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>>> THOUSANDS OF TANKER CARS, FILLED WITH CRUDE OIL, ROLL
THROUGH OUR AREA EACH YEAR.
WHEN ACCIDENTS HAPPEN, IT CAN
BE DEVASTATING.
BE DEVASTATING. >> FIVE CARS EXPLODED.
AT LEAST 40 BUILDINGS WERE
DESTROYED.
DESTROYED. >> NOW OIL SHIPMENTS MOVING
THROUGH PORTLAND HAVE INCREASED
DRAMATICALLY.
DRAMATICALLY. CITY LEADERS ARE WORRIED.
>> THE COMMUNITY IS AT RISK
FROM THE INCREASED NUMBER OF
OIL TRAINS GOING THROUGH THE
COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY. >> WHILE ENERGY OFFICIALS
PERSIST THAT THERE'S NOTHING
HARMFUL TO THE COMMUNITY.
>> I'M LAUREL PORTER.
PORTLAND LIKES TO THINK OF
ITSELF AS ECO FRIENDLY.
THE CITY EVEN PASSED A
MORATORIUM IN 2016 BANNING NEW
FOSSIL FUEL INFRASTRUCTURE.
NOW THERE'S GROWING CONCERN
ABOUT AN INCREASING NUMBER OF
OIL TRAINS PASSING THROUGH THE
REGION.
REGION.
REGION. THEY TRAVEL FROM VANCOUVER TO
PORTLAND AND WIND THROUGH
PORTLAND NEIGHBORHOODS ENDING
UP AT A RAIL YARD BETWEEN
FOREST PARK AND THE WHALAMATH
RIVER.
RIVER.
RIVER. A
RIVER. A LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE
RESIDENTS ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR.
TODAY WE TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT
OIL TRAINS.
OIL TRAINS. WHY ARE WE SEEING MORE OF THEM.
AND WHAT RISKS DO THEY POSE TO
THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY. HERE TO GIVE US SOME INSIGHT,
GORDON FREEMAN.
GORDON FREEMAN. WELCOME BACK GORDON.
THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
>> HAPPY TO BE BACK.
>> DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WILL BE
SURPRISED TO LEARN HOW MANY OIL
TRAINS COME THROUGH THE REGION.
>> I THINK THEY PROBABLY WOULD
BE.
BE.
BE. IT
BE. IT DEPENDS ON HOW OFTEN THEY
TRAVEL AROUND THE AREA WHERE
TRAINS TRAVEL.
TRAINS TRAVEL. I HAVE SEEN AN UP TICK OF
TRAINS.
TRAINS.
TRAINS. IN TERMS OF THE RAW NUMBERS
THEY PROBABLY WOULD BE
SURPRISED.
SURPRISED. IT WAS RELATIVELY A SMALL
AMOUNT AND NOW WE'RE SEEING
HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF TANK
CARS THAT COME THROUGH ON AN
ANNUAL BASIS.
ANNUAL BASIS. >> WE DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE.
WE PULLED SOME NUMBERS FROM
ODOT BURLINGTON FROM VANCOUVER
TO NORTH PORTLAND INCREASED
FROM TWO IN 2006 2006 -- 2016
AND YOU SEE THE NUMBER IN 2018.
IT WENT FROM 6,833 TRAINS IN
2016 TO 6,944 IN 2018.
AND YOUR REPORTING SHOWED MOST
OF THOSE SHIPMENTS CONTAINED
SOMETHING CALLED CANADIAN
DILBIT.
DILBIT.
DILBIT. GORDON WHY ARE WE SEEING THIS
INCREASE IN OIL TRAINS?
>> THERE ARE COMPLEX MARKET
FORCES AT WORK AND ESSENTIALLY
THERE'S A LOT OF OIL BEING
PRODUCED IN ALBERTA CANADA.
IT'S TAR SANDS, CRUDE OIL, AND
THERE'S NOT A PIPELINE FROM
WHERE THE OIL IS PRODUCED TO
THE WEST COAST.
