RNC AND AN MSNBC POLITICAL
ANALYST.
MARK, FIRST, LET ME PLAY, BEFORE
WE TALK, LET ME PLAY FOR YOU
SOMETHING THAT HARRY DUNN SAID
TO OUR COLLEAGUE JOY REID BACK
IN APRIL.
>> THE BATTLE, I GUESS, WAS JUST
DIFFERENT.
EVERYBODY WE FOUGHT PHYSICAL
FIGHTS AND WE WERE EMOTIONALLY
TESTED.
BUT TO HAVE RACISM REAR ITS UGLY
HEAD IN THERE, WHILE THE FIGHT
WAS HAPPENING, I DIDNT PROCESS
IT WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING.
SO ONCE ITS ALL OVER AND YOURE
ATTEMPTING TO PUT TOGETHER IN
YOUR MIND WHAT HAPPENED, YOU ARE
FACED WITH, WOW, WE REALLY WERE
CALLED THE "N" WORD.
ITS A LOT MORE TO UNPACK THAN
JUST, OH, THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL
TRAUMA WE ENDURED.
>> YOU KNOW, MARK, THAT POLICE
OFFICER PUT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE
THAT DAY FOR EVERY MEMBER OF
CONGRESS AND, FRANKLY, EVEN FOR
THEIR STAFF INCLUDING TUCKER
CARLSONS SON.
TALK ABOUT WHERE HE IS TODAY IN
TERMS OF DEALING WITH WHAT HE
HAD TO ENCOUNTER THAT DAY AND
HOW STRONGLY HE FEELS ABOUT THE
WAY TUCKER CARLSON SAID IT THAT
HE SOMEHOW WAS NOT AN AVERAGE
COP AND THAT SOMEHOW HE WASNT
LIKE OTHER POLICE OFFICERS.
SPEAK TO THAT.
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR.
YEAH, I CAN TELL YOU TUCKER
CARLSON, OFFICER DUNN WILL BE
SPEAKING FOR OTHER OFFICERS THAT
DAY SHARING A COMMON EXPERIENCE,
AND THAT COMMON EXPERIENCE IS
THEY ALMOST LOST THEIR LIVES AT
THE HANDS OF INSURRECTIONISTS
AND THEY COULDNT CARE LESS
WHETHER THEY WERE REPUBLICANS OR
DEMOCRATS ATTACKING THEM OR WHO
THEY WERE PROTECTING, AS WE SAID
IN OUR STATEMENT.
THEY SUFFERED A LOT PHYSICALLY.
SOME MORE THAN OTHERS.
MENTALLY A LOT ARE SUFFERING.
THERES A LOT OF PTSD.
LAW ENFORCEMENT, VERY OFTEN,
THESE FOLKS DONT SAY MUCH ABOUT
THIS AFTERWARDS.
ITS NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT IN
THE, WHAT, NOW SEVEN MONTHS
ALMOST SINCE JANUARY 6th
HAPPENED, THERES ONLY BEEN --
YOU CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND THE
NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS WHO
HAVE PUBLICLY SPOKEN OUT.
BECAUSE THEY TAKE THEIR PAIN
INTERNALLY AND THERE IS A LOT OF
PAIN.
AND THAT STATEMENT LAST NIGHT,
ALL IT DID WAS REVIVE AND SORT
OF RE-ENERGIZE WITH A KNIFE STAB
WOUND TO IT, THAT PAIN.
THIS IS NOT COINCIDENTAL AND
THIS IS SOMETHING NEW.
HARRY HAS BEEN OUT THERE TO MAKE
SURE HE DIDNT VIOLATE ANYTHING
OF THE CAPITOL POLICE.
HES BEEN OUT THERE FIVE MONTHS.
IT WAS NOT UNTIL AFTER LAST
NIGHT, FIVE MONTHS AFTER TUCKER
CARLSON MADE THAT DESPICABLE
DIALOGUE HE STARTED RECEIVING
THE MOST VIAL HATE MESSAGES,
RACIST ATTACKS, THROUGH SOCIAL
MEDIA.
IT IS NOT A COINCIDENT THAT
THOSE ATTACKS STARTED AFTER
TUCKER CARLSON MADE HIS
COMMENTS, AND I ATTRIBUTE THOSE
DIRECTLY TO CARLSON JUST LIKE
WHEN I EXPERIENCED DEATH THREATS
WHEN I WAS REPRESENTING THE IC
WHISTLE-BLOWER DURING THE FIRST
IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS.
