UKRAINE AND PRESIDENT
ZELENSKYY'S MESSAGE TO THE
UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL,
HIS FIRST APPEARANCE THERE.
JOINING ME NOW, "NEW YORK TIMES"
CHIEF CORRESPONDENT, AND
POLITICAL ANALYST, PETER BAKER.
AND ALLEN COE, WHO SERVED AS THE
LEGAL ADVISER OF THE STATE
DEPARTMENT DURING THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION, AND ARGUED
AGAINST RUSSIA ON BEHALF OF
UKRAINE.
IT'S GOOD TO TALK TO YOU AGAIN.
I WANT TO START WITH YOUR
REACTION FROM WHAT WE HEARD FROM
PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY, AND OUR
U.N. AMBASSADOR AT THE UNITED
NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL TODAY.
>> WELL, WE HEARD A
CHARACTERIZATION AND A RESPONSE.
AND JOURNALISTS LIKE YOURSELF
AND PETER, WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH
MANY OF THE TRAGEDIES, KNOW THAT
DIFFERENT CONFLICTS AND CHAINS
OF ATROCITY START TO DEVELOP AN INTERESTING CHARACTER.
INTERESTING CHARACTER.
SO, IN BOSNIA YOU HADDETTE ETHNI
CLEANSING.
IN EAST TIMOR, YOU HAD SCORCHED
EARTH.
HERE, IS A POTATTERN OF WAR CRIM
AS A TOOL OF NAKED AGGRESSION.
AND WE'RE SEEING TWO KINDS OF
PATTERNS OF ACTIVITY.
INDISCRIMINATE SHELLING OF
CIVILIAN TARGETS THAT ARE MARKED
AS CIVILIAN.
AND SECONDLY, BRUTAL,
FACE-TO-FACE TORTURE AND SUMMARY
EXECUTION AND DISMEMBERMENT AS A
STRATEGY, WHICH IS INCREDIBLY
SHOCKING.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH
BUCHA AND MARIUPOL, ARE TWO
INCIDENTS THAT WILL HAVE THE
FLAVOR OF SARAJEVO.
PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY IS NOT
EXPLICIT ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS TO
DO THESE.
HE'LL TAKE THE ONE THAT MOVERS
QUICKLY.
I THINK AMBASSADOR GREENFIELD
SAID TIME TO KICK RUSSIA OFF OF
THE U.N. HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL,
IT'S 47 MEMBERS, THEY SHOULD NOT
BE THERE VOTING AND HELPING TO
SET THE AGENDA.
>> IN FACT, THAT MAY HAPPEN THIS
WEEK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ACT WITH
RUSSIA ON VETO ON THE SECURITY
COUNCIL.
THEY ARE GOING TO THE GENERAL
ASSEMBLY, WHERE THEY GOT 141
VOTES IN FAVOR OF CONDEMNING THE
INVASION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
BEFORE I GET TO YOU, PETER, I
WANT TO BRING IN NBC CHIEF
CORRESPONDENT RICHARD ENGEL, WHO
SHARED THIS REPORTING FROM BUCHA
IN THE LAST HOUR.
LET'S WATCH.
>> Reporter: THIS IS THE CENTER
OF BUCHA OR WHAT'S LEFT OF IT.
AND RUSSIAN FORCES DIDN'T JUST
BOMB AND DESTROY THIS AREA.
RESIDENTS SAY THAT RUSSIAN
SOLDIERS WERE GOING
DOOR-TO-DOOR, HOUSE-TO-HOUSE,
KICKING DOWN THE DOORS, SHOOTING
THE LOCKS AND SEARCHING FOR
YOUNG MEN, THEY SAY.
THAT IF ANYONE GAVE THEM ANY
KIND OF RESISTANCE, ARGUED WITH
THEM, FRIED TOY TRIED TO TALK BA
THEM, THEY WOULD QUICKLY BE
SHOT.
THERE WERE SO MANY BODIES THAT
PEOPLE STARTED TO BURY THE
BODIES IN THEIR BACKYARD.
THEY TALK ABOUT SNIPERS.
HOW CIVILIANS WOULD HAVE TO
CROSS THROUGH THIS AREA TO GO
FROM HOUSE-TO-HOUSE AND THEY
WOULD HEAR THE WHIZ OF SNIPER
BULLETS GOING PAST THEIR HEADS.
SCENES OF TERRIBLE DESTRUCTION
ALSO ACCOUNTS OF HORRIBLE,
HORRIBLE BRUTALITY IN THIS ONE
SUBURB JUST ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF
KYIV.
>> YOU KNOW, MY COLLEAGUE,
RICHARD ENGEL, HAS SEEN IT ALL.
BUT CLEARLY, WHAT PEOPLE ARE
DESCRIBING IN BUCHA, PETER AND
HAROLD, IS REALLY BEYOND ANYTHING AS, HAROLD, YOU POINTED
ANYTHING AS, HAROLD, YOU POINTED
OUT, IS SERBTO BRING MILOSEVIC T
JUSTICE.
PETER, YOU'VE BEEN THERE AND IN
MOSCOW, AS THE BUREAU CHIEF.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO IMAGINE HOW
UKRAINE IN A PROTRACTED WAR,
WHERE U.S. MILITARY AND THE
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISORY SAID
THAT RUSSIA IS REGROUPING. THEY'RE GOING TO GO EAST AND PIN
THEY'RE GOING TO GO EAST AND PIN
DOWN THE UKRAINIAN FORCES.
>> IT'S AMAZING THE IMAGES YOU
SHOWED.
YOU KNOW, VLADIMIR PUTIN SAID HE
WAS INVADING UKRAINE TO SAVE IT.
IT'S A SITUATION WHERE TO SAVE
THE VILLAGE HE IS GOING TO BURN
DOWN.
HE IS USING FORCE AGAINST
CIVILIAN TARGETS.
THEY ARE PRACTICING BRUTALITY
AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN, AS
WELL AS MEN.
IT REMINDS ME SO MUCH OF WHAT WE
SAW IN CHECHNYA, IN THE
BEGINNING OF PUTIN'S REIGN.
I WAS IN GROZNY.
WHAT THEY DID TO GROZNY, IS WHAT
THEY'RE DOING IN UKRAINE, AT A
MORE MASSIVE SCALE.
THEY HAD CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
THEY WERE PULLING MEN FROM
HOUSE-TO-HOUSE.
THIS IS A PATTERN WE'VE SEEN IN
PUTIN'S TENURE.
HE'S APPLYING IT ON A LARGER
SCALE IN FRONT OF THE WORLD'S
EYES.
PEOPLE DIDN'T GET INTO CHECHNYA
TO SEE IT THE WAY THEY ARE IN
UKRAINE, THE WAY IT IS THE REST
OF EUROPE, AND UNDER RUSSIAN
CONTROL.
WHAT THEY ARE DOING, IS A
PATTERN OF TWO DECADES OF
BRUTALITY OF ANYBODY WHO STANDS
UP TO THEM. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE
UKRAINIANS ARE THE RUSSIANS'
SHOVE
SLAVIC BROTHERS.
THEY ARE DOING THIS TO PEOPLE
THEY SAY TO CONSIDER TO BE PART
OF THEIR OWN NATION.