Donald Trump weighing in
earlier today about a change
in the Biden
campaign strategy
to actually send surrogates
outside the courthouse to weigh in
on what's going on inside.
They have a protest of Robert
DeNiro yesterday
who's a fool of reason, broke it down for
standing out there.
And he got he got magic.
He got magic.
And yesterday he got a big dose of that.
The Biden campaign had been staying clear
of commenting on Trump's
trials in any major way.
Now breaking that,
they sent actor
Robert De Niro,
along with two former
Capitol Hill police officers
who defended the Capitol on January six,
one of them from the Metropolitan
Police Department,
the other from Capitol Police
to speak outside the court.
Here's how some of that went.
Even these
people over here, how
it's kind of crazy.
It's really crazy.
And this this
thing Donald Trump has created, this.
He should be telling them not to do this.
It got a little more heated from there.
Let's discuss with our panel.
First of all,
let me start with you, former
Biden White House official.
What do you think?
Good idea
for the Biden team to send in De
Niro and two cops to?
I got to say, strategically, this is not
this didn't make a ton of sense to me.
And here's why.
If you
buy the Biden
campaign theory of the case
that voters are not really tuned in yet,
which I think is true,
I mean, if you look at the data,
I think that's
that's pretty demonstrably true.
If you also look at data
that shows that Biden is struggling
the most.
I'm going to I'm
going to put a pin in you right
now, are going to come
right back to you after this.
Let's listen in here.
It's very unfair,
is that I'm not campaigning in this room
all day long,
from morning to night
in the Biden,
which I take a look
at where the people come from.
It's a Biden, which is weaponization.
So it seems that
there are a lot of
witnesses or the people
that they could have called
that they didn't call.
Now, they can call them, obviously,
because they would have been
very bad witnesses for them.
But take a look at the list
because of the gag order.
I want to get down into individual names,
but you have a lot of big players,
very big players
that would have solved
their problem
or actually would have given us the win.
We already have the win.
We if we had a fair judge,
this case would have been
over a long time ago.
But a lot of key witnesses were not
far. Look at your list.
Look at the players.
And you know what I'm talking about.
You could take five or six out of them.
Why didn't they call as witnesses?
They didn't call it because they
would have been on our side.
And it's a shame.
And in particular, one witness
who's now suffering gravely
because of what's happened,
because of the viciousness
of these thugs,
the vicious people,
what they've done to that person.
And you know what I'm talking about.
And they didn't call this a witness.
They called anybody as a witness.
And all these people,
they could have called itself
the problem.
The other thing, the confusion is
nobody knows what the crime
is, positional crime.
Nobody knows what the crime is. The D.A.
didn't name the crime of the lying.
They don't know what the crime is.
That's what the problem is.
It's a disgrace.
This thing going to be ended immediately.
The judge ought to end it
and save his reputation.
Thank you very much
for having the words.
All right.
Former President Donald Trump,
after the first day
of jury deliberations,
the judge is indeed making him
stay in the courthouse,
if not the courtroom,
while the jury deliberates.
Let's bring in CNN's Daniel Day-Lewis,
fact checking what we just heard from Mr.
Trump. Daniel, any thoughts?
Yeah, two things, Jake.
There's this Groundhog Day FactCheck.
He calls this a Biden witch hunt.
Again, for the
I don't know how many time.
There is no basis
for any suggestion
that President Biden
had personal involvement in this case.
It was brought by a locally elected
Manhattan district attorney.
No evidence
Biden was personally involved.
And then a newish claim, Jake,
he said the D.A.
didn't name the crime.
And on on first glance,
I'd say that's false.
At very least,
it's a gross oversimplification of a
an arguably valid criticism of the case.
So what has actually happened here
is that the D.A.
and the judge have specified
what the alleged crime in question is.
It is the falsification
of business records
with the intent to commit another crime,
which the D.A.
and the judge
has specified
is an alleged violation
of New York election law.
Now, what
Trump appears to be alluding to
is the fact that the prosecutors
did not specify
which so-called unlawful means
Trump is alleged
to have used
to violate this election law.
The prosecutor said, well,
it may be one of three things.
It could be a violation of tax law.
It could be a violation of federal
action law.
It could be the falsification
of other business records.
Now, the jury doesn't
have to be unanimous
on which particular unlawful means.
They believe Trump
used to violate that election law
as long as they unanimously agree
that Trump use some unlawful means.
So you could argue, okay, that's like,
you know, a Russian nesting doll.
That's that's a three
step process is confusing.
But it is simply not the case
that the D.A.
did not specify
any crimes or that,
as Trump suggested earlier
today on social media,
the judge didn't specify
what crimes he's talking about.
Those crimes have been
explicitly identified.
Even if you find the case complicated,
they have been specifically outlined
by the prosecution
and by Judge Mershon today.
All right, Daniel Dale, thanks so much.
