How did you learn that she had gone missing?
How did you get that information?
I received the phone call at 9:35 am from Zac
and his response was "Lindsay, Karlie's gone."
My heart sunk.
I was, "What do you mean she's gone?
"What led up to this?
"Where was she?
"Who was she with?"
Question after question.
And his response was, "I don't know, she's just gone.
"She went to a party with some friends and Melissa went
"and picked her up and from there we got her home,
"tried to settle her down,
"and after that she, up and down through the night."
Those were stories I got.
Uh huh.
And are you paraphrasing or was that exactly
what he said when you picked up the phone?
When I picked up the phone? Yeah, when he called you.
Is that exactly what he said?
We had a couple different phone calls within like
30 minute time-- Did he say, "She's gone?"
He said she was gone, yes.
Those were the words that he used?
And it stuck out just like a sore thumb.
Huh.
"Gone."
Mhm.
And at that point, what did you think gone meant?
Dead, I mean, that's a big word.
Gone is, you know, you can't mess with gone.
It's either they're gone for good, or they're, you know,
it just didn't sit right--
He didn't say she's missing, he said, "She's gone."
Yeah.
Mhm.
Um, why do you believe that Zac and Melissa aren't telling
the full truth here?
Because he was intoxicated to start with.
He let us know when we arrived nine hours after
Karlie went missing that he had been drinking
the night before and he told us in the beginning
that he was kind of in and out of sleeping,
so, he wasn't awake according to my
story that I received from him.
But,
being in, listen, I'm not trying to excuse anything.
I don't drink at all.
I haven't had a drink since high school,
I just don't drink, but being drunk on a Friday night
and being involved in the disappearance of your daughter
are two vastly different things.
So the fact that he may have been drinking
or even falling down, staggering drunk,
which nobody said he was, but even if that was the case,
that's a long way in being involved in the disappearance
of your daughter. Right.
So how do those two connect up?
I mean, what makes you think they have something either
to do with the disappearance or know more about
the disappearance than they do?
I think that the audio that I heard about
was really bizarre. Uh huh.
And I asked them, I said, "What is this audio about?"
And I didn't want to hear the audio for the first,
you know, few minutes after getting there
and Melissa saying, "I have this audio."
And I said, "What audio?"
And she said, "Well I audioed Karlie of her behavior."
And I said, "Well why did you do that?"
And she said, "I wanted to show her how she was acting
"the next morning."
And I said, "Okay, so, so audio her?"
I didn't understand that, so that was kind of
another red flag.
And did you hear the audio?
I heard part of it.
Okay, and in the part of it you heard,
was there anything significant that stuck out to you?
Uh, she had asked them to call 911.
Okay.
She asked them to call 911?
The specific details in the audio were,
she had cried out to Melissa.
She had called out for my name, actually,
and she said, "Mom," and Melissa goes,
"I'm Melissa, silly," and she goes, "I'm sorry.
"I'm just really, really scared." (sniffs)
(sobbing)
And I, I...
At that point, I figured, you know, what is she scared of,
'cause what is so scary that this little girl's
asking to call 911, and you're telling her no,
and so when Karlie said, "Can you call 911?"
Melissa said, "Yes."
There was a part where she said yes,
and then there was a distant pause,
and Karlie said, "Are you gonna call 911?"
And Melissa said, "No," and she goes, "Well why not?"
And she goes, "There's nothing wrong."