THOSE DEATH THREATS STARTED
AFTER RIGHT-WING SOCIAL MEDIA
AND TALKING HEADS LIKE CARLSON
STARTED SPEAKING OUT AND NAMING
US PUBLICLY.
>> MICHAEL, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
HAS BRANDED ITSELF AS THE PARTY
OF, QUOTE/UNQUOTE, LAW AND
ORDER, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE
MANY INSTANCES WHERE THEY HAVE
BEEN INCONSISTENT ON THAT.
THEY HAVE CLAIMED THEY PROTECT
POLICE OFFICERS NO MATTER WHAT.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO THEIR
BRANDING WITH THE POSITIONS
THEYVE TAKEN?
EUGENE GOODMAN, THE CAPITOL
POLICE OFFICER WHO FOUGHT ON HIS
FEET AND SAVED PEOPLE BY
MISDIRECTING THE CROWD AT A TIME
CRITICAL TO GETTING PEOPLE TO
SAFETY AND THE WAY THE
REPUBLICANS DEALT WITH HIM AND
NOW TUCKER CARLSON GOING AFTER
THIS BRAVE POLICE OFFICER.
DO YOU THINK ANY OF THIS VIDEO
OF THESE TRUMP SUPPORTERS
ATTACKING POLICE OFFICERS ARE
GOING TO END UP IN POLITICAL ADS?
>> WELL, YEAH.
THE REALITY IS WITH RESPECT TO
THE BRAND, CLAIRE, THATS THE
NEW REALITY FOR THE GOP.
THEYRE JUST SORT OF THROWN OFF
THE OLD BRAND, IF YOU WILL.
AND SO THE LAW AND ORDER
NARRATIVE THAT RESONATED FOR A
LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS,
CERTAINLY NOT BASED THE WAY IT
IS NOW, YOU KNOW, HAD ITS PLACE.
IT MADE SENSE TO TALK ABOUT,
OKAY, HOW DO WE PROTECT AND
SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES AS BEST
THAT WE CAN?
AND THEN SORT OF TALKING ABOUT
THE POLICE WAS THE ENTIRE POLICE
BODY.
THEY NEVER SINGLED OUT A POLICE
OFFICER.
SO IN THAT REGARD THEY SORT OF
STOOD WITH THAT BLUE WALL.
BUT THIS IS WHERE THE RACISM
CHANGES THAT LANDSCAPE AND
CHANGES THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE
OF ALL THE OFFICERS WHO HAVE
BEEN ON NATIONAL NETWORKS, MARK
KNOWS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS
BLACK OFFICER SPEAK OUT THE WAY
HE HAS, THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS
BEEN BRANDED THE WAY HES BEEN
BRANDED THAT HES A DIFFERENT
KIND OF POLICE OFFICER.
TUCKER, HOW IS HE EXACTLY
DIFFERENT AGAIN?
WHAT HAS HE SAID THATS SO
DIFFERENT?
YOU SEE THIS NARRATIVE EMERGE
AND HOW IT IMPACTS A ONCE SOLID
STRAIGHT FORWARD NARRATIVE ABOUT
POLICING AND TURNED IT INTO SOMETHING UGLY.
SOMETHING UGLY.
>> IN THAT CLIP FROM JOYS SHOW,
HE TALKED ABOUT HEARING THE "N"
WORD DURING THIS INCREDIBLE
MOMENT OF DANGER AND EMOTION AND
FRIGHTENING, FRIGHTENING THINGS
HAPPENING.
SO THAT WAS DIFFERENT FOR THE
BLACK OFFICERS.
BY AND LARGE, MARK, THERE WERE A
LOT OF POLICE OFFICERS WHO FEEL EXACTLY THE WAY THAT HARRY DUNN
EXACTLY THE WAY THAT HARRY DUNN
FELT IN TERMS OF HAVING POLICE
OFFICERS ATTACKED EN MASSE BY A
VIOLENT MOB.
THAT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN IN
AMERICA VERY OFTEN.
THERE MAY BE ONE-OFFS OF PEOPLE
WHO GET OUT OF CONTROL AT A
PROTEST HERE AND THERE BUT THIS
WAS A MOB OF ANGRY PEOPLE THAT
HAD NO PROBLEM BREAKING WINDOWS
IN OUR NATIONS CAPITOL, NO
PROBLEM JAMMING FLAGPOLES INTO
THE FACES OF POLICE OFFICERS AND
DRAGGING THEM ACROSS PAVEMENT.
