MY NEXT GUEST IS THE ANCHOR OF CNN INTERNATIONAL'S
"AMANPOUR," AND THE NEW PBS SERIES, "AMANPOUR & COMPANY."
PLEASE WELCOME CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR!
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>> Stephen: HELLO!
>> HI, STEPHEN.
>> Stephen: ALWAYS LOVELY TO SEE YOU.
>> LOVELY IT SEE YOU.
>> Stephen: IT'S BEEN TO GO.
YOU HAVE SO MANY THINGS.
YOU'RE CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: YOU HAVE 11 EMOS, FOUR PEABODYS.
YOU'RE A COMMANDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE.
DAMN!
AND-- THIS IS THE BIGGIE-- YOU WERE JUST INDUCTED INTO THE
BROADCASBROADCASTING AND CABLE H FAME LAST WEEK.
>> YES, I WAS, THANK YOU!
>> Stephen: THAT'S WONDERFUL.
>> THANK YOU!
( APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: NOW, LET'S GETS RIGHT TO THE STORY OF THE PRESS
BEING IN THE NEWS ITSELF.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: BECAUSE THREE OR FOUR PIPE BOMBS WENT TO VARIOUS
CNN HEADQUARTERS, OR WERE ADDRESSED TO THEM.
>> YUP.
>> Stephen: AND THERE'S BEEN A DISCUSSION ABOUT CALLS FOR
CIVILITY, AND YET THE PRESIDENT CONTINUES TO ATTACK WHAT HE
CALLS THE "FAKE NEWS MEDIA."
WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO "A," THE SORT OF FRIGHTENING IDEA OF
THESE PIPE BOMBS, AND THE PRESIDENT'S REACTION TO IT?
>> WELL, YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT WE'RE ALL REALLY, REALLY UPSET,
AND THERE HAS-- YOU KNOW, WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES, AND IT'S HAD
A CHILLING EFFECT.
AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY EXTRAORDINARY FOR ME AS SOMEBODY
WHO HAS BEEN TRAVELING THE WORLD AND SEEING THESE KINDS OF THINGS
HAPPEN TO JOURNALISTS IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD NOT THIS PART
OF THE WORLD TO FIND THIS IS COMING HOME.
ON THE ONE HAND WE ARE REALLY UPSET AND WE STAND VERY FIRM IN
DEFENDING OUR RIGHT TO EXIST AND THE TRUTH OF WHAT WE DO.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WANT TO NEUTRALIZE
THIS IDEA OF "ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE."
AND I REALLY JUST REALLY WANT TO SAY THAT I'M PROUDLY DECLARING
MYSELF TO BE THE B.F.F. OF THE PEOPLE.
WE ARE THE B.F.F.POSITIVE OF THE PEOPLE.
( APPLAUSE )
>> Stephen: I LIKE THAT.
>> WE ARE!
AND THAT IS-- THAT IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE.
AND WE SHOULD JUST SAY ENOUGH WITH THIS OTHER LANGUAGE.
WE KNOW WHO WE ARE, WHO WE SERVE-- WE'RE PUBLIC SERVANT--
AND WE'RE BEST FRIENDS TO ALL OF YOU BECAUSE WE GO OUT THERE AND,
YOU KNOW, GO TO ALL THE DANGEROUS PLACES AND TALK TO ALL
THE DANGEROUS PEOPLE AND BRING BACK THE TRUTH AND THE FACTS AND
THE EVIDENCE.
WHAT MORE FRIENDLY THING COULD WE DO?
( APPLAUSE )
AGREE.
WHAT-- WHAT-- WHEN YOU'RE OVERSEAS, WHAT IS THE
INTERNATIONAL MESSAGE BEING RECEIVED WHEN OUR PRESIDENT
ATTACKS THE UNITED STATES PRESS CORPS?
>> WELL, LOOK, IT OBVIOUSLY HAS, AS I SAID, A CHILLING EFFECT --
>> Stephen: CHILLING ON THE PRESS?
>> YES, ON THE PRESS, BUT MORE, I GUESS, ON THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD
DO HARM TO THE PRESS.
SO, YES, IT'S CHILLING FOR US BECAUSE IT CREATES A PERMISSIVE
ENVIRONMENT FOR OTHERS WHO ACTUALLY IT'S IN THEIR D.N.A. TO
BEAT UP ON THE PRESS.
