
AND I THINK ELIZABETH WARREN HAS A REAL SHOT TO REACH THOSE
VOTERS WHO ARE DISSATISFIED WITH THE SYSTEM AND AREN'T SURE IF
THEY STILL LIKE TRUMP.
I THINK SHE CAN APPEAL TO THEM BY TALKING ABOUT HER PLANS.
>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE KATY TUR AND JACOB SOBOROFF AND
THEIR NEW SHOW "AMERICAN SWAMP."
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