CNN recently spoke to
about two dozen House
Republican members of the so-called MAGA
wing of the party.
They said they're not ready yet
to endorse
the former president's candidacy.
That is, despite intense lobbying
by his allies, a top concern.
This is his electability.
One House Republican
who is still firmly in
his camp is Congresswoman
Marjorie Taylor Greene.
On Tuesday, during a meeting,
the Republicans
Election Integrity Caucus,
she was back to pushing
false, baseless claims
that the election was stolen,
this time in the face
literally of one of the top
election officials in her state, Georgia.
Gabriel Sterling,
who has bravely resisted immense pressure
to overturn the election there.
Here's how that went down.
Gabe, I do not consider you an expert
on this issue.
As a matter of fact,
consider your major problem
for you to say
there were no dead voters in Georgia
and that there was
there was
thousands of dead voters in Georgia.
And then
and then the other thing is
you have constantly showed
up for this election.
And I'm going to tell you,
if there was blatant outright fraud
in the 20, 20 election,
complete and total fraud, you know,
you absolutely do.
Now, I'm
going to follow up on one more thing.
Trump won Georgia
I know you don't like for me to say that,
but I am convinced that he did
for the French.
She's convinced
for the record
that the former
president lost
Georgia by 11,779 votes in a state run
by Republicans.
There have been multiple recounts, as Mr.
Sterling indicated there.
There were not thousands of dead
voters in Georgia.
Officials have only found
four such cases to date
Gabriel Sterling joins us now.
Despite a lot of talk
a few months ago about Marjorie Taylor
Greene modifying her more
loony positions here,
she was saying this stuff to your face
for which
she has no evidence whatsoever
and a body of counter evidence
that is factual.
As a loyal Republican,
does it concern you
that a member of the House
election Integrity Caucus,
no less,
is perpetuating these lies still?
Well, it's interesting
because we had sort of the meeting.
She came in late.
She purposely sat next to me
because she wanted
to get her social media hit, of course.
And then as soon as she was done,
she left.
You know, we did
we learned about the hard work
of talking about
how we really fix elections
and following up.
Secretary Raffensperger
sent a letter to Congress
outlining five things
that they could do at the federal level.
There is an issue
among millions of voters
who have their leadership
telling information.
They want to believe it
because it fits
with what they want to believe
despite the evidence.
And they're not bad people.
But we have to make them believe it.
In Georgia, in 20, 22, we did
that was wild to me as it is.
20, 20.
And she's still talking about 20, 20.
She won both of her elections
in 20, 20 and 2022.
I don't think she's
questioning those outcomes.
We had huge wins Republican for 20, 22
and except
one thing we lost was
was the Senate race with Herschel Walker
and we also lost the 2020 races
for Senate
with our Senators Perdue and Loeffler.
And the areas of the state
that were most affected
by Republicans dropped off
because they were told the election,
the election was stolen
and their votes didn't count.
Was Marjorie Taylor
Greene Greene's district
in northwest Georgia
and southwest Georgia.
And I mean
there were a lot of Republican Georgia
who voted for other Republican candidates
but just decided not to vote for
the former president
There
was about 28,000 people
to skip the election altogether.
There was about 19,000
people who voted for Senator Perdue
in the Metro Metro eight counties and
Clark County and Oconee County
over and above what
President Trump got to make.
That's a margin by itself.
I mean, you'd be amazed
that maybe people wouldn't,
but the problem is for people
who are very hardcore
in their beliefs on Trump,
they can't understand
why anybody who would be Republican,
whatever, vote against them
in a large part
of that comes from years of the left.
And in some cases the media
beating them down.
And they saw that
the Russian collusion things
and that kind of stuff
was unfair to Trump.
So they feel like if we're unfair
now, it's tit for tat.
That's even
the Republicans
should be the responsible party.
We should be the adults in the room.
We should tell the truth.
We should be raffensperger
responsible Republicans
and as do our jobs and be my entire life
Republicans for the responsible party
and didn't do enough justify the means
people like MS.
Greene or don't agree
is reasons justify the means
the other side does crazy stuff
and I raise money.
I'm going to do more
crazy stuff,
even crazier stuff, and raise
even more money.
And the problem is
the incentives are bad.
She has 2 million Twitter followers.
Yeah, I'm sure I'm part of her
raising email
well, there's no doubt about that.
What is so telling, though, and I'm
so glad you pointed out
that she came in late
and then after she did
her performative thing
consciously sitting next to you,
that she left afterward
and you and the others
continued to actually do work.
It says so much about the way
she views her role
as a public official
I mean, she's
not there to pass legislation.
She's not there to sit in boring meetings
and go into the minutia of election
integrity
like you do day
in and day out and bravely.
So
she's there to get the the,
you know, the media attention
and and then walk out
that bravely.
So it's kind of like
election is supposed to be boring.
And when you're in that meeting
for an hour
and a half, the vast majority of
it was boring.
It was about voter list maintenance.
When do you have certification deadlines?
How do you have a top down
or bottom up
registration, none of which are detail
she wants to pay attention to
or think about
because it doesn't fit
what she's trying to do, which is
just raise money
and part.
Yes.
And, you know,
she I've gotten a lot of flak
from some people
for not pushing back on her
and praised Mother for my restraint,
pushing back on her in that kind of form,
which I did a couple of things
I mentioned before voters.
But you know what?
She's going to do her thing.
I'm going to say he respectfully listens.
She is an elected representative.
She has the right to do that.
But just because
to have the right to do something
doesn't mean
you necessarily ought to do it that way.
Yeah, it's a cheap stunt and unfair
give her certainly.
I really appreciate your time tonight.
Thank you.