president model was on charlie rose is program and he's in defined
meneses fine program listless
point number one if your u_s_ person
than
and this is not listed in your phone calls
and it's not targeting your emails unless it's getting an individualized
border that's existing
one that was a really tackle issues they were
they are recording who you call
how long you called where you call from
answer
uh... number two
it appears basil leaves associated press uh...
reporting that they are reporting a college is not listening to it there now
yet they're banking all this data they're basically and that if you
believe the peace conceptually see this is
that creating a library
they don't read every book that's in the library they just collect them all
and they basically wait until sunday that they go back and decide how worried
that block and so they're just collecting all this what's problematic
again about this even if we take present old bum at his word okay about this and
those uh... that that the
and save
you know this is an honest agrees with and i wasn't it
we don't know in ten years what they're going to be using historic we know now
it's not just terrorism they're also looking at happy cyber hacking
eccentrics ever
we don't know what the eccentric ceres we don't know in five or ten years what
they're going to what we're gonna constant terrace we just don't know why
they did you guys are so they could be speaking tomorrow so i think it'd be you
know people who may be uh... protest in front of that
enormous g party uh... or party terrorist for that matter i mean
we we don't know and that's a function of
what future administrations you're doing but you know the n_s_a_ shouldn't be
is far as i know it shouldn't be authorized
anything mister massey whatsoever
yet that only chain deputies that would be true that
uh... before they were just was a click for details in fact
head of the essay nike knows that if you say although we're just right click
foreign donors last you are then why do you have my book analyzer
and so if you've got everybody's vote a library as even if you don't use them
all it's a great way to intimidate people who might wanna
but you know
put their hand up
yeah i know you might not want to have been abusing this library for in the
years to come
yet whether it's a day or a sense that ten years from now
here's a president defending a program for it
program number one
called the twenty-fifty broker
what that does is it gets data
from the service providers like liberace
invoke
and basically
you have
paul pierce you have
uh... my telephone number connecting with your telephone
there no names
there's no content in the database all others is
the number appears
uh... when those calls took place how long they took place at no point is any
content reveal because there's no count until i hear you saying i have no
problem of witnessing has been doing bollam implement let me finish because i
don't
so what happens then is is that the f_b_i_ if infected now wants to get
concept
if in fact it wants to
tapping that far
it's got to go to the fires of court
with probable cause and ask for a war
yet by the way looking up those phone numbers is
very challenging like you have to go the yellow pages not right you don't have to
reverse phone lookup and google iodine jade i would be really difficult
but but but
the the problem with this as well as that
section two fifteen is written so broadly and has been interpreted to all
out for this
it's not in this is what uh... you know we have heard
from this is what widened and udall we're saying
the way that the government is interpreting what we passed under
section two fifteen is far broader and would be shocking to americans that we
have to offer mera loretta sanchez got its own of in california chicken i think
visit of the iceberg
finishes at their hand that we've seen that clip cute she was just basically
like i don't know how to articulate this in a way
that doesn't have me uh...
you know breaking any national security allies but this is stunning she said
and so you know we got it man we got it we know what it is associated press
reported on it
there recording the calls are
they're keeping the emails are keeping all the website she went to
began magic desert i don't know about women
analog percent rate but is there a guy in the country
that has a gun or wrong website at some point ok and then if they've got that
book and they're doing decimal system
and you want to do anything you want it
protester government
being called up book up
anytime then they have all in all about
problem for those views of their close
rubble let me get a warrant alway look at that now i have all their information
not just
today what they did eleven years ago that's right that's right you will at
some point in show
and at that point there is nothing stopping
the f_b_i_ from taking that information and is going in visiting that protesters
say
you know that this would be problematic if people find out about this today them
and that's with theme party let alone groups that have already been targeted
throughout all these years
knows and brings up a comical
uh... bush years when they were target quakers for being twilight awesomely
violent betslip albright quaker is the opposite the vegans etcetera etcetera
and now you know look i a rescue knows nonsense but
is it possible that a democratic president more machiavellian might wanna
target the tea party
of course if possible
so if you're the tea party you should be
rejuvenated program right
establishment of that was so worried about that was already in power
but if you're not in power in you're not happy with this out was spent
believe me they are booked on you
because the ruble got alright though or i will more from the present
behold pointed
of
my concern before i was present
'cause some people say well nobama was this raving liberal before now he's you
know dick cheney dash a sometimes as a dog happy took that paul lock stock and
are my concern has always been
not that we shouldn't do intelligence-gathering to prevent
terrorism but rather are we setting up a systems of checks and balances so on
this telephone program
a federal court
e independent federal judges overseeing the entire program
and you've got congress overseeing the program not just the intelligence
committee not just the judiciary committee but all of congress had
available to work before the last reauthorization exactly how this program
works
uh... what leverage i mean
first off kudos charlie rose from really being tough in this internet univie ac
lives and as our president mom has been dying to come on the show right are only
one eleven uh... first of all the the idea that this you know as an
independent court
there's theirs
really tremendous opportunity for permitting clifford judge picking here
but also remember
this is not a court where you have in our legal system we always have someone
who is the the the plaintiff in the defendant or we have someone who's
advocating for the this is not a quart like this is basically a court that's
issuing bench warrants
essentially buddy in secret and also developing secret
to fifteen does not explicitly say that the government has the right
to hoover up all this information in this story in the case they need
it does not say that
this is an interpretation by this court
where no one was arguing the other side yet and and and and and the idea that
this is all the indigent in balances of congress
well i i i mean i think that's that's sort of laughable one we have uh...
congresspeople coming out of the like
as pretty stunning
would uh... with their guilt three quick things on that
uh... number one the bases we've got transparency we have the president
deposit cordis totally secret right it's not at all transponder okay
number two revise a court actually has an eighty six-page ruling against this
law but that is also secret
and think of personal and there's a lot of people's said look it is three other
cases that will lead us thus laws well but they said you don't have standing
so they got overturned on appeal because nobody has any but now we all have
standing right is now we know we're all being tapped right right right and so
luna actually filed the case on that based upon the fact that they
uh... use verizon businesses jet
so now those three cases come back and play with the legal address the issue
and as an eighty six-page ruling that mother jones uh... has written about
from the bodies of court saying don't do this right right and so and then finally
uh... president while they're basically bragging he's not
quite dick cheney
well congratulations to president best change we can believe