>>> YOU INDICATED THAT YOU SAID TO HIM THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED
THAT THE DELAY IN THE AID WAS
TIED TO THE ISSUE OF
INVESTIGATIONS.
INVESTIGATIONS. IS THAT RIGHT?
>> I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I
SAID TO HIM.
THIS WAS A BRIEFING ATTENDED BY
MANY PEOPLE AND I WAS INVITED AT
THE VERY LAST MINUTE.
I WASN’T SCHEDULED TO BE THERE.
BUT I THINK I SPOKE UP AT SOME
POINT LATE IN THE MEETING AND
SAID IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING IS
BEING HELD UP UNTIL THESE
STATEMENTS GET MADE.
AND THAT’S WHY, YOU KNOW,
PERSONAL BELIEF.
PERSONAL BELIEF. >> AND VICE PRESIDENT PENCE JUST
NODDED HIS HEAD?
>> AGAIN, I DON’T RECALL ANY
EXCHANGE OR WHERE HE ASKED ME
ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK IT WAS SORT OF A DULY
NOTED --
NOTED -- >> WELL, HE DIDN’T SAY, GORDON,
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
>> NO, HE DID NOT.
>> HE DIDN’T SAY WHAT
INVESTIGATIONS?
INVESTIGATIONS? >> HE DID NOT.
>> HE DID NOT.
ANY OF US WHO ARE BRIEFED,
POLITICIANS, KNOW WHAT THAT
MEANS.
MEANS. AARON BLAKE AND JONATHAN SWAN.
WE ARE ALSO JOINED BY ANDREW
WEISSMANN.
WEISSMANN. WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING SOMETHING
SO EXTRAORDINARY.
SO EXTRAORDINARY. AND I ARTICULATED THIS ANXIETY I
HAVE ABOUT STARING AT TREES AND
MISSING THE FOREST.
BUT IF YOU CAN JUST PULL US BACK
TO THE FOREST ON WHAT HAPPENED
TODAY.
TODAY. >> THE MAIN THING THAT HAPPENED
IS YOU HAVE A WITNESS WHO SAID
THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO.
HE DIDN’T LINK ALL OF THE
PIECES, BUT HE LINKED ENOUGH OF
THEM THAT YOU COULD QUIBBLE WITH
ALL SORTS OF ENDS AND LITTLE
PIECES OF IT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU
HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WAS APPOINTED
BY THE PRESIDENT SAYING THAT HE
WAS LEVERAGING FOR HIS OWN
PERSONAL BENEFIT, AN
INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HE THEN
UNDERSTOOD WAS THE BIDENS, NOT
JUST BURISMA, BUT HE NOW
UNDERSTANDS HAVING LOOKED AT
EVERYTHING THAT THIS WAS AN
INVESTIGATION INTO A POLITICAL
OPPONENT.
OPPONENT. AND AS YOU JUST LAW IN THE LAST
SEGMENT, HE UNDERSTANDS THAT’S
WRONG AND IS SOMETHING THAT THE
PRESIDENT WAS DOING.
>> IF YOU HAD THESE FACTS ON A
GOVERNOR, COULD YOU INDICT ON
THESE FACTS?
THESE FACTS? >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS THE KIND OF CASE YOU
WOULD BRING.
WOULD BRING. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF WAYS OF
CHARGING THIS KIND OF CASE.
THE ONE THING THAT I THINK WAS
NOTABLE IN ESPECIALLY THE
OPENING STATEMENT WAS THAT YOU
HAD THE WITNESS TELLING YOU
THERE ARE DOCUMENTS OUT THERE,
GET THEM.
GET THEM. HE MADE A POINT OF WRAPPING
HIMSELF AROUND THE DOCUMENTS TO
CORROBORATE WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
AND SO THERE OBVIOUSLY ARE GOOD
REASONS WHY THE DEMOCRATS ARE
SAYING WE DON’T WANT TO GO DOWN
THAT ROAD AND WE DON’T WANT TO
GET INTO A RABBIT HOLE OF THE
COURT SYSTEM AND HOW LONG THAT
TAKES.
TAKES. I’M NOT SURE AT THIS POINT WITH
THIS WITNESS SAYING THERE/THERE.
YOU MAY NOT GET THEM IN TIME.
BUT THERE IS A REASON TO DO IT
EVEN IF YOU DON’T GET THEM IN
TIME WHICH IS THE WITNESSES WHO
ARE COMING UP KNOW THAT WHEN
THEY TELL YOU A STORY, THEY NEED
TO WORRY ABOUT SOME DAY THOSE
DOCUMENTS ARE GOING TO COME OUT.
>> AND ESPECIALLY THIS WITNESS.
AND I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
THIS.
THIS. OUR VIEWERS HAVE BEEN COVERING
EVERY TWIST AND TURN.
I THINK WE CAN GET IN THE WEEDS
A LITTLE BIT.
TALK ABOUT GORDON SONDLAND’S
ATTORNEY.
ATTORNEY. AND TALK ABOUT THAT LINE FROM
CONGRESSMAN MALONEY WHERE HE
SAYS BASICALLY THIS IS YOUR
THIRD TRY.
THIRD TRY. YOU SUBMITTED TO A CLOSED-DOOR
DEPOSITION.
DEPOSITION. IT WAS NOT YOUR COMPLETELY
ACCURATE TESTIMONY.
ACCURATE TESTIMONY. YOU SUBMITTED A THREE AND A HALF
PAGE ADDENDUM AND YOU SIT BEFORE
US TODAY WITH A TOTALLY
DIFFERENT, A WHOLLY DIFFERENT, A
POTENTIALLY GAME-CHANGING
POTENTIALLY GAME-CHANGING DIFFERENT ACCOUNT OF WHAT HAS
GONE ON.
GONE ON. WHAT DO YOU THINK SONDLAND’S
ATTORNEY SAID TO HIM?
WAS IT SORT OF LIKE THIS BETTER
BE THE FULL AND FINAL VERSION OF
THE TRUTH?
THE TRUTH? >> SO, A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN
PROSECUTORS AND DEFENSE LAWYERS.
I KNOW HIM WELL WHO IS HIS
LAWYER.
LAWYER. KNOWING BOB WHO YOU DO NOT GET
BETTER THAN BOB LESKIN.
THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND
THAT HE HAD A TOUGH-LOVE
CONVERSATION WITH HIM THAT SAID
YOU ARE COMING CLEAN NOW OR
ELSE, A, I’M NOT REPRESENTING
YOU OR, B, ALL BETS ARE OFF.
BASICALLY YOU ALREADY HAD ONE
BITE AT THE APPLE AND YOU SAW
WHAT HAPPENED.
WHAT HAPPENED. THERE ARE DOCUMENTS OUT THERE.
THERE ARE CREDIBLE WITNESSES OUT
THERE.
THERE. YOU BETTER TELL THE TRUTH.
AND THAT’S ALL YOU CAN REALLY DO
AS COUNSEL.
AS COUNSEL. THEN YOU HOPE THE WITNESS
FOLLOWS YOUR INSTRUCTIONS.