IF YOU GO TO RUSSIA OR TURKEY OR SAUDI ARABIA OR MAN OF THESE
OTHER PLACES, THEY HAVE NO FIRST AMENDMENT.
THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS FOR THE PRESS.
THEY HAVE NO LOVE FOR A FREE, FAIR, AND INDEPENDENT PRESS.
SO THEY OFTEN ARE GRABBING JOURNALISTS, PUTTING THEM IN
JAIL, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEM IN KANGAROO COURTS, TRUMPED UP
CHARGES-- AND WORSE, AS WE'VE SEEN WITH JAMAL KHASHOGGI.
FOR ME, WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR COLLEAGUE FROM SAUDI ARABIA IN A
CONSULATE IN TURKEY, I MEAN, LET'S FACE IT-- HE WAS
DISMEMBERED FOR SIMPLY TELLING THE TRUTH-- THIS IS THE KIND OF
THING THAT WE CANNOT ALLOW TO KEEP HAPPENING.
AND WE MUSTN'T ALLOW THE LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD TO BE ABLE TO
CAFTA, SPERGZS AGAINST US.
BECAUSE AS I SAY, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE DO IS VITAL
TO OUR HEALTHY DEMOCRACY YOU.
>> Stephen: SAY IN YOUR NEW SHOW YOU WANT TO EXPLORE THE
WORLD AND AMERICA'S PLACE IN IT.
WHAT'S AMERICA'S PLACE IN THE WORLD NOW?
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO RETREAT THERE THE
WORLD STAGE.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: THAT WAS CERTAINLY THE LANGUAGE HE USED DURING THE
CAMPAIGN.
WHAT IS OUR PLACE?
>> LOOK AMERICA'S PLACE IN THE WORLD, HISTORICALLY, HAS BEEN TO
LEAD.
ALL THAT WE HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES, EUROPE, AND AROUND, THIS
SOLD LIBERAL WORLD ORDER, SINCE WORLD RAR TWO, IS THE GREAT
ECONOMY, THE GREAT ALLIANCES, THE GREAT SECURITY AND DEFENSE,
AND NOT TO MENTION MORAL LEADERSHIP AND THE REST OF IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT AMERICA GAVE THE WORLD.
AND NOW THE WORLD IS SAYING, "WELL, NOW YOU WANT TO RETREAT A
LITTLE BIT AND MAKE EVERYTHING MUCH MORE TRANSACTIONAL.
SO YOU'LL BE FRIENDS WITH US, IF WE, YOU KNOW, PAY YOU THIS OR IF
WE DO THIS IN TRADE OR IF WE-- IF WE-- IF WE."
YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE BARGAIN, THIS WHOLE TRANSACTION.
AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY-- WELL, IT'S NOT-- THE
UNDERPINNING OF ALLIANCES.
SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE TWO YEARS OF THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION IS NOT THAT WE FIND IT WEIRD IN THE USUAL
SUSPECT PLACES, BUT IT'S THE ALLIES, THE ALLIANCE OF THE
UNITED STATES THAT IS BEING SORT OF ASSAULTED.
IF YOU TALK TO ANY OF ANY STRIPE, FOREIGN POLICY ANALYST,
THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE MOST WORRIED ABOUT HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES IS BEATING UP ON OUR ALLIES.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A REALLY STRONG COUNTRY AND BE A REALLY STRONG,
YOU KNOW, POWER IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALLIANCE.
>> Stephen: THE WORLD IS GETTING DARK OUTSIDE AND YOU
NEED ALL THE FRIENDS YOU CAN GET.
>> AND REMEMBER CANADA, WHICH CONSTANTLY GETS BEATEN UP ON BY
THE PRESIDENT, ACTUALLY LOST HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF ITS OWN
SOLDIERS WHEN THEY CAME TO THE AMERICA RESCUE AFTER 9/11 AND
JOINED THE FIGHT AGAINST THE TALIBAN AND ALL THE REST OF IT
IN AFGHANISTAN.
>> Stephen: WELL, WE HAVE TO ATTACK A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK.
PLEASE DON'T GO AWAY.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR