- I'm just so excited.
- Welcome to the new Nissan Z.
Alex is excited, I can barely--
- I'm so excited for this car.
- Do anything without him talking about it
and getting excited about it.
So, we're gonna dive in-depth,
look at some of the facts
that have been released, announced.
Get Alex's reaction to the trailer.
- The 400Z is officially unveiled!
- No, the Z, not 400.
- The Z is coming to the States in the springtime
and I couldn't be more excited.
For those that don't know, I love Nissans
and I love specifically
that they're coming back with this car.
I've been a huge fan of the 240, 260 and 280Z.
I had a 280Z a long time ago,
but I attribute a lot of what I love
about tuner cars to my '76 280Z.
So, with that being said,
when Nissan introduced it, it was a big deal.
Manual, six-speed, affordable sports coupe.
Something a lot of people wanted.
- We're not here to talk about the history of the Nissan Z.
We're here to get our reactions.
- Yeah, okay, but the thing is,
is this is a big deal because Supra (bleep) it up.
- Okay, we'll get into that too.
Okay, so what we're gonna do
is we're gonna take a look at the reveal video,
then we're gonna hop on over to Nissan's website.
See some of the facts of what's been released.
- The figures. - Yeah.
So, wheels, tires, and suspension,
fitmentindustries.com, let's check it out.
Finally, an enthusiast car coming out.
- Look at those wheels.
They're actually pretty good looking for factory.
- I'm not gonna lie,
I've seen the reveal video and it gave me fricking chills.
- It's just nuts,
what they carried into this brand new car.
There's so many old design notions of this car
from the 280, 260 and 240, even the steering wheel.
- They said the steering wheel
was designed and influenced by the GTR steering wheel.
- Really? - Yeah.
Which I thought was super interesting.
- I found this on the web.
- Wait a minute, you're not supposed to talk to me.
Even the slope on the rear arches.
The placement of the emblem in the same exact spot.
That was an interesting exhaust tip.
- Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that.
That was like the one thing.
I love the car but the exhaust tip was a little--
- Did you hear the exhaust note?
Kind of a little, I don't know.
- I thought you were gonna say something.
- A little turbo.
I don't think it's actually gonna sound like that.
- That's what I was gonna say.
I'm interested to see how it actually sounds.
- I don't think it's gonna sound like that.
- I mean, you can look up Infiniti's,
see how they sound with a...
'Cause that's one thing now.
They did put the Infiniti engine in there
and they use the 370Z chassis for this car.
- So, it's a different motor
but it's the same platform
or similar platform as the 370Z.
- Yeah, so we're just gonna sit in that
for another 12 years.
- Yeah, I mean, that's such a Nissan thing to do.
- They loved the 370Z.
They haven't changed the 370Z.
- Well, Nissan doesn't really have that much money
to do that with, so they just keep reusing
the same chassies as long as humanly possible.
- And I got to get this out of the way,
I might have a little bit of tension here
because there's a lot of talk going on
between the Supra community and the new Z community.
And I feel like I need to defend the Supra slightly,
but I will say I absolutely love the new Z car
and I think it's phenomenal, I think they did a great job.
So, obviously we have the 400 horsepower twin turbocharged.
- How much does a Supra have?
- The A91's have 380 from the factory, which is interesting.
We're pushing 350 torque out of there.
So, it's a little less than the Supra.
- Nissan's just not...
Okay, I'm not a huge fan
of Nissan's automatic transmission personally.
I think the only reason that this car
is going to be successful,
especially with the enthusiast community,
which we've kind of talked about
is they're driving into the ground
that this is an enthusiast-driven vehicle, why they made it.
I think that them coming out
with that six-speed manual transmission
is gonna be one of the key differentiators that's gonna...
If somebody's looking at what's comparably
a Supra to a Z, they're gonna probably,
if they're looking at that transmission
as one of those go-to's, they're gonna lean towards the Z.
- I think the Toyota Supra missed the mark,
not offering a manual transmission
and Nissan is leaning the hell into that.
Just, "Hey, this is an enthusiast car."
- Yeah, I feel like they saw the opportunity.