AND SO THE WAY THAT THE OIL
GETS TO SHIPPING TERMINALS AND
THEN TO ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD
IS BY RAIL.
AND AS THE SUPPLY OF THIS CRUDE
OIL HAS INCREASED THERE'S BEEN
A DEMAND FOR COMPANIES TO
BASICALLY PROVIDE THE LOGISTICS
TO PROVIDE THE OIL TO GET TO
THE MARKET.
THE MARKET. BASICALLY THAT'S WHY WE'RE
SEEING THE TRAINS COMING.
AND THAT'S WHY ZENITH ENERGY
HAS COME TO PORTLAND AND GOTTEN
THE FOOTHOLD.
THE FOOTHOLD. >> LET'S DIG INTO WHAT ZENITH
OIL IS AND WE HAVE A MAP OF
WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN NORTH
PORTLAND.
PORTLAND.
PORTLAND. MANY OF THESE TRAINS THEIR
FINAL DESTINATION IS ZENITH
OIL.
OIL.
OIL. IT
OIL. IT STARTED RECEIVING TRADE
SHIPMENTS OF CRUDE LAST YEAR.
AS YOU MENTIONED GORDON ZENITH
CALLS ITSELF A FACILITATOR OF
THE OIL, A LOGISTICS COMPANY.
IT HANDLES THE OIL BUT DOESN'T
OWN IT.
OWN IT.
OWN IT. IT HANDLES IT FOR ITS
CUSTOMERS, IT STORES IT AND
MAKES SURE IT SAFELY GETS TO
THEIR TRUCKS OR SEA VESSELS BUT
THEY DON'T CONTROL THE ROUT.
THEY DON'T CONTROL THE RAILROAD
THAT'S UP TO THE FEDS.
TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT
ZENITH ENERGY.
ZENITH ENERGY. >> ZENITH ENERGY IS A HOUSTON
BASED OIL COMPANY.
ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE LARGE TANKS
THAT HOLD MILLIONS OF GALLONS
COLLECTIVELY OF DIFFERENT
PETROLEUM PRODUCTS.
PETROLEUM PRODUCTS. THEY ACCEPT THOSE PETROLEUM
PRODUCTS IN BY RAIL OR BY
TRUCK.
TRUCK.
TRUCK. AND THEN GET THEM OUT, EITHER
BY SHIP OR TRUCK.
AND THE COMPANY IS OWNED BY A
HEDGE FUND CALLED WARBERT
PINKUS IT'S A BIG INTERNATIONAL
COMPANY.
COMPANY.
COMPANY. >> AND TIMOTHY GEITHNER IS
INVOLVED.
INVOLVED.
INVOLVED. >> HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF
WARBERT PINKUS.
WARBERT PINKUS. ZENITH IS ONE SMALL PORTION OF
THAT COMPANY'S OVER ALL ENERGY
BUSINESS PLAN.
BUSINESS PLAN. BUT COLLECTIVELY ZENITH HANDLES
MANY MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF
CRUDE OIL AND IT'S TRUE THEY
DON'T OWN THE OIL.
THEY DON'T CONTROL WHERE IT
GOES.
GOES.
GOES. BUT
GOES. BUT THEY ARE A MIDDLEMAN THAT
PLAYS A ROLE IN THE OIL EXPORT
MARKET.
MARKET.
MARKET. >> HERE'S A LOOK AT THE ROUTE
THAT THESE TRAINS TAKE.
THIS IS FROM A GRAPHIC FROM
YOUR ARTICLE THE OREGONIAN
PROVIDED FOR US.
YOU LEARNED THESE TRAINS COME
DOWN FROM ALBERTA CANADA TO
MONTANA.
MONTANA.
MONTANA. FOLLOW THE CANADIAN RIVER
TOWARD PORTLAND.
TOWARD PORTLAND. THEY CROSS THE RIVER NEAR I5.
ROLL BY SMITH AND WETLANDS AND
THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS IN ST.
