THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN OF THE
CONSTRUCTION IN THEIR HOMETOWN.
NBC NEWS, LVIV, UKRAINE.
>> AND EVEN FOR THOSE WHO ARE
ABLE TO ESCAPE UKRAINE, A NEW
SET OF DANGERS LIES AHEAD.
THE KEY AIDE ARCTIC REFUGEE
CRISIS --
FOR THOSE FLEEING THE RUSSIANS.
>> FOR PREDATORS AND HUMAN
TRAFFICKERS, WAR IS NOT A
TRAGEDY.
IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
AND WOMEN, AND CHILDREN, ARE
THE TARGETS.
WHICH IS WHY OUR NEXT GUEST >>
TATIANA, IS WORKING WITH HER
TEAM AT ALLIANCE FOR CHILDREN
UKRAINE, TO PROTECT THOUSANDS
OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
TATIANA, A WAR AGAINST MOTHERS
AND CHILDREN.
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PREDATORS?
IS THAT HOW YOU SEE THIS?
>> I DEFINITELY SEE IT LIKE
THIS.
THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE
DEFINITELY WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
THEY ARE FLEEING WITHOUT
KNOWING WHERE THEY ARE GOING.
AND WHAT IS GOING ON.
AND WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO
THEM WHILE THE INITIAL FLOWS,
OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE PEOPLE ON
THE GROUND.
THE NEXT OF THOSE THAT CAME
WERE WOMEN AND CHILDREN GETTING
ON WHAT OTHER TRAIN, WHATEVER
TRANSPORTATION.
AND THERE ARE NOT ALWAYS PEOPLE
WHO WANT TO HELP THEM, BUT
EXPLOIT THEM.
THE INTERNATIONAL MARKET, HAS
UKRAINIAN WOMEN OR WHITES,
CONSIDERED TO BE VERY BEAUTIFUL,
AS WELL AS CHILDREN ARE A
LUCRATIVE ITEM.
AND YOU HAVE PREDATORS WHO ARE
SCHEMING, AND LEADING THEM.
OFFERS OF HOPE, TAKING THEIR
PASSPORTS, AND THEN TRAFFICKING
THEM ONWARDS TO THE DIFFERENT
SPOTS OF THE SEX INDUSTRY
AROUND THE WORLD.
>> IS THIS A POTENTIAL RISK?
OR YOU'RE SEEING IT HAPPEN?
>> I'VE BEEN HEARING REPORTS OF
IT HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.
IT IS A RISK, AND A
VULNERABILITY FOR EVERY WOMAN
AND CHILD PASSING THROUGH
BORDERS.
BUT FROM THE COUNCIL THAT I'VE
BEEN HEARING ON THE GROUND, FOR
A DIFFERENT NGOS, AND DIFFERENT
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS THIS HAS
BEEN HAPPENING.
>> THREE HAVE ALREADY LEFT THE
COUNTRY.
ARE THEY BEING TRACKED IN
ANYWAY?
I KNOW --
HOW DO YOU KNOW MANY ARE NOT
LOST IN ANYWAY?
>> I KNOW THERE ARE BUSES OF
CHILDREN DISAPPEARING.
AND IN THE INITIAL STATIONS
THERE WERE CONTROL, THERE WERE
NGOS COMING TO HELP.
POTENTIALLY OTHERS WHO ARE NOT
NGOS WHO WERE HAVING A GOOD
NIGHT AND THOSE IN THE PROCESS.
>> WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT.
I'M SORRY YES?
>> I SAID THE FULL SCOPE OF
THIS ISSUE WILL BE SEEN LATER
ON, NOT NECESSARILY NOW.
NOW THERE ARE REPORTS HERE IN
THERE, BUT THIS IS HAPPENING.
AND THIS IS AS THE SECRETARY
GENERAL HAD A REAL ISSUE IN
TERMS OF CONFLICT AND WAR.
WHERE PEOPLE COME INTO EXPLOITS
THE MOST VULNERABLE WOMEN AND
CHILDREN.
>> WELL IF WE DON'T GET THE
FULL SCOPE UNTIL LATER ON,
LATER ON WILL BE TOO LATE!
I REALIZE WE'RE IN WARTIME, BUT
ARE THESE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES,
POLAND, ROMANIA, UKRAINE.
ARE THE GOVERNMENTS WORKING TO
ADDRESS THIS?
>> THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE UNITY
ACROSS --
THE.
