>> Neil: A STARTLING NUMBER IF
YOU THINK ABOUT I’M AMONG
DEMOCRATS, 37% THINK JOE BIDEN
SHOULD RUN AGAIN.
THEY’RE LOOKING ALMOST TWO OUT
OF THREE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, NOT
HIM.
MARIANNE WILLIAMSON WANTS TO BE
THAT SOMEBODY ELSE.
SHE’S BACK IN THE RACE TO
CHALLENGE JOE BIDEN.
WHEN SHE RAN IN THE LAST
CONTEST, IT WAS A CROWDED FIELD.
WE ASSUME THESE GOING TO RERUN.
MARIANNE WILLIAMSON IS BACK WITH
US NOW.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> Neil: WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
>> I’M DOING THIS BECAUSE I
THINK THERE’S SOME THINGS THAT
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IN THIS
COUNTRY AND WE NEED TO CHANGE.
PEOPLE NEED HEALTH CARE, PEOPLE
HAVE TO GET EDUCATED, PEOPLE
NEED A LIVING WAGE, WE NEED TO
SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR
GRANDCHILDREN AND THINGS THAT
REPRESENT A HEALTHY MIDDLE CLASS
THAT WE HAD IN THIS COUNTRY IN
THE 70s.
THESE THINGS NEED TO BE PUT ON
THE TABLE AND REPRESENT THE KIND
OF ECONOMIC U TURN THIS COMPANY
NEEDS.
>> Neil: I KNOW BERNIE SANDERS
IS IMPRESSED WITH YOU.
WE’VE HEARD LITTLE FROM ANYONE
ELSE.
IN FACT, NOTHING.
IT’S ALMOST LIKE CRICKETS FROM
EVERYBODY ELSE IN YOUR PARTY.
EVEN THE PROGRESSIVE WING THAT
SUPPOSEDLY YOU WOULD APPEAL TO
CERTAINLY MORE THAN THE
PRESIDENT.
WHAT DO YOU SAY?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE’S THIS
DECISION MADE.
WE WILL NOT PRIMARY BIDEN.
EVERYBODY THAT IS THINKING ABOUT
THEIR OWN CAREER, THEY’RE
STANDING IN LINE AND WAITING
BECAUSE THAT’S THE DECISION MADE
FROM ON HIGH.
I BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY, I
BELIEVE IN ELECTIONS AND ANYBODY
THAT FEELS MOVED TO RUN, PUTTING
THEIR IDEAS OUT THERE AND THEIR
AGENDA TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
AND LET THE PRIMARY VOTERS
DECIDE.
THAT’S WHAT DEMOCRACY SHOULD BE.
>> Neil: DO YOU WANT TO DEBATE
IN PRESIDENT?
>> ABSOLUTELY I WANT TO DEBATE
THE PRESIDENT.
HE SHOULD DEBATE ME GIVEN THE
FACT THAT I’M ANOTHER CANDIDATE.
>> Neil: ALL RIGHT.
YOU’RE THE ONLY ONE FOR THE TIME
BEING HERE.
YOU THINK OTHERS WILL ENTER IN
NO ONE SEEMS TO BE EVEN WITH
THIS AFFECTION FOR THE PRESIDENT
AMONG THE BASE TO JUMP IN.
>> IT’S A VERY SERIOUS DECISION
WHETHER OR NOT TO RUN FOR
PRESIDENT.
I RESPECT THAT.
I’M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
THINKING VERY DEEPLY ABOUT THEIR
OWN -- THEY’RE THINKING ABOUT
THEIR CAREERS.
THEY’RE PART OF THE POLITICAL
MINUTERY.
I’M NOT.
I DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT
WILL THIS MEAN FOR ME.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE FROM
OUTSIDE THAT POLITICAL MACHINE
THAT JUMP IN.
THAT TO ME THE SORT OF GLORY OF
DEMOCRACY THAT ANYBODY SHOULD BE
OUT THERE THAT FEELS MOVED TO BE
OUT THERE, PUT THEIR PIECE TO
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> LAST TIME YOU RAN, YOU TALKED
ABOUT LOVE AND THE IDEA OF
DECENCY AND LOOK AFTER YOUR
FELLOW MAN.