JOHNS, PORTSMOUTH AND ARRIVE IN
INDUSTRIAL NORTHWEST PORTLAND.
SOME OF THOSE TRAINS GORDON ARE
100 CARS LONG.
WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY
THEY'RE MOVING FAST AREN'T
THEY.
THEY.
THEY. >>
THEY. >> THAT'S RIGHT THE TRAINS GO
THROUGH THE GORGE AT
APPROXIMATELY 50 MILES PER
HOUR.
HOUR.
HOUR. IF
HOUR. IF YOU'RE ON THE WASHINGTON
SIDE, YOU KNOW COMING BACK FROM
A TRIP THROUGH THE GORGE YOU
MIGHT SEE ONE.
I SAW ONE WAS DRIVING NEXT TO
IT.
IT.
IT. IT
IT. IT WAS GOING ABOUT AS FAST AS
WE WERE IN THE CAR.
AND IT'S KIND OF SOMETHING TO
BEHOLD IF YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT
BEFORE.
BEFORE.
BEFORE. THEY'RE HUGE AND PRETTY FAST.
YEAH.
YEAH.
YEAH. >>
YEAH. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE
TRAINS ARE CARRYING.
SOMETHING IT'S NOT SWEET CRUDE.
IT'S CANADIAN TAR SANDS CRUDE
THAT'S DILUTED.
THAT'S DILUTED. A SHORT NAME FOR THAT IS
DILBIT.
DILBIT.
DILBIT. I
DILBIT. I ASKED ZENITH REPRESENTATIVES
TO BE ON THE SHOW BUT ALL OF
THEIR EXECUTIVES ARE IN HOUSTON
SO THEY SENT ME A FACT SHEET.
SO WE'LL PUT SOME STATEMENTS TO
GET THEIR POINT OF VIEW.
IT SAYS SHORTLY AFTER ACQUIRING
THE PORTLAND TERMINAL ZENITH
CHOSE NOT TO RENEW THAT
CONTRACT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
BITIMAN CRUDE.
BITIMAN CRUDE. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FIT THE
LONG TERM BUSINESS PLAN THAT
ZENITH HAS FOR THE TERMINAL.
ZENITH DOES STORE BITMIT CRUDE.
IN PORTLAND A LARGE PART OF OUR
CURRENT BUSINESS PLAN IS
TARGETED AT ATTRACTING
RENEWABLE FUELS INCLUDING
RENEWABLE DIESEL, AND ETHENOL.
WE AGREE WITH LOWER CARBON
FUELS AND OUR GOAL IS FOR
ZENITH TO BE THE HUB IN THE
PORTLAND AREA.
PORTLAND AREA. WHAT DO YOU MAKE ABOUT THEIR
STATEMENT ABOUT THEIR LONG TERM
PLAN AND CAN YOU TELL US MORE
ABOUT WHAT DILLBIT IS.
>> IT MAY VERY WELL BE TRUE
THAT ZENITH WOULD LIKE TO BE
THE PREMIER BIO DIESEL
FACILITATOR IN THE AREA.
AND EVENTUALLY THERE'S PROBABLY
GOING TO BE A BIGGER AND BIGGER
MARKET FOR THAT.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S REALLY THE
FACILITY IS DOING CRUDE OIL.
AND DILLBIT AND BITAMEN I KNOW
IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED OR
TECHNICAL.
TECHNICAL. BUT BITAMEN IS THE PEANUT
BUTTER VERY THICK SAND TAR OIL
THAT COMES OUT OF CANADA.
DILBIT IS THE SAME THING BUT
IT'S DILUTED THAT'S THINNER SO
IT CAN PUMP OUT WITH EASE.
BOTH OF THOSE CRUDE OILS ARE
DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE MIGHT
THINK OF AS THE STUFF THAT
GUSHES OUT OF WELLS IN THE
GROUND IN THAT IT'S SANDS
BASICALLY.
