British conservative talk radio
host Mike Graham brought on
a climate activist to discuss
recent protests that shut down
British roadways.
Now, the host here thought that he
was going to pull a fast
one on the climate activist but
it didn't work out so well.
Let's watch.
>> Morning Mike.
>> I want to know what you glued to
Cameron >> Just to your screen,
unfortunately >> Unfortunately,
what do you do for a living Cameron
>> I'm a carpenter >> A carpenter,
right, so how safe is that for
the climate?
>> While I work with timber,
which is a much more sustainable
material rather than concrete.
I also work with,
>> Do you work with trees that
have been cut down then, don't you?
>> It's a sustainable building
practice.
>> How is it sustainable if you're
killing trees?
>> Because it's regenerative,
you can grow trees.
>> Right, well, you can you can
grow all sorts of things,
can't you?
>> Well, you can't go concrete.
>> You can?
See you Cameron, Cheerio.
That was Cameron,
he grows trees and
then cuts them down and
then makes things from them,
brilliant, marvelous.
I don't think I ever want to talk
to any of those people.
[LAUGH] >> That was amazing.
No, I mean, look,
the British have a classier way of
embarrassing themselves, right?
>> [LAUGH] Congratulations to them.
>> But you're still
embarrassing yourself, and I love
the way Cameron the carpenter.
Cameron the the carpenter even if I
know nothing about him other than
his name and that he's a carpenter.
I already love him.
But my favourite part was when
the radio host is, yeah, you can.
You can grow concrete.
And he's just like, I'm not even
going to entertain them.
I'm not going to answer it.
Yeah, that's what made it so
wonderfully awkward.
>> It's so good. >> When he just
looked at him like,
>> Look at his face.
>> If you say so, brother,
it's your funeral.
Keep going if you like.
So the host said at the end,
I don't even want to talk to these
people.
Then why'd you bring him on?
He was your guest.
And if you're wondering who sort of
the hostilities,
that was a whole interview,
by the way, was under a minute.
You're not missing anything.
We didn't cut it out.
It's not edited, okay?
And he said in the beginning,
what do you glue to now?
because climate protesters in
the UK are gluing themselves to
the road sometimes and
other things to block the highways
etc to make a point.
And so that's why he started out by
attacking him and that's
what the Cameron the carpenter was,
to your set, unfortunately.
And then the guy takes offense,
what are you taking offense for?
You're the one who
started to fight.
And that's true conservatives
everywhere.
They'll start a fight and
then the minute you push back
a little bit, they're, I'm victim,
I'm the victim.
Well grow some concrete
in some balls and, [LAUGH] actually
have a logical argument.
But isn't it interesting guys that
all across the world conservative
are all over the media.
Because corporations that have
a lot of money wind up putting a
lot of conservatives on air to tell
you how great corporations are.
>> Yeah, so
I'm actually really grateful for
that exchange.
Not only because it was
entertaining and fun to watch, but
because I don't know everything.
So, I actually had never thought
about sustainable materials for
building, right?
Of course,
I've thought about it but
not in this context.
And so I think that for people
who don't want to research it and
you just ask them what's the best
way to build buildings or whatever,
I get it the idea
of cutting down trees might seem
counterintuitive to people.
So this exchange made me want to
look into it more.
I'm, timber he says he uses timber,
I want to know if that's really
a more sustainable material.
So let me give you the details of
what we learned, okay?
So, concrete actually is not the
most sustainable material to use.
By the way, after the exchange
the host posted this.
Living concrete made from bacteria
used to create replicating bricks.
>> Yeah, happens all the time.
>> Yeah, all the time,
totally, yeah.
>> [LAUGH] That's how most concrete
is made, yeah.
>> And can I just say real quick,
he's the host is the one who put up
the clip in the first place
thinking he got Cameron and when he
was shocked to find out the rest of
the world was, you fool.
So he's, yeah you could go concrete
with bacteria.
>> Yeah, but that's not usually the
concrete that's being used for
building materials, right? So,
here's how concrete is
really made. And again, I had never
thought about this before.
So if you don't know this stuff,
it's okay to admit it, just don't
be a pompous moron like that guy.
Concrete is a mixture of two
components, aggregate and paste.
The paste
is made up of portland cement and
water, which then binds with sand,
gravel, or crushed stone, okay?
So that's not a renewable thing,
right?
So that's why it's not as
sustainable as timber.
Now, what's up timber, right?
>> What's up with timber?
>> What is up with timber?
Well, though wood is versatile,
organic, and it is renewable,
yes it's regenerative as mentioned
by Cameron in that interview.
Also a new way of using wood
has put the material back in
the spotlight.
The hype is focused
on structural timber or as it's
more popularly known mass timber,
short for massive timber.
In a nutshell it involves sticking
pieces of softwood generally for
wood like pine, spruce, or fir, but
also species such as birch, ash, or
beech together to form larger
pieces.
And so it's just really interesting
because not only is it more
sustainable, but combining those
types of woods happens to make the
structure stronger and more sound.
So I thought that was really
fascinating stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So we'll look, I'm
familiar with massive timber.
>> Were you? >> Okay, but
at I should have known that you,
>> Unbearable.
>> [LAUGH] I should have known that
were going to love this story, not
just for the own, but for the wood.
>> Totally. >> Because Craig and
I were joking around before
the show, we have a new wooden
thing out there, bench or whatever.
I'm Ana build it because
you love woodwork, right?
So, but I want to say one last
thing about the interview.
Look, British it feels like their
average bloke is a little bit
smarter than ours here in America.
[LAUGH] Okay,
it's probably not the case but,
>> I think it's probably the case.
>> But it feels that way now.
It mainly,
it's a comment about America than
it is more about the UK.
But the point is that,
he underestimated him.
He thought, I'm such a clever talk
show host and I'm going to bring on
this average guy, and
I'm going to steamroll him.
Well no, you're not anywhere near
as smart as you thought you were,
and don't underestimate carpenters
>> Yes >> To other carpenters
actually now three,
you're kind of a carpenter.
>> I am not,
I would never dare take on that
label >> Okay, I don't deserve it.
>> Okay, fair enough,
she's an amateur carpenter.
>> I'm an amateur, yes.
>> Okay, but there are two
professional carpenters that were
also underestimated, one of them is
Bernie Sanders who was a carpenter
earlier in his life and
the other is a guy named Jesus.
[LAUGH] Okay, and he seemed to
change the world a little bit and
he was also underestimated.
>> Yep