I’M KIND OF CONFLATING IT ALL.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
NOW THERE’S REPORTS IN POLITCO
THAT YOU DON’T PRACTICE
NECESSARILY WHAT YOU PREACH,
THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS YOU’VE
BEEN VERY MEAN, CONDESCENDING,
ACTUALLY CRUEL TO STAFF MEMBERS,
YOU HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF
YELLING AND SCREAMING.
WHAT DO YOU SAY?
>> THAT’S WHAT THEY DO.
HIT PIECES COME.
FROM THE PRESS SECRETARY TO THE
PRESIDENT.
THE WOMEN ON "THE VIEW."
SOMEBODY FEELS THREATENED.
THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS IN
POLITICS --
>> Neil: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
THEY TO QUOTE YOU.
YOU’RE RIGHT.
QUITE A FEW OF THESE HAVE NOT
BEEN IDENTIFIED.
>> HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT?
>> THE FORMER CONGRESSMAN SAID
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH MY
OBSERVATION AND WITH BEHAVIOR
THAT’S SEEN.
WHAT DO YOU SAY?
>> I CAN TALK ABOUT PAUL’S
BEHAVIOR.
I’M NOT GOING THERE.
IF ANYBODY EVER FELT THAT WAS
NOT RESPECTFUL TO THEM THAT
WORKED FOR ME, I’M AM SORRY.
I ALSO KNOW THIS IS A HIT PIECE.
ANY TIME THAT SOMEBODY
CRITICIZES YOU, YOU ALWAYS HAVE
TO ASK YOURSELF, IS ANY OF IT
TRUE?
IS 10% OF IT TRUE?
IF 10% IS TRUE, I WANT TO
CORRECT THAT WITHIN MYSELF AND
MY BEHAVIOR.
DO I HAVE SOMETHING TO LEARN
FROM ANY EXPERIENCE INCLUDING
THAT ONE?
ABSOLUTELY.
I ALSO THINK THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE
THROUGH THE OBVIOUS GAME THAT’S
BEING PLAYED HERE BY
ESTABLISHMENT FORCES THAT DON’T
WANT ME IN THE GAME.
>> Neil: SO MANY PEOPLE PUT IT
OUT THERE, INCLUDING PRESS
SECRETARY, KARINE JEAN-PIERRE
WHO MADE SNIDE RESPONSES ABOUT
YOU.
RESPOND TO THIS. >> THE PRESIDENT IS ANNOYED AND
>> THE PRESIDENT IS ANNOYED AND
FRUSTRATED WITH MARIANNE
WILLIAMSON IN THE RACE?
>> I’M NOT TRACKING THAT.
IF I HAD A LITTLE GLOBE HERE --
>> CRYSTAL BALL.
>> CRYSTAL BALL, I COULD TELL
YOU.
IF I COULD FEEL HER AURA.
I DON’T HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE
ON THAT.
>> Neil: WHAT DID YOU THINK OF
THAT?
>> WHAT I THOUGHT IS FIRST OF
ALL, SHE’S NOT TRACKING THAT.
SHE’S NOT TRACKING THAT.
OBVIOUSLY SHE IS.
THOSE WERE NOT SPONTANEOUS
REMARKS.
I’VE WRITTEN 15 BOOKS.
I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT
CRYSTAL BALLS AND AURAS.
I WRITE ABOUT RELIGIOUS, SPIRIT
YOU’LL THEMES AND THE GREAT
RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD.
I THINK GIVEN THE SPIRITUALITY
OF MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, BE
CAREFUL MOCKING THAT.
>> Neil: I AGREE WITH YOU.
YOU’RE VERY PROFOUND ON POLITICS
OF LOVE COMES TO MIND.
YOU RAISE ISSUES THAT A LOT OF
CANDIDATE DON’T SHARE DURING A
CAMPAIGN.
THE IDEA WHEN YOU RAN LAST TIME
IS THAT YOU WERE CAUGHT OFF
GUARD, YOU WERE FLIPPANT, THAT
YOU’RE MAKING UP FOR IT NOW BUT
REALLY GETTING DOWN AND STUDYING
A LOT OF THESE ISSUES.
DO YOU REGRET THE WAY THINGS
STARTED IN THAT LAST CAMPAIGN?
>> I THINK THE ISSUE THAT YOU
BRING UP, THE POINT IS WHAT YOU
JUST SAID, WHEN THEY STARTED.
I THINK WHEN PEOPLE CAME TO HERE
ME SPEAK LAST TIME, I WAS
SPEAKING ABOUT SERIOUS ISSUES
THEN.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE DEBATES
WERE EARLY, I WAS NERVOUS.