CNN's Kristen Holmes
just watched Trump's remarks
some outside the courthouse.
Kristen, what are you
hearing from Team Trump?
Well, actually, one of the
things Donald Trump said
that was so interesting to me
is something
that I've heard
time and time again from the defense,
something that they believe
is going to help them in the case.
And it is the fact that the prosecution
didn't call a number of witnesses
that could have corroborated the story
from Michael Cohen,
that being in particular,
Allen Weisselberg and Keith Schiller.
There were several conversations
that Michael Cohen relayed
between him and Allen Weisselberg.
They did not call Allen
Weisselberg to confirm that conversation,
as well as that specific call
that we know
that the defense tried to say was about
a prank.
CALLER
Whereas the prosecution had said
it was about a Stormy Daniels,
something that Michael Cohen himself
had said
they could have called Keith Schiller.
That call went to Keith Schiller.
This is something
the defense
thinks will help them in the end.
There could be speculation among the jury
as to why exactly
they didn't call those witnesses.
And I will say,
while we don't know exactly why
they didn't call them,
both are considered Trump loyalists.
ALLEN Weisselberg,
currently sitting in Riker's,
was likely not to be
a cooperating witness
with the prosecution. Keith Schiller.
And no one has heard from
from a long for a long time.
But he ended on good terms with Trump
and is still considered
a close Trump confidant.
So things to keep in mind here.
Clearly Trump regurgitating
the information he's hearing
from his defense team.
One other thing I want to note.
Donald Trump sounded very tired.
This is a long day for a man
who is almost 78 years old
sitting in the courtroom.
A through all of these procedures,
not really doing anything,
waiting to hear
if there's going to be a verdict.
I am told by his team
that they are hoping
that this lengthier
period of time
that it wasn't a quick conviction
or a quick verdict
means something optimistic
for the former president Jake.
That's right.
He his birthday is coming up June 14th.
It's very it's
very sweet of you to remember that.
Kristen Holmes, appreciate it.
Thanks so much.
Let's bring back
our let's bring back our panel.
All right.
Kate Bedingfield,
I rudely interrupted you while you were
while you were at Donald Trump now,
but I am able to.
So you don't think it's a great idea
for the Biden team
to be sending Robert DeNiro and Mike
Fanone and Harry Dunn to to Capitol Hill?
January six Cops
to out there to comment on the case.
I don't.
And the reason for that
is because we see
in all of the data
that Joe Biden is struggling
the most with voters
who aren't watching the news,
who aren't tuned in to
what's going on day to day,
and the audience
who's watching this trial, following
this trial is very tuned in
to what's going on day to day.
And so what
I think the Biden campaign did
yesterday was sort of exchange
a talking point
that the Trump team really wants
and that Donald Trump has been driving.
This is all politicized.
This is Joe Biden
trying to make this happen for outreach
to an audience
that is all, for the most part,
already decided one way or the other.
If you're somebody
who is following
the coverage of this trial,
you pretty much
know where you're coming down.
So this wasn't outreach
to a new audience.
And I think that the cost that they paid
in making that decision
wasn't worth the tradeoff.
That's why I think it was strategic.
What do you make of it
and come to you after this?
I agree
actually with this
taken in that
for Donald Trump,
he has made this political at all times,
frankly, probably
to the detriment of the case.
His lawyers, in the legal sense
have been trying to make.
But the Biden team
I have praised President Biden
for being relatively muted on this,
I believe, on this very show.
And so to see this shift,
I think is frustrating, one,
because I put myself
in the mind of thinking of,
say, one of those voters
who turned out to vote for Nikki
Haley in one of these
Republican primaries.
So I don't want Donald Trump
to be the nominee.
Those are the sorts of folks
Biden should be trying to court.
And I think
by turning this into a political circus,
you then you just start putting yourself
down in the mud with Donald Trump.
You're lowering yourself to his standard.
I think that potentially turns off
the sort of voter who might be thinking,
why Donald Trump don't make me do it.
And Asia,
what do you think we're going to hear
from the White House
after there is a verdict?
Well, I think that's going to be
a very difficult thing for them to
to kind of maneuver,
because they don't want to,
depending on what the verdict is.
Obviously, if he's found guilty,
they're going to want to, you know,
showcase that.
But without them, you know,
kind of taking a real victory lap
because they don't
want to seem like they are,
even though they're not a part of this,
they don't want to give that impression.
And if they don't get,
you know, if he's found not guilty
or there's a mistrial,
then that's very difficult to
because that plays into this idea
that this is, you know,
just all you know,
people are out to get Trump.
They can't even succeed in this.
This was,
you know, just
this was a useless kind of prosecution.
And so I think that it plays into that.
So I think that it'll be difficult
for for them
to kind of
figure out
how to
not take a too much of a victory lap,
but also, you know, highlight
the fact that this man is on trial
for many, you know, different crimes.