be released by the Las Vegas, Raiders and
from the moment and even before the moment and look I'm not
doing a Victory lap here, I'm just
reminding everyone of what
we said. Yeah sure
you said and I wrote about this
as it was starting to fall apart right?
Watch for them to bench, Derek Carr
because that will be the sign
that they're going to get rid of him
before the four.
3.4 million in guarantees shifts from injury
too full. Because if he gets injured in the last two games
and can't pass a physical
before February 15, all that money is guaranteed. They're on
the hook for it.
The moment they put him in bubble wrap and send him home.
Is the moment that they let us all know.
They were cutting him
on or before February 15. Not on head.
Can't please Raiders.
There's a small handful of teams capable of screwing, this
up historically. Now they got a couple of Patriots running
the show there now, so I doubt they're going to screw it up.
Gotta cut him today.
He's got to be off the roster today or the money vest tomorrow.
But you know, in the interim Chris had, I don't know whether
and and
I'm fascinated by this and nobody else may care. But me,
but it's my, it's my show. So I'm going to talk about it.
I don't know whether others in the media. Business
are either carrying water for the Raiders or have been for
the past several weeks, when they've been trying to scare up
a trade market and we know who they are,
are they just dumb?
Naive.
Do they not have the ability to see
what staring them right in the face? Are they hedging? Oh, you
never know. Maybe they will trade him. I don't want to be
wrong, I don't want to risk being wrong.
Oh, then I might be on freezing cold takes if I'm wrong. Oh no.
How will I ever survive? If I get called out by old takes
exposed, what will I ever do? If somebody makes fun of me for
being wrong,
so, I'm just not going to be
right or wrong. I'm gonna play both sides of it
and along the way I met make
Some of the people
I count on with the Raiders to give me information you know
because hey five minutes before an announcement of
a transaction is made why not tell the world about it and
create the impression I'm engaging in actual journalism
I'm probably going too far with this but my point is,
some folks have been all over the place on this and some
folks have actually been pushing the idea that he's
going to be traded. He was never going to be traded ever
ever going to be traded. And at one point
I mean it was so strong. I made me think am I the one who's
missing something here? Of course, they're In this guy
then I'll kind of like 40 point four million vest. They're not
going to do it. No I mean
Mike I think you've been all over it from the get-go
and I will say like I thought maybe there'd be a chance they
trade them just for these two reasons, right? I mean I'm with
you, I didn't really think it would happen
but I thought like maybe there was two things that could maybe
give it a slight chance. One being wait. Maybe he won't find
the same money on the open market
and I think, Way we're looking right now. I would guess that
he and his representation know they're going to make every bit
the same money if not more.
So that's why they're saying, you know, we're not going to
accept a trade or anything like that. The other thing I thought
to is, you know,
maybe some team does
step up and trade for them
because they just don't want them to hit the free market and
they go well, we, you know, there's not that many there's
not that many options out there. We like, we actually
like you. So let's make that work, right? And so I don't
have Have to
bid against another team or I can just have that, you know,
a little cozy, feeling of your mind and you're not a free
agent visiting, a bunch of other teams. Those were two
things I, at least looked at to go, well, maybe
maybe there's a team that just goes way we want them and we'll
do it, and it worked for Derek card made sense or him. But as
we're seeing, I don't think that really
has presented itself. And, you know, I think that time has
come and gone.
But see, I talked to enough people. Yeah. In the know.
Yeah. Realize the car and his Camp was well aware of
the reality, right? That if there is some team out there that
would pay more,
okay? I'll just go be a free agent. Yeah. I have all
the controls right. No trade clause. Yeah right you know my
first thought was when this when this initially came up
oh boy.
Mark Davis. The owner of the team is going to have to take
a chance for a month that they work out a deal.
And the team doesn't renege on the deal.
IE doesn't do to Josh McDaniels with Josh, McDaniels did to
the Colts five years ago, the exact same situation, right?
Non-binding agreement that you can walk away from it any time
without consequence other than to your reputation.