I MADE A COUPLE OF -- I GAVE
AMMUNITION TO THOSE THAT WANTED
TO OPPOSE BY.
I SOUNDED SILLY WITH A COUPLE OF
THINGS I SAID.
ALTHOUGH I ALSO SAID SERIOUS
THING IN THOSE DEBATES ABOUT ALL
KINDS OF ISSUES AS WELL.
WHEN PEOPLE CAME TO HEAR ME, THE
ISSUE WAS TAKE SOMETHING SILLY
THAT SHE SAID, USE TO IT CREATE
FAIRY DUST SO PEOPLE WON’T COME
HEAR HER.
IF YOU LOOK AT MY WEBSITE AND
LOOK AT MY TALKS LAST TIME, I
WAS TALKING ABOUT SERIOUS ISSUES
THEN.
NOW I THINK PEOPLE ARE HEARING
ME.
THAT’S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE.
BE HONEST WITH YOU, NEIL, I’M
NOT TALKING ANY MORE SERIOUSLY
NOW THAN THEN.
I’M JUST SEEN IN CERTAIN
SITUATIONS EARLY IN THE DEBATE.
THEY’LL TAKE ONE VIRAL MOMENT
AND CRINGE AND THAT -- IT’S A
DEFLECTION TECHNIQUE.
>> Neil: YOU’LL GET MORE
SCRUTINY AS A RESULT.
YOU’RE PREPARING FOR THIS
DIFFERENTLY.
YOU’RE UNAPOLOGETIC PROGRESSIVE.
YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A SINGLE
PAYER HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, PAID
LEAVE, PARENTAL LEAVE, FREE
CHILD CARE, TUITION FREE, THE
PUBLIC AND VOCATIONAL SCHOOLING.
A TRILLION DOLLAR REPARATIONS TO
BLACK AMERICANS.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR ALL
OF THAT?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IT’S
INTERESTING.
RIGHT NOW TAKE SOMETHING LIKE
HEALTHCARE ALONE, UNIVERSITY OF
MASSACHUSETTS AT AMHERST HAS
JUST COME UP WITH A STUDY THAT
SAID OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS, IT
WOULD SAVE US $5 TRILLION TO
HAVE MEDICARE FOR US A.
WE PAY 18.3% OF OUR GDP GOES TO
HEALTHCARE.
IF YOU LOOK AT COUNTRIES THAT
HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, LOOK
AT GERMANY, CANADA, MAYBE 10%,
MAYBE 15.
THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE NOT
AFFORD TO?
LOOK AT WHAT WE’RE PAYING IN
HEALTHCARE NOW.
WE HAVE AN 88 BILLION DOLLARS
MEDICAL DEBT.
ONE IN FOUR AMERICANS ARE LIVING
WITH MEDICAL DEBT.
68 --
>> Neil: YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT
THAT.
BUT THE IDEA IS PAYING FOR IT UP
FRONT TO GET GOING.
DO YOU WANT TO TAX THE RICH?
SURCHARGES?
HOW ARE YOU -- THAT’S PART OF
IT.
THERE’S A LOT MORE.
WHAT DO YOU DO?
>> FIRST OF ALL, WE SPENT
TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ, WHICH WERE
SPECTACULAR FAILURES.
THE FIRST QUESTION PEOPLE WERE
ASKING IS NOT HOW ARE YOU GOING
TO PAY FOR IT.
YES, WE SHOULD HAVE FAIR
TAXATION FOR THE VERY RICH.
WE SHOULD GET RID --
>> Neil: WHAT IS A FAIR
TAXATION?
WHAT IS A FAIR -- WHAT IS A FAIR
AMOUNT FOR THE RICH TO PAY?
>> OKAY.
I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
A WEALTH TAX.
I WOULDN’T HAVE A PROBLEM.
IF YOU HAVE $50 MILLION IN THE
BANK, I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM
WITH YOU PAYING 2% EXTRA IN TAX.
I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
THAT.
IF YOU HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS IN
ASSET AND WE ASK FOR 1% ON TOP
OF THAT, THAT’S NOT GOING TO
AFFECT YOUR DAY.
SO YOU KNOW, WE HAD A 2017 TAX
CUT, $2 TRILLION, 83 CENTS WENT
TO THE HIGHEST EARNERS AND THE
RICHEST CORPORATIONS.
