MY STATE OF COLORADO, YOU
REPRESENT IT WELL.
THANK YOU, SIR.
APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME SOME
TIME.
>>> JOINING ME NOW IS MATTHEW
DOWD, FOUNDERS OF COUNTRY OVER
PARTY.
YOU HAVE BEEN BRILLIANT ON THIS.
YOUVE BEEN SCARED BUT SCARING
IS CARING SO I APPRECIATE THAT
YOUVE SAID ABOUT DEMOCRACY.
YOU HAVE SAID THAT THERE SHOULD
BE A PRESIDENTIAL COMMISSION ON
DEMOCRACY.
I DONT DISAGREE WITH YOU.
IF WE CANT EVEN GET A
COMMISSION, AND THE PRESIDENT
HAS SAID HES NOT GOING TO DO A
BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION OF HIS
OWN ON JANUARY 6th, WHAT ELSE
CAN BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE FULL TRUTH OF JANUARY 6th
COMES OUT IN YOUR VIEW?
>> WELL, THE FIRST PART OF THE
THING IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT
THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE
OF OUR TIME AND I THINK ITS THE
MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THE LAST
150 YEARS SINCE THE CIVIL WAR
BECAUSE WERE AT THAT POINT IN
OUR HISTORY WHERE THIS COULD
REALLY FALL APART.
OUR GRAND EXPERIMENT COULD
COMPLETELY FALL APART.
SO I THINK THE PRESIDENT COULD
START WITH DEMONSTRATING EVERY
SINGLE DAY THIS IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR TIME.
I THINK APPOINTING THE VICE
PRESIDENT TO BE THE POINT PERSON
ON THIS, I THOUGHT A CABINET
PERSON BUT SHES BETTER.
SHES GREAT.
I THINK SHELL DO AWESOME.
I THINK THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
NEEDS TO WEIGH EVERY SINGLE
OPTION THAT THEY CAN USE TO
THROW A WRENCH INTO WHAT THE
STATES ARE DOING.
EVERY SINGLE OPTION THEY CAN
UTILIZE IN THIS.
>> YOU KNOW, YOUVE BEEN A
REPUBLICAN IN YOUR CAREER AND SO
YOUVE SEEN THE PARTY FROM THE
INSIDE OUT.
IM STRUCK BY THE -- I CAN STILL
REMEMBER, IM OLD ENOUGH TO
REMEMBER THE WAY PEOPLE TALKED
ABOUT BILL CLINTONS ELECTION AS
BEING FRAUDULENT.
HE DIDNT MAKE 50%, HE WAS
ILLEGITIMATE.
THE DRIVE TO IMPEACH HIM BEGAN
THE MINUTE HE GOT THERE.
CONGRESSMAN BARR I BELIEVE IT
WAS OF GEORGIA.
THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH
PRESIDENT OBAMA.
EVEN CALLING HIM -- SAYING THAT
HE WASNT EVEN BORN IN THE
UNITED STATES.
A WHOLE MOVEMENT THAT DONALD
TRUMP PARTICIPATED IN.
SO THIS IDEA IS NOT NEW THAT
DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS, BECAUSE
ITS BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE AND
PEOPLE OF COLOR AND YOUNGER
PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR THEM, THOSE
ARENT REAL AMERICANS SO THATS
NOT LEGITIMATE.
DO YOU THINK THAT THE ONE THING
THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO ERASE THAT
AS A TEMPTATION IS WHAT YOU
HEARD CONGRESSMAN CROW SAY.
IF YOU CAN PASS S-1 AND SAY
WERE GOING TO TAKE THIS OFF THE
TABLE.
WHEN YOU TURN 18, EVERYONE IS
REGISTERED TO VOTE.
THE SAME WAY YOU GET A SOCIAL
SECURITY CARD, YOURE ALREADY
REGISTERED BECAUSE THE
GOVERNMENT KNOWS WHO YOU ARE.
JUST TAKE THE WHOLE REGISTRATION
OFF THE TABLE SO WE START OUT
WITH EVERYBODY ALREADY
REGISTERED.
IS THAT MAYBE A SOLUTION?
>> WELL, I MEAN IVE ALWAYS
BEEN -- I DID DEMOCRATIC
CAMPAIGNS BEFORE I DID GEORGE
BUSH AND ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER,
AND IVE ALWAYS BEEN AN ADVOCATE
OF THE MORE PEOPLE THAT VOTE THE
BETTER BECAUSE IT LEGITIMIZES AN
ELECTION SO LETS MAKE IT AS
EASY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL BELIEVE IN
THE RESULT IF MORE PEOPLE VOTE.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE
REPUBLICAN AND THE DEMOCRATIC
POSITION ON THIS.
BUT I THINK WERE -- AGAIN, JOY,
I THINK WERE AT SUCH A PERILOUS
MOMENT IN THIS.
AND IM ACTUALLY TODAY MORE
UPSET NOT AT THE MENDACITY OUT
OF THE MAD KING FROM MAR-A-LAGO,
IM MORE UPSET ABOUT THE PEOPLE
THAT SORT OF CENTRIST AND
MODERATES WHO SORT OF WANT TO
PRESERVE SOME TRADITION IN THIS
AND SAY THEYRE FOR DEMOCRACY
BUT REALLY THEY DONT FIGHT FOR
IT IN THE WAY WE NEED THEM TO
FIGHT FOR IT.
AS YOU KNOW, MARTIN LUTHER KING
TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT AND HE
BASICALLY SAID THE BIGGEST
PROBLEM WAS NOT THE
SEGREGATIONISTS, THE BIGGEST
PROBLEM WERE AMERICANS OF GOOD
CONSCIENCE WHO DIDNT HAVE THE
COURAGE TO STAND UP IN THE
MOMENT.