BASICALLY. AND IT HAS THE SAND PARTICLES
AND THEY HAVE AN INHALATION HA
-- HAZARD.
-- HAZARD. IF THE OIL WERE TO SPILL IT
CONTAINS BENZENE.
CONTAINS BENZENE. HYDROGEN SULPHITE.
HYDROGEN SULPHITE. BUT IT'S NOT EXPLOSIVE LIKE THE
SWEET CRUDE THE THINGS WE THINK
OF WHEN WE THINK OF OIL WELLS.
>> WITH ALL THESE OIL TRAINS
COMING THROUGH THE REGION,
MAYOR WHEELER WAS ON STRAIGHT
TALK.
TALK.
TALK. HERE'S MORE OF WHAT HE SAID.
>> THE ANSWER IS YES, THE
COMMUNITY IS AT RISK FROM THE
OIL TRAINS GOING THROUGH THE
COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY. WE SAW A DERAILMENT OF A 96 CAR
TRAIN IN MOZIER A COUPLE OF
YEARS AGO.
YEARS AGO. WE'RE STILL PAYING THE
CONSEQUENCES FROM THAT.
IN A TOWN IN QUEBEC CANADA, A
TRAIN DERAILED AND BURNED THE
TOWN TO THE GROUND AND KILLED
87 PEOPLE.
87 PEOPLE. WE HAVE THESE TRAINS GOING
THROUGH HIGHLY POPULATED AREAS
OF OUR CITY.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY
WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT RISK.
>>> SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF
THESE ACCIDENTS, ONE CLOSE TO
HOME THE ONE IN MOZIER IN 2016.
THAT WAS A UNION PACIFIC TRAIN
CARRYING SWEET CRUDE.
IT DERAILED IN THE GORGE IN THE
TOWN OF MOZIER.
NOBODY WAS HURT, BUT MORE THAN
10,000-POUND OF OIL WAS
SPILLED.
SPILLED.
SPILLED. OFFICIALS TOLD YOU IN YOUR
REPORTING IT COULD HAVE BEEN A
LOT WORSE.
LOT WORSE. >> IT COULD HAVE.
THESE ACCIDENTS ARE REALLY
DIFFICULT TO PREDICT.
AND EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND
YOU KNOW SOMETHING CAN BE NOT
SO SERIOUS AND BUT THERE'S
ALWAYS THAT POTENTIAL FOR WHAT
OFFICIALS CALL THE WORSE CASE
SCENARIO.
SCENARIO.
SCENARIO. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY PRACTICED
FOR.
FOR.
FOR. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO
PRACTICE FOR.
PRACTICE FOR. BUT YOU KNOW, AN ACCIDENT WITH
AN OIL TRAIN IS SERIOUS BECAUSE
WHEN THE TRAIN IS DERAILED OR
IF IT'S SLAMMING INTO
SOMETHING.
SOMETHING. THERE'S HUGE POTENTIAL FOR THE
OIL TO SPILL OFF THE RAILWAYS.
IF IT'S NEAR A POPULATION
CENTER THEN YOU HAVE THIS
SITUATION WHERE LIKELY YOU NEED
TO EVACUATE.
TO EVACUATE. LARGE AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE AND
THERE COULD BE OTHER
ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS.
ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS. IT'S REALLY KIND OF A TENUOUS
SITUATION WHEN THAT HAPPENS
EVERYONE IF THERE'S NOT A FIRE.
>> THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN
QUEBEC, A DEVASTATING ACCIDENT
THERE AN OIL TRAIN DERAILMENT
CAUSED A FIRE EXPLOSION THAT
KILLED 47 PEOPLE.
THE MAYOR MENTIONED THAT.
THAT WAS CARRYING SWEET CRUDE
WHICH IS AS YOU'VE TOLD US MORE
EXPLOSIVE THAN WHAT ZENITH IS
DEALING WITH.
DEALING WITH. THERE WAS ANOTHER ACCIDENT THAT
DEALT WITH THE DILBIT AND THAT
WAS IN CALAMAZOO RIVER IN
MICHIGAN.