Some other team could have done that to them.
Even if they'd managed to convince Derek Carr to go along
with it. But then the issue became convincing him to go
along with it. And the one time in the past couple of weeks
where I thought, you know what, maybe they're crazy enough to
just pick up the 40. Point four million and trade him later.
Maybe they think the market is going to be robust enough that
they can wait
a while longer, right? Was when the report emerged that
the Raiders had yet to give Derek Carr, the ability to talk to
other teams because it's like, you either have a plan or
you're dumb
and I think they were just being dumb. They're being
stubborn. My understanding was, and I was told by someone in
the know, at the time, they just want to control
the process, they're obsessed with controlling the process, that's
what the Patriots, the new ones on the
right. Spective of the folks in charge of it, we control
the process. And I think they realized too late that their
only chance and we reported this last week after the Saints
visit, because then there was one last chance. It was a
moment and training to the Saints for a third-round pick.
No no no, no, no, no, no, it's too late, it's too late. If you
were ever going to trade this guy,
if you're ever going to convince him to go along with
the trade the moment, the season ended. That's when you
say to him Derek Carr you go meet with everyone, you want to
go meet with, go meet with any team. You want to meet with and
You work your deal and you bring it back to us and will
trade you that team but see here's the problem.
It just makes it more obvious. That why would I do that?
Why would it? If there's any team out there that is going to
pay me 40 point four million fully guaranteed between my
salary this year and into next year and give you something
like a third-round pick. Yeah.
If I'm a free agent they're going to pay me more.
They would pay me more. That third round pick has a cash value
so even if we split the difference
I get Point four plus half the cash value of a third-round
pick. Good works for me. It's better for me. And maybe he
does something like DeShaun Watson. Did maybe they work out
some sort of a thing where there's four teams
and they play it. Just right? And one of them freaks out and
offer them. A five-year fully guaranteed contract because
they pissed off their current quarterback along the way, you
know, what's gonna happen. It's always better to be a free
agent. Then you get traded. It's always been
somebody suggested at some point. I can't remember who it
was. I don't know that, but the boy you knew I was just
somebody said, let me, let me just add this. One point
somebody suggested that Derek Carr wants to be traded because
it
he'll save face, if he's traded, then if he's got what
he's stupid, he's stupid. If he wants to be trade instead of
being cut, he's stupid. If he treats that as any type of a
knock-on on his body of work, oh, I got cut.
I wasn't traded. It's always better as a player. It's always
better to be cut, then to be traded because if you're cut
that team, that was going to trade for you
is going to be the first team.
Table along with maybe some others. Yeah. Agreed.
Agreed my. But I also think like to the example you're
explaining is probably why they didn't just full-fledged say,
hey, go find it, maybe they were waiting for kind of what
you're talking about.
Maybe we can get two or three teams that are interested in
them and we can actually get something for the guy, but at
the end of the day, you're right. It's still those up to
Derek Carr. He had all. I mean if he doesn't want to play for
a team,
he's the quarterback. Nobody's gonna want to trade for him. So
he does have all the power comes on to beat. Traded right?
I just want to be trading. Sure, not waiving my no-trade
Clause. Hey, hey, Raiders.
I'm telling you, I have all the power. I'm going to refuse to
waive, this no-trade clause, and you have to guarantee me,
40 point four million and then
F around and find out see what happens. And Mark Davis wasn't
going to do that. That was the key. He's not paying this guy,
another penny.
So the order from on high has been all along.
If we don't trade this guy,
he's cut as a February 15 and maybe all of this is just
window dressing. So Dave
Josh, McDaniels can say to Mark Davis at least we tried,
we tried, we weren't able to do it. I'm sure. Thank ya. The
chord we at least try oh I'm sure they tried. I mean,
you know again Dave Ziegler McDaniels I mean you know,
not saying they're perfect here but I think we would both
agree. They're pretty smart guys. And like you said,
they've been from New England. They know how the world works
there.