- And it really is, and they did a really good job
in pairing that six-speed manual
with a mechanical limited slip differential is huge.
Now, one thing they did add which is new to the Z platform
is electronic steering.
- I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of electronic steering.
I am an in certain vehicles,
but they're usually priced much higher
that you don't really feel the fact
that it's not real steering.
I'm not sure how Nissan's gonna do it.
I haven't driven the Q50, Q60 though, that heavily,
so, I didn't really compare the two,
but I don't know how I feel about that one.
- Now, going over the interior too.
I think the 12 inch display for the cluster,
that's all digital is cool, it's customizable.
You can choose what you have up there
and you can put a boost gauge, your temp, stuff like that.
Very cool, however, they have the triple gauge cluster,
which is very iconic for a Z car.
- Actually, just one time, I was doing a burnout one time.
And I launched it, and this is when I knew
I had a problem with my build quality,
is I had a temp gauge right here
and my temp gauge just flew out.
I was doing a burnout, let her roll out and it shook out.
And then the cord disconnected,
which caused the rest of my dash to stop working.
- That's perfect. That's how you want things to go.
- Garage builds. Anyway, continue.
- Yeah, so we have, starting from left to right.
A boost gauge, cool, that's sweet from the factory.
It looks mechanical, not digital from what I can tell too,
which is a plus in my opinion.
The middle one's the one that weirds me out.
That's turbine speed.
So, how many rotations your turbo is.
- That's just a thing Nissan does
where they just add a random gauge
that you're not entirely sure if it adds any value.
- Yeah, and then we got volts, which again, is arguable.
Why can't we get oil pressure or air-fuel ratio.
- I can't wait for some gauge company to just go,
"Okay, here's your boost, here's your oil pressure
and then here's your temps or your AFR, there you go."
Or they're gonna create it
so that they're gonna code it in
where you can just get a new display
that'll show all of that.
- True.
Yeah, I mean it's cool,
I like that it has factory gauge dials but turbine speed.
- Yeah, turbine speed.
What do you think about the two-tone interior?
- This is, I feel where the unfortunate downturn
of Japanese styling comes in and we're seen with this,
in my opinion, from what I've seen, the blue interior,
where it's the full blue interior.
- And here's the thing that I will say that Supra...
I feel like a lot of people have this thing
against the Supra, because it's a new sports car.
People will learn to love that car over time.
But Supra did, Toyota and BMW,
they did a really good job with them coming together,
them giving the products to Toyota,
Toyota saying, "No, it's not good enough."
That return, that QA check.
You get in a Supra, and yeah, it's littered with BMW,
but it's good quality stuff.
I mean, I really like the interior of the new Supra.
I always worry about Nissan's interiors.
And generally speaking, a lot of Japanese sports budget cars
have some really odd interiors sometimes.
The Datsun was never known for its interior
and it wasn't known for its wiring either.
It was terrible on both accounts,
but it was a fun car to drive.
So, I'll be interested to see it.
- The good news is I think if it was just all one color,
it wouldn't be bad at all
and I probably wouldn't have noted anything about it.
It's these goofy blue seats with the half blue dash
with the wrapped blue around you, it's just too much.
It's cool too, to see an actual handbrake,
not an electronic button.
- And that might actually be a big deal
for people that want to try maybe tossing it sideways
or the drifting community or something like that.
To actually have a handbrake with an LSD, that's a cool pro.
- Yeah, it was cool to see
that Nissan modernized where they needed to
and they left stuff alone that they should have,
which is what the super didn't do.
- They have the 300ZX style tails,
they have the arches, they have the rear window,
which is iconic for that Z-ish design.
- Oh, you can just see the 240Z all over.
The side profile of this car just screams 240Z.
- Yeah, they have the Teardrop style headlights,
which was a kit.
I mean, they have even the door handles,
that's like a combination of the 350, 370,
kind of coming into a new Z style.
It's just, I really do think that Nissan
has a lot of opportunity to
not mess this up with this car, they really do.
- Absolutely.
Some cool stuff too, it's going to have launch control
from the factory, which is brand new for a Z car.
Kind of neat.
Coming out spring 2022, so if you can wait.
