>>> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE RUSSIANS INTERFERED IN THE 2016
CAMPAIGN?
CAMPAIGN? ELECTION?
ELECTION? >> WELL, THEY MEDDLED.
BUT I THINK CHINA MEDDLED, TOO.
>> WHY DO YOU SAY CHINA MEDDLED,
TOO?
TOO? WHY DON’T YOU JUST SAY THE
RUSSIANS MEDDLED?
RUSSIANS MEDDLED? >> BECAUSE I THINK CHINA MEDDLED
ALSO.
ALSO. I THINK FRANKLY CHINA --
>> THIS IS AMAZING.
YOU’RE DIVERTING THE WHOLE
RUSSIAN --
RUSSIAN -- >> I’M NOT DOING ANYTHING.
I’M SAYING RUSSIA, BUT I’M ALSO
SAYING CHINA.
SAYING CHINA. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP TELLING "60
MINUTES" CHINA IS A BIGGER
PROBLEM THAN RUSSIA WHEN IT
COMES TO ELECTION MEDDLING.
IN FACT, BLAMING CHINA IS THE
NEW THING THAT MEMBERS OF THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ARE DOING
FROM THE PRESIDENT ON DOWN.
THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF TALKING
ABOUT IT AT THE U.N. AND ON
OCTOBER 4th, MIKE PENCE SAID
CHINA IS INTERVIEWING IN U.S.
POLITICS TO UNDERMINE PRESIDENT
TRUMP.
TRUMP. IN A SPEECH AT THE HUDSON
INSTITUTE, PENCE SAID AN
INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL TOLD HIM
THAT RUSSIA’S INFLUENCE CAMPAIGN
PALES IN COMPARISON TO WHAT
CHINA IS DOING ACROSS AMERICA.
CHINA HAS FORCEFULLY DENIED
ACCUSATIONS OF ELECTION
MEDDLING.
MEDDLING. SUNDAY, THEIR AMBASSADOR TO THE
U.N. APPEARED ON THE PRESIDENT’S
FAVORITE NEWS NETWORK TO RESPOND
TO PENCE.
TO PENCE. >> I HAVE TO SAY ALL THESE
ACCUSATIONS ARE SCANDALOUS.
ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL
PRINCIPLES IN CHINA’S FOREIGN
POLICY IS NON-INTERFERENCE IN
THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER
COUNTRIES.
COUNTRIES. AND WE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT IN
THIS POSITION.
THIS POSITION. WE HAVE A VERY GOOD TRACK
RECORD.
RECORD. >> LET’S TALK ABOUT THIS WITH A
SMART FRIEND OF OURS, WHO IS IN
THIS PART OF THE WORLD WITH US
TO TALK ABOUT IT IS JEREMY BASH,
FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE CIA
AND THE PENTAGON.
JEREMY, IF YOU WOULDN’T MIND
STARTING US OFF WITH A FACT
CHECK.
CHECK. DOES CHINESE MEDDLING EQUAL OR
EXCEED IN TERMS OF A CLEAR AND
PRESENT DANGER WHAT THE RUSSIANS
HAVE ALREADY DONE TO OUR
ELECTIONS?
ELECTIONS? >> NO.
>> NO. I MEAN, BRIAN, CHINA IS A
SOPHISTICATED CYBER ACTOR.
THEY DO ENGAGE IN HACKING AND
THEFT AND ESPIONAGE.
BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE’S NO
EVIDENCE TO DATE THAT THEY HAVE
ENGAGED IN THE KIND OF
PROPAGANDA OR POLITICAL WARFARE
TO TRY TO TIP THE SCALES OF AN
ELECTION IN THE WAY RUSSIA DID
IN 2016.
IN 2016. THE FACT THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT
SAID AN INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL
TOLD HIM SO, THAT’S NOT THE WAY
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY
WORKS.
WORKS. THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY
DOESN’T WORK BY HAVING SOME
INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL COME
FORWARD AND WHISPER SOMETHING.
THE COMMUNITY WORKS BY GIVING
SPECIFIC INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY
ASSESSMENT
ASSESSMENT ASSESSMENTS, AND THROUGH FORMAL
DECLARATIONS AND ASSESSMENT.
>> BECAUSE SOME TALKING POINTS
CAN HAVE THE SLIGHTEST
UNDERPINNINGS, I WANT TO SHOW
YOU WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID ON
TWITTER AND WHAT HE WAS
REMARKING ABOUT.
REMARKING ABOUT. THIS IS SEPTEMBER 26th.
REGRETTABLY, WE HAVE FOUND THAT
CHINA HAS BEEN ATTEMPTING TO
INTERFERE IN OUR UPCOMING 2018
ELECTION AGAINST MY
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. THIS IS -- I’M SORRY, I WAS
READING THE WRONG THING.
CHINA IS PLACING PLOP GANDROPAGA
IN "THE DES MOINES REGISTER" AND
OTHER PAPERS MADE TO LOOK LIKE
NEWS.
NEWS. THAT’S BECAUSE WE ARE BEATING
THEM ON TRADE, OPENING MARKETS,
AND THE FARMERS WILL MAKE A
FORTUNE WHEN THIS IS OVER.
JEREMY, HE WAS SO ALARMED AT
THIS INSERT.
THIS INSERT. FOR YEARS, OVERSEAS GOVERNMENTS
HAVE PURCHASE INSERTS, SECTIONS
OF NEWSPAPERS, SOMETIMES TRYING
TO MAKE THE EDITORIAL AND THE
GRAPHICS LOOK LIKE IT’S A NEWS
PRODUCT.
PRODUCT. BUT THIS HAS GONE ON FOR A LONG
TIME.
TIME. BECAUSE SOMEONE BROUGHT IT TO
HIS ATTENTION, LESSER THINGS
HAVE TALKING POINTS BEEN PINNED
ON IS WHAT I’M SAYING.
>> YEAH, ANYBODY WHO HAS READ A
NEWSPAPER CAN SAY IT SAYS
SPECIAL ADVERTISING SECTION.
THOSE ARE USUALLY 3,000 WORD
ESSAYS ABOUT HOW GREAT IT IS TO
INVEST IN THAILAND OR HOW
IMPORTANT BRAZIL IS TO THE
WESTERN HEMISPHERE’S ECONOMY.
THESE ARE EFFORTS BY PR FIRMS TO
PROMOTE THE INTERESTS OF FOREIGN
GOVERNMENTS.
GOVERNMENTS. THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
THAT’S ALL TOGETHER DIFFERENT
THAN RUSSIA ENGAGING IN FALSE
PERSONAS AND HACKING, MEDDLING,
IN CREATING FAKE ACCOUNTS AND
ENGAGING IN SOCIAL MEDIA, WITH