>>> TIME NOW FOR A VERY SPECIAL EDITION OF "FALLBACK."
WE ARE JOINED BY TWO LEGENDS.
FIRST MUSIC ICON DEBBIE HARRY, A
ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAMER,
LEAD SINGER OF COURSE THE
GROUNDBREAKING BAND BLONDIE
KNOWN FOR HITS LIKE "CALL ME,"
"HEART OF GLASS" AND "RAPT
YOOUR," A 1980 HIT THAT THE
"WALL STREET JOURNAL" NOTES WAS
THE FIRST MAJOR HIP-HOP HIT TO
NOT USE SAMPLES.
SHE HAS SOLD OVER 40 MILLION
ALBUMS WORLDWIDE.
ALBUMS WORLDWIDE. AND HER NEW MEMOIR IS "FACE IT."
AND TONIGHT SHE IS PAIRED WITH A
GIANT OF JOURNALISM MAKING HIS
FALLBACK DEBUT, CHRIS MATTHEWS,
HOST OF THE LONGEST-RUNNING SHOW
ON MSNBC, "HARDBALL," AUTHOR OF
SIX BEST-SELLING BOOKS, VETERAN
OF THE CARTER WHITE HOUSE.
EVERY CHIEF EXECUTIVE FROM
CANDIDATES BUSH, CLINTON, FORD-O
BAMA, HAS BEEN IN THE MIDDLE OF
SOME MEMORABLE LINES OF
QUESTIONING IN AMERICAN
POLITICS.
POLITICS. >> IF YOU’RE GOING TO ASK A
QUESTION --
QUESTION -- >> WELL, LISTEN -- IT TAKES A
FEW WORDS.
FEW WORDS. >> GET OUT OF MY FACE.
>> IF YOU’RE GOING TO ASK ME A
QUESTION, STEP BACK AND LET ME
ANSWER IT.
ANSWER IT. >> SENATOR --
>> YOU KNOW, I WISH WE LIVED IN
THE DAY WHERE YOU COULD
CHALLENGE A PERSON TO A DUEL.
>> SO GREAT TO HAVE YOU
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. >> THANK YOU.
>> I LOVE IT.
CHRIS, WHAT IN AMERICAN LIFE,
BIG PICTURE, AND POLITICS NEEDS
TO FALL BACK?
>> WE WATCH OUR NETWORK ALL DAY,
AND I LEARN A LOT FROM OUR
NETWORK.
NETWORK. BUT ONE THING I LEARNED FROM
THESE POLITICIANS, DEMOCRAT AND
REPUBLICAN, LEFT AND RIGHT, IS
THEY ALL PLAY THE SAME GAME OF
HALF TRUTHS.
HALF TRUTHS. DURING THE FIGHT OVER
IMPEACHMENT THEY’D SAY, WELL,
THEY EVENTUALLY GOT THE MONEY.
UKRAINE GOT THE MONEY.
THAT’S THE HALF TRUTH.
THEY DID EVENTUALLY GET THE
MONEY.
MONEY. FULL TRUTH, THEY GOT CAUGHT.
THE ADMINISTRATION GOT CAUGHT
AND HAD TO GIVE THEM THE MONEY.
BOTH SIDES PLAYED THIS GAME.
THE DEMOCRATS WILL SAY THINGS
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE’VE GOT
INHERENT POWER TO SUBPOENA
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. WE CAN SEND THE SERGEANT AT ARMS
OUT AND GRAB ANYBODY WE WANTED.
NO, YOU CAN’T.
IT MAY BE WRITTEN SOMEWHERE BUT
YOU CAN’T DO SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
THAT. SO STOP SAYING IT.
>> WHAT’S ON YOUR MIND IF
ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO FALL
BACK?
BACK? >> I’M NOT SURE WHAT FALL BACK
MEANS.
MEANS. DOES THAT MEAN SURRENDER OR GIVE
UP OR JUST -- RECONVENE WITHIN
YOURSELF?
YOURSELF? >> I’M GLAD YOU ASKED.
YOU KNOW WHO’S AN EXPERT ON
THIS?
THIS? CHRIS MATTHEWS.
CHRIS MATTHEWS. >> IT MEANS STOP IT.
IT’S NOT WORKING.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY. FALL BACK AND RE-EXAMINE.
OKAY.
OKAY. >> I’LL GIVE YOU ONE OF MINE.
PEOPLE OUT TO DINNER TOGETHER ON
THEIR PHONES.
THEIR PHONES. >> I HATE IT.
>> I THINK THAT NEEDS TO FALL
BACK.
