PAINFULLY BROKEN AREAS AT WELL,
THAT IS THE MEL MEMO.
>> THESE CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN
HOPE TO KILL IT BEFORE THEN.
IT CAN'T BE REAUTHORIZED.
JOINING ME NOW, ONE OF THE
COSPONSORS, WELCOME BACK.
>> HEY.
KENNEDY: TELL ME ABOUT THIS DO
YOU BELIEVE THAT THE NSA IS NO
LONGER COLLECTING METADATA?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT BY
PASSING THIS LEGISLATION AND
TRYING TO EXPAND OVERSIGHT.
I THINK SOME OF THAT OVERSIGHT
HAS TO COME IN ANOTHER BILL THAT
WE'LL BE WORKING ON.
THIS BILL AT LEAST LETS US
ELIMINATE PROGRAM ON PAPER, THAT
REPORTS SAY THEY ARE NOT USE
ANYTHING MORE.
AND WHICH IS SCOOPING UP A LOT
OF DATA THAT SHOULD NOT BE
SCOOPING UP?
ABSOLUTELY.
THEY HAVE RELIEDED THEY WERE
ILLEGALLY TAKING IN SO MUCH
INFORMATION THEY STOPPED AND
THEY HAD NOWHERE TO STORE IT.
THE LAW WAS AMENDED IN 2015, SO
THEY HAD TO GET ACCESS FROM
PHONE COMPANIES WHO WERE STORING
ON THEIR SERVERS INSTEAD OF NSA
STORING METTA DATA, AND
METADATA, THAT MEANS SO
DIFFERENT NOW THAN IT WAS 15
YEARS AGO.
YOU KNOW OR 18 YEARS AGO WHEN WE
STARTED THE SORT OF MASS
SURVEILLANCE STATE THAT HAS
GROWN OUT OF CONTROL.
SO, THIS IS REALLY ONLY A FIRST
STEP ISN'T IT?
>> IT IS A FIRST STEP.
AND WHEN THE USA FREEDOM ACT WAS
BEING DISCUSSED I WAS ONE OF THE
OPPONENTS OF LEGISLATION THAT
REAUTHORIZED THAT THE PROGRAM, A
POINT I MADE IT, IT WOULD EXPAND
PROGRAM AND ALLOW GOVERNMENT TO
ACCESS MORE DATA.
IT SEEMS THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED,
THIS IS A FIRST STEP.
TO STOP GOVERNMENT FROM
COLLECTING DATA, ON AN ON GOING
BASES AND USING WHAT ARE CALLED
HOPS, WHERE THEY GO AFTER
SOMEONE WHO IS TALKING TO
SOMEONE WHO IS IN THE INITIAL
COLLECTION.
RIGHT NOW THE GOVERNMENT IS
GOING A FEW HOTS OUT THIS WOULD
ELIMINATE THAT, BUT WE NEED
MOREOVER SITE, THERE HAS TO BE
MORE TRANSPARENCY AND THERE IS
STILL LIKE NOT MUCH WE KNOW
ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
KENNEDY: THAT -- THAT IS -- THAT
IS THE THING.
WE DON'T KNOW SO MUCH OF THIS.
DONE IN SECRET, AND SO MANY
PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOUGHT TO
REAUTHORIZE AND CRAFT THE PIECES
OF LEGISLATION, THEY ARE THE
ONES WHO ACT SURPRISE IT HAS
BEEN ABUSED BY THE CIA, AND FBI.
AND THE NSA.
THEY ARE ONES WHO ARE SO UPSET
THIS PRESIDENT HAS BEEN A TARGET
OF THE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMS,
THAT HAS TO BE FRUSTRATING FOR
YOU?
>> YEAH, NOBODY SHOULD BE
SURPRISED ABOUT IT I SOUNDED
ALARM SENATOR PAUL WAS SOUNDING
THE ALARM AND SENATOR WIDEN.
IN HOUSE SOUNDING IT.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS YEARS
AGO.
TO BRING UP POINT ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT SIGNED IN
LAW FISA 702 REAUTHORIZING A
LAST YEAR -- OR A COUPLE YEARS
AGO, THAT WAS A REA PROGRAM JUST
AS -- REAUTHORIZATION OF A
PROGRAM JUST AS BAD AS THIS, AND
A WEEK LATER PEOPLE WITHIN ON TV
SAYING IT SUCH A BIG DEAL, SO
CONCERNING.
>> CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT, AFTER
DEVIN NUNES AND PEOPLE JUST LIKE
HIM, WERE SCREAMING FROM THE
MOUNTAIN TOPS HOW WE HAD TO
REAUTHORIZE THIS
UNCONSTITUTIONAL NONSENSE.
YOU HAVE A LOT TO CHANGE IN
WASHINGTON, YOUR NAME HAS BEEN
BANDIED ABOUT TO POTENTIALLY RUN
TO THE LIB
TO THE -IB
TO THE --B
TO THE -- LIBERTARIAN TICKET FOR
PRESIDENT IN 2020.
>> WELL, THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE SUGGESTING THAT --
>> YOU ARE SMILING YOU LIKE
THAT.
>> I WOULD SAY, I'M FOCUSED ON
MY WORK, I'M TRYING TO MAKE A
DIFFERENCE IN CONGRESS.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE A
PROBLEM WITH OUR TWO PARTY
SYSTEM.
KENNEDY: ABSOLUTELY.
>> I THINK PEOPLE CAN SEE IT IS
NOT GETTING JOB DONE.
KENNEDY: CONGRESS IS A SUCK
HOLE, IT IS A HORRIBLE PLACE, IF
YOU DEBATED BETO O'ROURKE, WHICH
OF YOU WOULD EMERGE VICTORYIOUS.
>> HE IS A NICE GUY, WE GOT
ALONG FIND IN CONGRESS.