MOST OF THEM ARE ARGUING TO
CREATES COMPREHENSIVE CHILD
PROTECTION SYSTEMS.
AS WELL AS PROTECTIVE SYSTEMS
FOR VULNERABLE POPULATIONS,
WOMEN, AND CHILDREN.
IN TERMS --
OF, THEY SET UP A SYSTEM FOR
UNACCOMPANIED MINORS.
AND WHO THEY HAVE THE HONOR OF
VISITING.
AND THE MAYOR THEMSELF IS
CONTROLLING WHO CAN PICK UP
EACH CHILDREN.
AND EVERYONE IS VETTED BEFORE
ANYONE GOES ON.
>> THAT'S WHY DON'T ASK YOU
ABOUT.
WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT ALL OF
THESE --
ALL OVER UKRAINE.
AND CHILDREN ARE BEING
TRANSFERRED OUT.
WELL A FORMER PROVOCATION IS
TRYING TO GET UKRAINIAN KIDS TO
THE UNITED STATES TO EVENTUALLY
BE ADOPTED.
AND FOR A LOT OF CIVILIANS WHO
DON'T KNOW THE COUNTRY, THE,
RULES THEY THINK WHILE THAT
SOUNDS GOOD.
THESE ARE ORPHANS, WE ARE
TRYING TO BRING YOU TO A SAFE
PLACE.
BUT IT IS NOT THAT SIMPLE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN?
>> IT IS DEFINITELY NOT THAT
SIMPLE.
ALTHOUGH THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO HELP
UKRAINIAN CHILDREN, THEIR
SPECIFIC PROCEDURES THAT NEED
TO BE FOLLOWED.
THEIR SPECIFIC ADOPTION
PROCEDURES UKRAINE ALSO PASSED
A SPECIFIC PIECE OF LEGISLATION
TO ENSURE CHILD PROTECTION
SYSTEMS ARE IN PLACE.
THIS IS GOVERNMENTS TO
GOVERNMENT WITH PARTICULAR
AGREEMENTS IN PLACE, AND
PROCEDURES FOR ADOPTION FOR
EACH FAMILY.
>> YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON
HUMAN TRAFFICKING, SEX
TRAFFICKING, ALL OVER THE WORLD
IN THE MOST DANGEROUS AREAS
DURING WAR TIMES AND CRISES.
HOW DO YOU COMPARE WHAT YOU'RE
SEEING RIGHT NOW IN UKRAINE?
>> THE SITUATION IS MASSIVE, AS
I SAID.
UKRAINIAN WOMEN AND CHILDREN
ARE PARTICULARLY VALUED.
IN THE SOFT TRAFFICKING MARKET.
AND IT'S THE FLOWS ARE JUST SO
HUGE.
ALTHOUGH THE RESPONSES THUMBS
ARE THERE, TO SOME DEGREE, IN
TERMS OF EVERYBODY TRYING,
THERE NEEDS TO BE A MORE
COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH SET UP
ALL ACROSS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BORDER,
THERE IS NO --
HOTLINES PRESENT.
I KNOW PEOPLE ARE HANDING OUT
FLIERS.
I KNOW THEY'RE NGOS WHO ARE
TRYING, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A
REGISTRATION SYSTEM.
AND A FOLLOW-THROUGH SYSTEM TO
SEE.
CHILDREN, ALSO WOMEN, FROM
POINT A TO THE FINAL
DESTINATION.
>> THAT'S WITH THE GOVERNMENTS
THERE NEED TO DO MOST RIGHT
NOW.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING HERE
IN THE UNITED STATES, WHAT DO
YOU WANT US TO KNOW?
WHAT DO YOUR ORGANIZATION AND
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOURS
NEED?
>> WHAT WE NEED IS A
COMPREHENSIVE SENSE UP.
--
TO NOT ONLY CREATE AWARENESS OF
THE ISSUE, BUT A CONCRETE
RESPONSE SYSTEM TO THE ISSUE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A HOTLINE
THAT IS UNITED ACROSS ALL OF
EUROPE THAT IS AVAILABLE TO ALL
OF THOSE TRAVELING IN UKRAINIAN,
RUSSIAN, AND LOCAL LANGUAGES.
AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A
RESPONSE IN TERMS OF LAW
FORSMAN'S AND ANTI-TRAFFICKING
MOVEMENTS WHICH CAN HAVE LEADS,
AND PEOPLE ON THE GROUND AT ALL