THEY TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT THEY
DIDNT HAVE THE COURAGE.
AND SO TO ME, JOE BIDEN, I KNOW
HES GOING TO DO THIS AND WE ALL
NEED TO DO THIS, NEED TO PUT
PRESSURE ON THE PEOPLE THAT SAY
THEYRE FOR DEMOCRACY.
THEY NEED TO WALK UP TO THE LINE
AND DO SOMETHING.
>> AMEN.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT.
I SCREAM THIS AT THE TV ALL DAY
LONG BECAUSE I SEE DEMOCRATS
SPEAKING, I SEE JOE MANCHIN, I
SEE KYRSTEN SINEMA STANDING
THERE NEXT TO JOHN CORNYN WHO
VOTED AGAINST THE COMMISSION AS
IF EVERYTHING IS NORMAL, AS IF
THIS IS FINE.
AS IF THERES GOING TO BE A BACK
DOOR MEETING AND THEYLL SMOKE A
CIGAR AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT
ON A BILL.
ITS AS IF DEMOCRATS ARE NOT AS
ALARMED BY HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO
LOSING OUR DEMOCRACY AS THEY
SHOULD BE BECAUSE THEYRE ON THE
FRONT LINES OF IT.
THEY CAN SEE IT.
THEY WERE THERE IN THE CAPITOL.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THIS SORT
OF NORM CORE DEMOCRATIC RESPONSE
IS WELL JUST FIND SOME
BIPARTISANSHIP SOMEWHERE?
I DONT GET IT.
>> WELL, I THINK DEMOCRATS -- I
MEAN MY VIEW OF IT, DEMOCRATS
HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE LAST PEOPLE
TO SAY WE NEED SERIOUS REFORM,
SERIOUS STRUCTURAL CHANGE.
THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LIKE WE
CAN MAKE IT WORK AND WELL HAVE
BIPARTISANSHIP WHILE REPUBLICANS
ARE THROWING OIL OVER THE WALLS
AND LAUNCHING ALL KINDS OF
MORTARS AT THE THING AND
DEMOCRATS ARE LIKE WELL MAKE IT
ALL HAPPEN.
I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT --
ONE, WE NEED TO HAVE
DEMOCRATS -- THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY TO ME IS THE ONLY PARTY
TODAY THAT CAN STOP THIS FROM
HAPPENING.
ITS NOT A VEHICLE THROUGH THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
YOURE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
ITS GONE.
I DONT CARE WHAT LIZ CHENEY
SAYS.
SHE NEEDS TO GET OUT OF HER
DELUSION. IT IS GONE.
IT IS GONE.
THAT IS A PARTY OF AUTOCRACY.
THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONLY PARTY
TO DO THAT.
IF WE DONT GET PEOPLE LIKE
KYRSTEN SINEMA AND JOE MANCHIN
STANDS UP AND SAY FILIBUSTER,
FILIBUSTER.
THEY OUGHT TO RESEARCH THE
HISTORY BECAUSE IT WAS USED TO
KEEP PEOPLE FROM HAVING RIGHTS
INHIS COUNTRY.
THATS WHERE WERE AT.
I THINK UNTIL DEMOCRATS
UNDERSTAND THIS IS A FOUR-ALARM
FIRE.
ITS A FOUR-ALARM FIRE AND THE
MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR
TIME, THEYRE NOT GOING TO GET
INFRASTRUCTURE DONE, THEYRE NOT
GOING TO GET TAX REFORM DONE,
THEYRE NOT GOING TO GET HEALTH
CARE REFORM DONE, THEYRE NOT
GOING TO GET ANY OF THAT IF OUR
DEMOCRACY FALLS AND VOTERS DONT
HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO TO THE
POLLS.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT SCARES ME THE
MOST, MATTHEW?
THAT PEOPLE LIKE KYRSTEN SINEMA
AND JOE MANCHIN ACTUALLY ARE NOT
ON THE SIDE THAT WE ARE ON.
THAT THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE
FUTURE THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE IN
MIND.
THATS WHAT SCARES ME.
IM NOT ACCUSING THEM OF THAT, I
DONT KNOW THEM PERSONALLY.
BUT UNTIL THEY CONVINCE ME
OTHERWISE THAT THEY REALLY CARE
MORE ABOUT DEMOCRACY THAN
HANGING ON TO THE FILIBUSTER
WHICH HAS THE HISTORY YOU
APPENDICITIS I BOTH KNOWAND I
BOTH KNOW, I DONT KNOW HOW TO
BELIEVE THEYRE ON THE SIDE OF
PRESERVING DEMOCRACY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.
I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO ASK
THEM, DO YOU FAVOR THE
CONTINUATION OF OUR DEMOCRACY
AND WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO
ABOUT IT?
I WISH THEY WOULD COME ON THE
SHOW AND I WOULD ASK THEM THAT.
MATTHEW DOWD -- GO ON, IM
SORRY.
GO AHEAD.
>> THEY SEEM TO CARE ABOUT GOING
TO A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OR
GOING TO SOME MEETING IN
WASHINGTON LIKE ITS JUST THE
NORM.
WERE NOT IN THE NORM.
>> NO.
>> WERE NOT IN THE NORM.
>> WERE NOT.
>> SO YOUVE GOT TO GIVE UP ON
ALL OF THOSE PROPS THAT YOU
THOUGHT YOU COULD USE.
ITS OVER.
THE NORM IS OVER.