- I feel like I want one. I would like to have one.
What do you think?
So, here's another question to just ring it back real quick,
'cause first impressions are super important.
But we're treating the motor,
like it's a brand new motor when it's not.
It's the same exact out of the Infiniti, right?
It's the twin turbo three liter, 24 valve, six cylinder.
The one thing I will say
that a comparable like a Supra is gonna have on this
is the B58 platform has done
relatively pretty well with power,
but the Infiniti Q50, Q, that platform,
I'm not sure has the same history, does it?
- Yeah, it'll be interesting to see the reliability of this,
but having 400 horse out the gate is pretty insane.
And I think all this is gonna come down to,
this big battle that's going on
is what this price point is gonna be.
Are they gonna have a cheap version at high 30's
for people to just get into and then...
Well, one thing too, that I think is gonna change the game,
the Nismo model, and I know that might be out
a little farther but that will literally be a game changer
and seeing this car, I think it's absolutely gorgeous.
And it is the perfect blank slate.
It's subtle, the car itself is subtle,
but imagine this thing dropped on wheels
with some arrow bits too, a splitter, a diffuser,
oh my God, it's gonna look insane.
- I mean, just how the rear bumper lifts in the back.
I mean, it's begging for a rear arrow.
The side skirts, the amount of space
you actually have on the vehicle's nuts
and to bring up the Nismo part,
Nissan does this thing where they're blank slates
are really, really blank slates.
I mean, everything that you see here on this picture,
the blue one that has the black top on it.
I'm telling you that they're gonna upsell
half the crap that you're seeing on this car,
because they're gonna get you a base model
that's probably gonna be like 35 to 37 and a half,
but they're gonna get you on the two-tone roof,
they're gonna get you on the LED headlights,
they're gonna get you on the up-sized wheels
or the upgraded brakes.
You saw the Z painted breaks.
Do you want color match breaks or do you want standards?
- The thing is, is it not absolutely insane
that hopefully for 38k, you can get 400 horse.
- That would be incredible.
- And that's the biggest thing
with the Supra too, right now.
You can get a 400 horse, imagine in a few years here,
when you can get a B58 turbocharged in-line six,
and it's tuneable, you get a downpipe an E50 tune,
you're making damn near 500 horse.
And those are gonna be low 40's, high 30's
once they get some miles on them.
- I think that's what makes me so excited
for what we saw the Z do.
And also, I mean, in all honesty,
what we saw Toyota do with the Supra
is now we're seeing the Z
and then we're gonna see the Integra
and then we're starting to see the NSX,
I know that's a much higher mark,
but you're starting to see a lot of these companies now,
say this generation that used to love these cars
are now coming back into the fray
with a little bit more cash,
way more nostalgia love for these cars.
And they're gonna pick one up.
For me, personally, I love what this car stands for.
Even if it's not the best, best, best bang for your buck
at 40G's, it's still a fantastic platform.
And to see Supra, having a fantastic platform,
see an Integra comeback.
I mean, it's like every part of my inner 16-year-old
is so excited to see these cars.
- I was gonna say, I've been getting so jacked up
seeing these reveals and Acura releasing the Integra
and the Supra came out, and now the Z.
I feel like I've been a little harsh
on these first reactions to the Z,
but I truly do love this car
and I think the car community got a huge win here
because to see something like this,
it's like a car enthusiast's dream car
and Nissan knew what they were doing.
- And I think it's a nice, healthy bump
right between different platforms.
When you look at the BRZ or the GT86 or whatever it is
that they're calling it these days.
Some of the people they don't like the 224 horsepower,
they want more, well, then you're jumping into what?
You're jumping into a Subaru
or something like that, Maybe a WRX STI.
Well, not everybody wants an all wheel drive platform.
- Another car that will be announced shortly.
- So, what are you looking for?
Well, the next up is a Supra.
I mean, as a newer sports car platform,
that's all you got at the 50k mark.
And soon you start jumping up into crazy numbers.
This is a real cool middle ground
where if the price stays right in between,
you're gonna find a lot of really happy,
I think enthusiasts at 40 grand
that are gonna say, "No, I don't want a BRZ
and no, I don't have the money for a brand new Supra,
but I do have money for a manual 400 horsepower."