I would imagine that's what they've been doing trying,
you know, kind of late in the we'd seen as maybe some teams
will come to them a little bit. And And create a market, you
know?
But but, you know, at the end of the day and I know you
explained it, right? And I don't know if their approach
was exactly right. I don't know if their approach really
mattered to what you're saying,
I think this is one where Derek Carr
and I'm sure his Camp realized, wait,
you know, there's more money to be had out there. As far as
you know, hey, you can make 40 million and we could probably
guarantee more money on top of that.
Let alone. Hey, we can make this work and, you know, you're
a free agent.
Jen to where the team you go to, doesn't have to trade away
an asset that will help you succeed. Maybe your new team
to get you. So I think when it's all, you know, all said
and done. Yeah, I'm with you. He's going to get cut today and
it just seems like as of right now, I mean, the Saints are
definitely the team that's in the leader house, right? Mike,
as far as the team, you hear the most? I'd I feel
you know again some of this market and
and wanting forever.
Derek Carr. I don't think it's going to be maybe quite where
he wants a quite yet. Because we got to wait for, you know,
you know, one of the all-time greats to get out of a dark
room for the next few days. And I think then starts some things
might start to fall in place here.
Well, two points there, first of all,
and you always try to connect dots where the relationships
are. We assume that past working relationship, always
means that there will be interest in a future working
relationship. Sometimes, isn't anyone else that I know who
have
been there done that, no interest in doing it again,
the Commander's who's defensive coordinators Jack Del Rio. Who
was the head coach during Derek Cars best season of 2016 when
he was an MVP candidate, they made it clear as We Know
Last week when we met with Ron Rivera on Wednesday,
they're going with Sam, how they're not jumping into the go
sign and expensive veteran quarterback thing
and now Todd Downing who was the quarterbacks coach
during the best? Two years of Derek Cars career 2016 most
particularly when he was an MVP candidate, 2017 was Del Rio's.
Last year,
with the Raiders
down. He was the offensive coordinator That season. He is
now the passing game coordinator of the Jets, and if
that name sounds familiar, He's the guy who
was arrested for DUI
on the drive home after
the Titans beat the Packers in November, the Titans didn't win
another game all year, after that, and he was then relieved
of his duties at the end of the season, but he's now
the passing game coordinator is at the Jets. So
you've got relationship there between Downing and car, Chris,
and the names we've heard all along for the Jets,
as veteran quarterbacks go
Rogers car. Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah, I know. They got
relationships. Everybody Nathaniel hack at the Rogers.
Counting to car, solid. A Garoppolo, it'll be
interesting. There going to be a player. We know that. I mean,
they haven't hid from that, you know,
headline at all as far as Woody Johnson them.
The coaches there, there, there in the market for one of these
quarterbacks and we'll see the Rogers thing. Of course, is
interesting,
but I know, you know, up here.
Hey yeah, I think Rogers is the number one target. I get a feel
here in the New York area that people would be very happy. But
Jimmy Garoppolo, I mean, This Derek Carr
I do. I get the sense that a lot of people like, okay, we
can ride with Derek hard and go from there
as II could see that certainly. You know, it's an interesting
discussion decision. Garoppolo did Play Good before he got
hurt this year,
right? I mean he's been a part of a Super Bowl football team
and once in playoff games I don't think ultimately his
talent is as good as Derek Carr.
Derek Cars, pretty good athlete. Pretty good arm.
He didn't play great this year.
Here. But we've seen them play. Damn good football and I would
think he's definitely on that Jets radar. Big time.
Well, when Aaron Rodgers emerges from voluntary solitary
confinement later this week.
If he doesn't want to play for the Packers, but does still
want to play. It looks like Jets and Raiders of the two
options and there's at least some familiarity with the Jets
with Nathaniel Howe. Yeah. Right. See, I'm almost
surprised
he didn't go into the darkroom
on Sunday so he wouldn't have to watch the Super Bowl and
witness Patrick Mahomes. Pass him in the pantheon of all time
greats, he wasn't ahead of him already Pat Mahomes. Is now.
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