welcome to 60 days insider i'm dan abrams it's the final days of the program we're going to
talk about what sheriff knowle is learning as participants begin to finish their time in the
program and phase two participants will start to put their lives back together on the outside
we're here in the studio with sheriff noel captain maples and phase one participants zach and miriam
glad to have you all with us i want to recap some of the bigger events in phase two before
the finale airs in 15 minutes zach let's talk ashley she's struggling she's not getting the
support that she needs from you at this point yeah so you have basically two options deal with it
or don't i am dealing with it to him this is like a cake walk but this is life and death
for me just as afghanistan was life or death for him i break one night in here and i pick
up a drug or something like that that's that's it there's no going back for me that's my bullet
you're seriously insane as you watch this do you feel guilty absolutely at the time it seemed
like a logical response a lot of the times if i'm tough on her it gives her that extra to
get through the situation if you'd been watching this live would you be concerned that her sobriety
is at risk obviously i didn't intentionally try to jeopardize my wife sobriety i would never in
the million years do that so did you think the women's pod wasn't as serious as what you went
through do you think it just wasn't as i didn't think it wasn't as serious i thought it was a
more of just you know i mean the men's pod was more physical violence was definitely
prevalent and the women's spot i thought was just a lot of yelling but not really
stereotyping us i wasn't stereotyping trying to i wasn't trying to stereotype but i mean
yeah from what i was you know i was just trying to go off what information i had exactly you
know looking back on it if i'd known then what i know now i would have absolutely 100 changed
let's talk about dion dion seems to be a fundamentally different person as this progresses
i'm about to go smack every last one of them i'm done playing with people i'm not like
if i got to come at people it is what it is
we had to go behind the curtain and handle it if we got to i'm ready to fight are you surprised
to see this sort of evolution no i think he was the least comfortable with the situation because
he's not a jailbird he hasn't had that lifestyle he's been in college he's you know lives in a
nice area so i think it got to him i think those conditions got to him you think it's going to be
tough for him when he gets out he's resilient so i don't think it'll affect him too much that's weird
how jail changes people even though when you know you're there voluntarily undercover participant
it changes you it absolutely does mariam uh mona lisa becomes very attached to stephanie
then starts to feel like she got played in there something just don't sound like they've already
talked to the bank chief whoever approved it it's on my i don't understand what the problem is
never once have i bought into stephanie because stephanie's a scam artist
that want to sell your story they feel sorry for me it's constant manipulation
i think mona lisa for quite a while definitely fell into it a little bit
i think stephanie is going to leave a mark on me some things i've watched her do my daughter
does to me those exact same games you don't know everything about these ladies like i
saw a different stephanie you know when i was in there stephanie was one of the pod
bosses are you sure i said stephanie said that yes she did no she did all right no she did it
i'd like to hear what i said that you're going to whip her ass feed her ass if she
girl i could do nothing but nice to you matter of fact if you don't go out
there saying somebody corrected him nobody threatened you it doesn't have been nice
stephanie was very loud in and out i already know stephanie has a different past already
so you just don't know what they've gone through and what's already happened before you got there
sheriff let's start with ryan almost crossing the line and becoming too much of an inmate you
know he does a lot of stuff that we asked him not to do in training he got to the point where ryan
was protecting the inmates he wasn't giving us information that we needed it was like he went
full-blown inmate and were you concerned it could blow the entire program um absolutely so captain
ryan has been someone you've been concerned about since very early on are thinking you might be able
to get some some good information from them i'm hoping so in phase one and phase two there's only
two participants that i had to physically go talk to robert you got the nfl network here
and then ryan i'm starting to worry a little bit for your safety to be honest with you i
know you're in a room with uh garza yeah i don't want you to think that you know garza is your
your friend well i can also gauge things fairly well for myself
but i still think he's going to have some valuable information as we come to the end of the program
what are the participants feeling as they're getting to just a few days left it's really
tough to keep maintaining that cover knowing that you've got two days left or one day after
you know that you're right at the end of that time so what information did mona lisa provide you that
led to changes at the clark county jail biggest thing that shows up in my eyes is
that how much we changed her which was just shocking she looked at me in the beginning
and gave me and the captain and the staff to look like i just don't like
police i don't like corrections she literally would stand on the opposite
side of the room as us wouldn't talk to us by the time it was over she was hugging us
i was very surprised that the co helped me because i honestly i had a preconceived notion of cos i
kind of felt like they could care less this guy surprised me and it was more than a relief well
let me ask you as a social worker how do you think this experience will enhance her ability to deal
with her daughter's situation you know it's going to enhance that ability um to know the experience
is going to be you know very beneficial for her daughter in in the way her mother helps her
afterwards because her mother went through this i think she'll know what kind of counseling to
get her what kind of rehab to get her she could speak her language zach quinton said that he
feels that the system manufactures chaos because 3c the prisoners decided who got to use the cells
who got bunks who got access to showers your staff could have controlled that and that
created a great deal of stress it also empowered the stronger inmates to run that particular pod
there's a lot of chaos that is created when you are trying to man 12 posts with six people so
it's tough i mean it's tough all the way around i think quentin was very critical well i appreciate
that but sometimes i think he was over critical seems like everything boils down to short staff
short staff not enough funds would you agree with that yeah absolutely a lot of people write me hey
sheriff if you had a corrections officer direct supervision that pod this stuff won't go on
absolutely right but i've got two officers guarding 300 plus inmates in six sections if i
put them two and one right then there's somebody watching so you would welcome more funding for
more stuff it's almost like it's calculated risk every day right sheriff noel i can't imagine what
they have to say is always easy to hear do you feel defensive you ever want to say come on that's
not true that's not fair no not really no honestly i mean i knew going into this you got to take the
good and bad and obviously as you see there's a lot of bad stuff that we need to do to improve do
you train the cos to be respectful it's a constant battle with inmates to make sure that you're not
being a quote-unquote inmate lover but you got to be respectful of them and to get respect
you got to you know give respect so the good cos that shown through this that were doing a
good job and go above and beyond we use those now for those officers for training officers
one thing we haven't had a lot of time to talk about is life after jail i just really value my
freedom i thought i did before and i do now and i just it changed me it really did i mean when
i said the grass is greener the sky is bluer it still is that they kind of stuck with me
it's definitely eye-opening to be inside and then come back out and and realize how much
freedom you actually do have and how much freedom you actually do give up when you go inside you