BACK. >> WHOLE FAMILY, FOUR PEOPLE,
ALL WITH THEIR OWN PHONES.
ALL TALKING --
>> HAVE YOU EVER SEEN SUCH A
THING?
THING? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND THAT’S WHEN I KNOW THE
PARTY’S OVER, WHEN THE PHONE
COMES OUT.
COMES OUT. SAY OH, WELL, THAT’S IT.
>> AND IF I MAY, MY
UNDERSTANDING IS YOU KNOW HOW TO
PARTY.
PARTY. NOW PEOPLE ARE SAYING THINGS ARE
WAVY.
WAVY. HAVE YOU HEARD THIS?
>> MM.
>> MM. >> WAVY IS GOOD.
>> THAT’S GOOD?
>> WAVY’S GOOD.
YEAH.
YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT SLANG WORD HAS
REALLY SURVIVED?
REALLY SURVIVED? >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> COOL.
>> COOL. DIDN’T PEOPLE SAY COOL IN THE
’70s?
’70s? >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> AND THE ’80s.
WE STILL SAY COOL.
>> BUT NEAT DIDN’T MAKE IT.
>> NEAT DID NOT MAKE IT.
NO.
NO. >> DO YOU THINK NEAT WILL BE
BACK?
BACK? I KEEP THINKING ABOUT COOL.
OBAMA WAS COOL.
SINATRA WAS COOL.
I THINK WE KNOW WHAT COOL MEANS.
LIKE YOU’RE UNRUFFLED.
YOU GO THROUGH ANYTHING.
YOU DON’T GET RATTLED.
YOU’RE LIKE COOL IN EVERY KIND
OF WAY.
OF WAY. >> SO DEBBIE, THIS IS GOOD.
DID YOU THINK OF YOURSELF AS
COOL WHEN YOU WERE DOING THIS
PUNK STUFF, NEW RORKSCK, HIP-HOP
OR YOU WERE JUST DOING YOUR
THING, YOU DIDN’T CARE IF IT WAS
COOL?
COOL? >> WELL, I LIKED COOL BECAUSE I
WANTED TO BE A BEATNIK.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY. >> SO I SORT OF KNEW I ASPIRED
TO COOL.
TO COOL. >> WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE TO
YOUNG PEOPLE?
YOUNG PEOPLE? >> OH, GOD.
I THINK BASICALLY, YOU KNOW,
JUST BE COMMITTED TO WHAT YOU
WANT TO DO.
AND LIKE YOU SAY, HOLD ON TO
YOURSELF.
YOURSELF. IT’S COMPLICATED.
IT’S COMPLICATED. BUT IF YOU HAVE YOUR CORE OF
YOUR CREATIVITY, WHICH IS WHAT I
HAVE TO RELY ON, THAT’S REALLY
WHERE IT COUNTS.
>> YOU KNOW, WHEN JOHN HUSTON,
THE GREAT DIRECTOR, WAS OLD AND
HE HAD -- HE’S GOT AN OXYGEN
MASK ON AND HE WAS ON DICK
CAVETT ONE NIGHT, WHICH WAS VERY
POPULAR.
POPULAR. AND CAVETT SAID TO HIM, WHAT
KEEPS YOU GOING?
AND HE SAID, INTEREST.
THAT WAS THE BEST LINE I’VE EVER
HEARD.
HEARD. I’M INTERESTED.
I’M INTERESTED. I THINK INTEREST IS EVERYTHING.
AND YOU CAN’T FAKE IT.
YOU’RE EITHER INTERESTED OR NOT.
IN THE PERSON, INTERESTED IN THE
PERSON.
PERSON. OR YOU’RE NOT.
YOU CAN’T FAKE THAT.
YOU CANNOT PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT
A TOPIC.
A TOPIC. I’M GIFTED THAT I’VE ALWAYS BEEN
INTERESTED IN POLITICS.
>> SOMETIMES THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
DEEPLY INTERESTED IN OTHERS ARE
ALSO THE MOST INTERESTING TO
LEARN FROM.
LEARN FROM. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING
HERE.
HERE. >> OH, THANK YOU.
>> YOU CAN TELL I’M WRAPPING IT
UP.
UP. >> THANK YOU.
>> CHRIS MATTHEWS --
>> YOU’RE A GREAT LEAD-IN AS WE
SAY IN OUR BUSINESS.
LOVE YOUR LEAD-IN.
HE’S RIGHT BEFORE ME.
>> AND HE MIGHT BE WORKING ON A
MEMOIR TOO.
MEMOIR TOO. SO HE CAN GET TIPS FROM YOU.