WHY IS IT, NEIL --
>> Neil: EVERYONE GOT THAT TAX
CUT, RIGHT?
EVERYONE --
>> HOLD OUT --
>> Neil: THE PRESIDENT LIMITS
IT -- I WANT TO BE CLEAR. THE 400,000 AND OVER GROUP, THE
THE 400,000 AND OVER GROUP, THE
PRESIDENT SAYS HE’S TARGETING
THEM.
ANYBODY BENEATH THAT, WON’T GET
TAX
TAXED.
HOW DO YOU FEEL HABIT THAT?
>> HE’S RIGHT.
THE MIDDLE TAX TAX CUT IS A GOOD
IDEA.
WHILE I WISH TO REPEAL THE TAX
CUT ON THE HIGHEST EARNERS --
>> Neil: HOW DO YOU DIFFER FROM
PRESIDENT BIDEN, THE MAN YOU’RE
TRYLE TO TOPPLE FROM THE
NOMINATION?
WHAT IS HE SAYING THAT YOU WERE
NOT --
>> THE PRESIDENT APPROVED THE
WILLOW PROJECT, WHICH IS A
MASSIVE FOSSIL FUEL EXTRACTION
PLAN IN ALASKA.
I WOULD CANCEL THAT THE FIRST
DAY.
I WANT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE LIKE
IN EVERY OTHER ADVANCED
DEMOCRACY AND THE PRESIDENT HAS
SAID THAT WE WOULD VETO A
MEDICARE FOR ALL BILL IF THAT
CAME TO HIS DESK.
THE PRESIDENT SAID HE WANTS TO
MAKE PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS
CHEAPER, A FEW OF THEM.
LIKE I SAID, I WANT UNIVERSAL
HEALTHCARE.
I WANT WHAT THEY HAVE IN EVERY
OTHER ADVANCED DEMOCRACY.
WHETHER IT HAS TO DO WITH
UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, PAID
FAMILY LEAVE, I WANT TO RAISE
MANY MINIMUM WAGE --
>> Neil: SO YOU WANT TO GO
FURTHER THAN WHAT THIS PRESIDENT
DID, LIKE WORKING WITH BARACK
OBAMA ON SO-CALLED OBAMACARE.
YOU WANT TO GO WAY BEYOND THAT,
CORRECT?
>> I WANT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE
LIKE THEY HAVE IN EVERY OTHER
ADVANCED DEMOCRACY.
YOU DON’T -- LOOK AT INSULIN
ALONE.
LOOK AT HOW MANY MILLIONS OF
AMERICANS ARE RATIONING INSULIN.
18 MILLION AMERICANS WITH NOT
AFFORD TO FULFILL PRESCRIPTIONS
THAT THEIR DOCTORS GIVE TO THEM.
YOU DON’T HAVE THIS HAPPENING IN
OTHER ADVANCED DEMOCRACIES.
>> Neil: I UNDERSTAND.
YOU’LL HEAR CRITICS SAYING
YOU’RE GOING TO BREAK THE BANK,
HUGE DEFICITS IN THE MIDDLE OF A
FISCAL CRUNCH AS WE SPEAK.
BANKS ARE IN GREAT DISARRAY.
YOU’RE GOING TO TAX IT ALL THE
MORE.
BAD TIMING.
WHAT DO YOU SAY?
>> MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS THAT
THERE ARE EQUALLY LEGITIMATE
ARGUMENTS THAT SAY IF PEOPLE
HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, IF
PEOPLE CAN GO TO COLLEGE, IF WE
GET RID OF THESE COLLEGE LOAN
DEBTSES AND A HIGHER MINIMUM
WAGE, THIS WILL STIMULATE THE
ECONOMY.
THERE’S JUST AS GOOD AN ARGUMENT
THAT THIS WILL STIPULATE THE
ECONOMY.
THIS AUSTERITY OF MAKING IT
EASIER FOR THOSE THAT ALREADY
HAVE TO GET MORE AND HARDER FOR
EVERYBODY ELSE TO MAKE IT IS NOT
GIVING US THE THRIVING ECONOMY
THAT SOME WOULD LIKE TO MAKE US
BELIEVE.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW BETTER.
THE VISCERAL EXPERIENCE OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE IS THAT 80% OF
AMERICANS ARE STRUGGLING TO HOLD
ON.
>> Neil: ALL RIGHT.
WE’LL WATCH IT CLOSELY.