ISNT THERE REALLY AN INCREDIBLE
AMOUNT OF TOGETHERNESS AMONG
POLICE OFFICERS THERE THAT DAY?
HARRY DUNN WAS IN THE SAME PLACE
AS THE OTHER OFFICERS ATTACKED
ON THAT MOMENTOUS, SCARY, AWFUL, FRIGHTENING DAY.
FRIGHTENING DAY.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
THEY REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE
AND ALL SHARED THAT COMMON
EXPERIENCE.
MY OTHER OFFICER IS AN ARMY
VETERAN.
HE SERVED IN IRAQ IN A REAL WAR
ZONE AND HE WILL TESTIFY THAT
WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th WAS
WORSE THAN WHAT HE EVER
EXPERIENCED IN IRAQ AND HE
WASNT PREPARED TO DEAL WITH
THAT BECAUSE WHO WOULD HAVE
BEEN?
THATS NOT A SCENARIO THAT WE
HAD PREPARED FOR SINCE, WHAT,
1814 WHEN THE BRITISH LAST
STORMED THE U.S. CAPITOL.
AND HARRYS EXPERIENCE WITH THE
"N" WORD WAS NOT UNIQUE TO HIM.
HES JUST THE ONE WHO VOCALIZED
THAT OCCURRED.
HES HAD OTHER OFFICERS, OTHER
AFRICAN-AMERICAN OFFICERS COME
UP TO HIM AND SAY, WOW, THAT
HAPPENED TO YOU?
THAT HAPPENED TO ME AS WELL.
WHILE THEY AND THE METROPOLITAN
OFFICERS WILL BE TESTIFYING IN
THEIR PERSONAL CAPACITIES ONLY,
THEY WILL BE SPEAKING OUT FOR
THE SHARED EXPERIENCES OF WHAT
HAPPENED THAT DAY.
I DONT KNOW WHAT TUCKER WAS
WATCHING ON JANUARY 6th BUT I
WAS WATCHING THE VIDEO AND HAVE
SEEN A LOT SINCE AND THERE WERE
NO TOURIST THAT IS WERE THERE
THAT DAY.
THAT WAS A VIOLENT
INSURRECTIONIST MOB.
>> MARK, GIVE US A PREVIEW OF
WHAT YOUR CLIENT WILL TESTIFY TO
IN THE COMMITTEE NEXT WEEK, AND
WHY SHOULD EVERYONE WATCH?
>> WHAT MAKES CARLSONS COMMENTS
EVEN WORSE IS THAT WHATEVER THE
OFFICERS BACKGROUNDS ARE HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT TUESDAY
IS ABOUT.
THEY ARE FACT WITNESSES.
THEY ARE USING THE OFFICERS AS A
VEHICLE TO SIMPLY INTRODUCE WHAT
INVESTIGATION THEY WILL CONDUCT.
THE OFFICERS ARENT GOING TO SAY
WHY THESE PEOPLE WERE THERE.
THEYRE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
THEY HEARD.
HOW THEY WERE TOLD BY THE
INSURRECTIONISTS THAT TRUMP SENT
THEM, THAT THEY SHOULD JOIN
THEM.
THEY NEVER LET THEM IN THE WAY
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SAID, BUT
THEY WILL TALK ABOUT HOW THEY
WERE ATTACKED WITH BEAR SPRAY
AND PEPPER SPRAY AND, AS YOU
SAID, AMERICAN FLAGS, OF ALL
THINGS, THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO
STEAL THEIR WEAPONS, THAT THEY
WERE TRYING TO TAKE THEIR
SHIELDS AND MASKS AND A LOT OF
COORDINATION ESPECIALLY AMONG
SOME OF THE FOLKS ON THE REAL
RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST WHITE
NATIONALISTS WHO WERE THERE IN
BATTLE FATIGUES AND DECKED OUT
THAT WE ALL SEE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
YOULL SEE THAT ALSO GOES TO
JUST KIND OF SMACK TUCKER RIGHT
ACROSS THE HEAD, SO TO SPEAK, IS
THAT THERE WILL BE VIDEO AND
PHOTOGRAPHS OF OUR CLIENTS, OF
OFFICER DUNN, OF THE SERGEANT
WHERE YOU CAN SEE THEM GETTING
HIT.
THIS WAS NOT A WALK IN THE PARK.