- But that's all this speculation there.
There has been no factual information on price.
We could be talking out of our asses right now.
This could be a 50k car for all we know.
- Which it probably will be.
- But we don't know 100%.
If they can swoop in and be 10k less than a Supra,
come with all this, I see it completely taking over.
I see this being the car
all enthusiasts strive for and go for.
But it's gonna depend on, still,
that blue interior is still messing me up.
- And one last thing to add on to this.
I think the reason that I am saying,
I feel like this is gonna come in at around that mark
is because they're recycling so much on this car already.
A lot of it, they make it sound new,
but it's really not new.
I mean, the chassis design is slightly different,
but it's the same chassis they've been using for how long?
The motor, transplanted, the brakes probably transplanted,
the rotors, probably trans...
A lot of this stuff is gonna be transplanted.
What makes it so incredible
is the fact that they essentially
paid a little bit of respect to the old Z's.
They brought it into a slightly smaller platform,
changed the windshield, wind wipers, all the crap,
the six-speed in there, and then they're like,
"Here's a 40k car, go nuts."
- See, and that's why so many people were upset
with the super in borrowing parts from BMW.
But I was so happy about it
because that's what got me into my dream car
was because they borrowed parts.
If Toyota would have designed everything from scratch
for this new mk5 Supra, that would have been a 70k car.
And it would've been in GTR territory.
Yeah, and I never would have owned it.
I wouldn't have had it at this point.
- I will happily take any collaborated car.
If that means that we can get enthusiast oriented vehicles
in 2022 with everything going on,
with everyone going to EV
and everything going to SUV's,
to just see something come out of Nissan, specifically,
that just makes me happy.
- That is the truth.
And I think that summed it all up perfectly.
The last thing is, would you say it's a cop or drop?
Let's say it comes in at 45k to play both ranges.
Are you saying go out and get it
or are you saying let's wait.
Let's wait a little bit, let's see how it does,
let's see what the aftermarket reliability is.
Or do you think they just hit it out of the park
and this is a go buy it right now car.
- I think, I have two sentences
after I say what I think, is that fair?
- Yes. - I say cop.
And the reason I say cop
is because the people that will be jumping into this car
are gonna be the ones that are gonna fix
anything that's wrong with that motor
to give it crazy power, just like they did with the Supra.
I don't think there's gonna be a change
in who modifies this.
People were modifying Supras last year.
They're gonna be modifying the Z's this year, 100%.
- Well, I can't wait to see it on coil-overs
or air or any type of wheels.
I know artists that just did the rendering
of some Elders on it and I thought it looked insane.
I'm so excited to see the aftermarket parts for this thing
start rolling out and people modifying them,
but don't forget wheels, tire suspension.
- Are you gonna cop it or drop it?
- Fitmentindustries.com
I didn't want to give my answer
'cause I feel like I get killed.
- Do it as a Supra owner. - 100% cop.
Fun fact, I tried as hard as I could to pre-order this car
and I was talking with local dealerships
and they're like, "No, we got nothing, we have no idea.
This could be released in 2025, we're really not sure."
And I was like, "Okay, well I literally can't wait."
And I went and bought a Supra.
A week after I bought my Supra, the dealership emailed me.
"Hey, we're getting ready to start taking pre-orders."
I'm like, "You gotta be shitting me."
- I watched this last night
and the moment that it finished up,
I sent an email to the guy that you forwarded me
about this and said, "Yup, still interested, let me know."
Let us know what you guys think about the Z
in the comment section below.
And of course, if you guys want us to touch
on some of the newer vehicles that are coming out
with some of the releases
and you'd like to see more videos like this, let us know.
Of course, wheels, tires, and suspension, like Dakota said,
fitmentindustries.com.
I'm so excited.
- I still love my Supra, I hope people don't take that
as I regret my decision.
- You can only love one thing at a time.
- That's what the internet says.
- That is the car culture way.
You can only love one thing.
- Especially, yeah, no B58, only 2JZ.
They should have just put the 2JZ in the mk5.
(both laughing)