MICHIGAN.
MICHIGAN. TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED THERE.
HAPPENED THERE. >> THERE WAS A MASSIVE OIL
SPILL IN THE CALAMAZOO RIVER.
AND IN SHORT, YOU KNOW IT
DAMAGED THE WATERWAY.
IT KILLED WILDLIFE AND INSECTS
AND OFFICIALS ARE STILL
CLEANING IT UP YEARS LATER.
IT'S COST MORE THAN A BILLION
DOLLARS TO CLEAN THAT UP THAT
WAS A PIPELINE ACCIDENT AND WE
REPORTED THAT STUDIES HAVE
ACTUALLY SHOWN TRAINS ARE MORE
DANGEROUS THAN PIPELINES AND
WHEN THERE ARE ACCIDENTS THEY
TEND TO BE WORSE THAN A
PIPELINE ACCIDENT.
PIPELINE ACCIDENT. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS
WHERE YOU KNOW YOU OF COURSE
DON'T WANT AN OIL SPILL TO
HAPPEN AND WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN
THE EFFECTS JUST HAVE LONG
TALES, YEARS LATER YOU STILL
COULD BE DEALING WITH THE
EFFECTS.
EFFECTS.
EFFECTS. THAT COMES FROM THE GASES THAT
COME OFF OF THE OIL AND PEOPLE
INHALING THEM.
INHALING THEM. >> THIS IS WHAT ZENITH SAYS
ABOUT SAFETY.
ABOUT SAFETY. WE'RE PROVIDING A CLEAN WORK
SPACE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
THIS IS PART OF WHAT THEY SAID
TO YOU AND YOU QUOTED IN YOUR
OREGONIAN ARTICLE.
OREGONIAN ARTICLE. WE DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT
THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL
HAZARDS BROUGHT BY CANADIAN
DILBIT.
DILBIT.
DILBIT. THE CHANCE OF HYDROGEN SULPHITE
AND ZENITH OIL IS MINUSCULE.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO
OVERCOME A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT.
WHAT IS THE RISK OF DILBIT TO
OUR COMMUNITY?
OUR COMMUNITY? >> THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
THERE'S BEEN NO REPORT OF AN
OIL SPILL WHILE THAT COMPANY
HAS OWNED THE FACILITY IN
NORTHWEST PORTLAND.
NORTHWEST PORTLAND. BUT IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER
OF IT BEING IN BLACK AND WHITE
THAT THIS OIL IS DIFFERENT THAN
OTHER KINDS OF OIL.
AND THE COMPANY ACTUALLY HAS TO
PROVIDE STATE REGULATORS.
NOT ONLY IS IT HIGHLY
FLAMMABLE.
FLAMMABLE. IT'S VERY TOXIC, IT'S A
RESPIRATORY HAZARD IT'S AN
INHALANT HAZARD AND OTHER TYPES
OF OIL DON'T CARRY THAT RISK.
I THINK ANYONE WHO WOULD BE
POTENTIALLY WORKING NEAR ONE OF
THESE FACILITIES OR LIVING NEAR
WHERE THE TRAINS COME, IT
DOESN'T PROVIDE COMFORT THE
IDEA WELL PERHAPS THERE WON'T
BE AN INHALATION HAZARD IN THE
SAFETY DATA SHEET.
THE FIRST STEP FOR WHEN THERE
IS A SPILL IS TO EVACUATE THE
IMMEDIATE AREA BECAUSE OF THE
INHALATION HAZARD.
INHALATION HAZARD. THAT'S IN THE COMPANY'S OWN
INFORMATION THAT IT PROVIDES TO
REGULATORS.
REGULATORS. >>> THERE'S SOME CONTROVERSY
TOO ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
THE ZENITH FACILITY REGARDING
CONSTRUCTION.
CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE SOME DRONE VIDEO THAT
WE TOOK FROM DRONE 8. AS YOU
LOOK AT THE FACILITY WE CAN
TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE BUILDING
THREE NEW RAIL PLATFORMS
REPORTS SAY IT WILL NEARLY
QUADRUPLE THE SITES CAPACITY.
AND DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF OIL
TRAINS MOVING THROUGH
PORTLAND.
PORTLAND.
PORTLAND. AND WE ALSO HAVE VIDEO OF
PEOPLE PROTESTING.
PEOPLE PROTESTING. THEY PLANTED A SMALL GARDEN
BETWEEN THE ROAD AND ROADWAY.
DIDN'T BLOCK THE ROADWAY BUT
ENOUGH THAT THEY COULD NOT RUN
TRAINS THROUGH THEM.
A NUMBER OF PROTESTERS SAT ON
THE RAILROAD AND WERE ARRESTED.
I WANT TO READ A STATEMENT FROM
THEM ABOUT EXPANSION.
UPON PURCHASING THE TERMINAL,
ZENITH TOOK ON A PROJECT TO
MODERNIZE THE FACILITY MAKING
IT SAFER TO WORKERS.
CONTRARY TO WHAT IS BEING
REPORTED, ZENITH IS NOT
EXPANDING THE TERMINAL.
THE TERMINAL WILL STILL HOLD 44
RAIL CARTS.
RAIL CARTS. WE'RE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL
TERMINALS?
TERMINALS? >> IT'S A MATTER OF SYMANTICS.
YES THE FACILITY CAN HOLD 44
RAIL CARTS.
RAIL CARTS. THEY CAN ONLY OFF LOAD AT ONE
TIME 12 OF THEM WITH THIS
UPGRADE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO
UNLOAD 44 AT ONE TIME.
AND THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO
ALLOW THEM TO EXPORT MORE OIL.
OR FACILITATE MORE OIL EXPORTS.
THE COMPANY THAT USED TO OWN
THE FACILITY IN DISCLOSURES
FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES HAS
DESCRIBED THIS PROJECT AS A WAY
TO INCREASE THROUGHPUT AND YOU
KNOW, BEFORE ZENITH WAS HERE
AND DEALING WITH CRUDE OIL,
THERE WERE VERY FEW OCEAN GOING
EXPORTS OUT OF THE FACILITY.
AND SINCE THEY'VE BEEN THERE
THERE'S BEEN MORE.
SO, IS THIS UPGRADE AN
EXPANSION OR IS IT A
MODERNIZATION OR IS IT BOTH?
I MEAN, IT'S DEFINITELY I GOT A
TOUR OF THE FACILITY AND IT
DEFINITELY IS A MODERNIZATION
AND IT'S NEW FIRE SUPPRESSION
EQUIPMENT AND SAFETY EQUIPMENT
AND THAT'S DEFINITELY TRUE.
BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS THE COMPANY
TO OFF LOAD MORE CRUDE OIL AT
ONE TIME AND THEY'VE TOLD THE
STATE THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE
MORE OF THEIR TANKS AND FILL
THEM WITH CRUDE OIL.
>> AND THEY WILL SAY THAT
THEY'RE OPERATING WITHIN THEIR
2014 PERMIT.
2014 PERMIT. SO DOING NOTHING WRONG.
>> YES, THEY ARE.
AND THAT'S THE THING.
THERE'S NO INSINUATION THAT
THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL,
BREAKING ANY RULES.
THEY'RE PERFECTLY WITHIN THEIR
RIGHT TO DO EVERYTHING THEY'VE
DONE.
DONE.
DONE. IT
DONE. IT JUST IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND IT'S WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE
WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS SORT OF
THE CONTROVERSY.
THE CONTROVERSY. >> WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT
GORDON AND ABOUT A CONTROVERSY
INVOLVING A DRILL THEY DID FOR
THE DEQ.
THE DEQ.
THE DEQ. BUT THAT'S COMING UP AFTER THE
BREAK.
BREAK.
BREAK. WE'RE BACK WITH TWO