let's remember again friends that the
tuller principle
is not a rule it's a principle
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welcome to today's active self
protection bonus badge cam lesson
i'm your host john korea today's video
comes to us from los angeles california
it's lapd and it made really famous
simply because the officer involved tony
mcbride also has a significant presence
on social media
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officers have been called here to the
scene of a multi-car collision
that was caused by a guy driving
erratically this one has gotten a lot of
play
because the officer whose badge cam
we're seeing here is
a lady who is a known competitive
shooter she trains
at a place that is popularized by
hollywood celebrities training there for
movies
and she has an instagram presence and so
that's why this one's gotten a lot of
play let's listen to the badge cam check
now
he has him he has a knife why does he
want to hurt himself we don't know he's
the one who caught that give me a backup
and go on the sidewalk right now yes i
need you
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zero zero oh everybody go away
because i want the knife cutting himself
he's just trying to see us
on the 32nd street
let me see your hands man
stay right there drop the knife
drop the knife drop the knife
drop it
as this continues what you see is
officer mcbride and her partner i've
sped this up just for the sake of time
they are uh going to try to get the
knife out of this guy's hands and get
him into custody and then continue to
deal with the scene
where they have injuries and people who
are hurting it's a lot that they have to
deal with
we have some more badge cam here let's
listen in
standby guys we need to make sure no
victims are inside
we also have cell phone footage that
lapd has put out with this one so we can
see our suspect a lot better
acting erratically those kinds of things
you can see the knife in his hand right
there
as he is approaching the officers again
it caused the multi-car pileup and now
he bows up on the officer the thing that
i think is kind of interesting
so there officer mcbride takes those
shots there and
uh he is saying the person taking this
video oh shots fired whatever
now his friend here if you go watch the
original says oh no man why did she
shoot him
uh you know she didn't have to shoot him
and our uh filmer here
is going to say yeah that guy had a
knife and he was like oh i didn't see
that and that's pretty important
to understanding what's going on here
let's listen in and let's learn lessons
pretty serious stuff and we got a lot to
think about in the analysis
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first i think you know the officer is
coming out here and trying to see what
the heck is going on but notice
that she is primed already notice her
partner already has his hand
on his gun he sees this perp coming and
he sees man
this guy could be really big problems
because notice the background notice all
the people pointing everybody's saying
that guy has a knife that guy is crazy
and again uh if you go watch the
original from lapd where they've got all
the background and all that stuff
they were saying the guy was cutting
himself and threatening other people
with what turned out to be a box cutter
while they
you know while this whole thing happened
multiple cars in this rack so this is
what she sees
when things come in it's a chaotic
situation that is obviously quite
dangerous now this guy is going to start
coming out here and she does a really
fantastic job i think of using words and
controlling the scene
and seeing what's going on around notice
she's on the radio she's talking to her
partner she's talking to people
and and maintaining really good
composure and i think that's really
important the ability to manage stress
and to take charge of a situation
incredibly important for law enforcement
officers
and for private citizens in my opinion
so calm is a superpower
absolute superpower in these kinds of
things and she exhibited it here i think
exceptionally so she's moving people out
of her backstop
saying hey man show me your hands those
kinds of things and i think that really
was
exemplary for her so notice
that she also asks her partner here if
they have less lethal
so i think that she's thinking here wait
a minute i'm going to want to take this
guy into custody i think this speaks to
the fact she doesn't want to shoot the
guy
do we have less lethal we need to get
him into custody but you know if he's
got a knife or whatever
man we're going to have to use lethal if
we don't have less lethal so i think
that that was exemplary as well
i really do think that in overall cinch
did a pretty darn fine job here let's
think about some of the tactical stuff
and some of the
you know the technical stuff as we keep
going from here so she asked him let me
see your hands
let me see your hands so several times
here hey man i need to see your hands
and she's going to tell him several
times to drop the knife one thing i do
want to say
is that when you get into a verbal loop
when things start coming and you start
saying the same thing over and over if
you say it the first two times and you
don't get it
try a different tack you know hey man
what's your name tell me what's going on
i want to help you but you got to stay
over there or whatever
so she tells him here to drop the knife
and actually does so
multiple times but again this all
exhibits someone who
is not trying to get into a gunfight
here somebody who is saying look man i
don't want to shoot you bro please don't
make me do that
but she does have her firearm in her
hand to protect herself her partners
and all of these people look at all the
people in the backstop she has to
protect the public
as well so notice she backs up and gives
ground
and and gets herself to a place where
she can get behind cover if she needs to
but notice the body language of the perp
remember in an overall sense it's the
actions of the perp that determine the
outcomes that they get not the officers
but the perp
and this guy clearly altered again he
had methamphetamines in his system and
all kinds of stuff like that
and in that kind of sense she's you know
having already caused this much violence
her having already done this much
violence
she doesn't have the ability to just
give this guy all the ground in the
world and you got to recognize the
totality of the circumstances matter to
that
and where you're gonna take action does
matter so she gets her gun up at this
point notice before
she had the gun at a low ready position
which i really loved because
that let her see what's going on in a
much better way but when it comes time
to shoot
she brings that gun up to eye level now
this is a fisheye lens thing because he
looks a long way away
in our view but the reality is when lapd
measured it it's right at 10 yards the
guy's 30 feet away
and again not just a threat to her not
just to her partner but the people in
the cars the people on the sidewalk
so she's got to do her thing so now she
says drop it and he comes and that first
shot is fired you notice again
he's walking towards her he is unscared
he is unconcerned with the gun
and so that first shot goes off there
now we got to ask the question is that
justified because i know a lot of people
are going to say
he's about 30 feet away and when we talk
about the tullar principle
normally we say a guy can cover the
ground of 21 feet in a second and a half
and so that's where a deadly threat
happens and that is not true
that is not what the tudor principle
teaches what the tulu principle teaches
is that if an officer has their gun in a
holster and a guy is less than 21 feet
away from him
they can lunge and get to the officer
before the officer can get the gun out
in their hand in a shot on target so a
threat can be a threat at a much farther
distance and again not just to officer
mcbride but to
everybody else around so is this a
justified defensive shooting i think the
answer to that is yes
given the totality of the circumstances
given that she gave him multiple
commands
given that he's already done so much
violence she doesn't have you know
doesn't have to wait probably doesn't
have the time to wait now second shot
comes in 0.75 seconds later now somebody
at her level of competitive shooting
the fact that she had a 0.75 split means
she really took her time that first shot
got in him and then the second
shot was absolutely one that was thought
through front sight scene
because she doesn't want to endanger
people when we talk about
her backstop you look at that the best
backstop is to put the front sight on
the bad guy and not miss and that's what
she did
she took six shots and got six hits and
that is
the best firearm safety that exists now
he gets up a second time here so she
puts another shot in him and again gonna
take a
third or fourth shot rather at about a
.75 split
is it reasonable for her to be doing
this the answer is yes this guy again
having been shot twice is now getting
back
up still has the knife in his hand still
going
after the officers and so she has to
continue to do that in order to
completely stop
the threat so now then as it goes over i
know some people are going to say okay
wait a minute what about the last two we
get another shot here
but again i do want to say those last
two shots all come within the same
action and as soon as she realizes hey
this guy
is not a threat anymore she stops then i
really love the fact that they
communicate well they talk to each other
she
stays in the fight mentally she doesn't
freak out and that is exemplary and then
they get this guy in custody
make sure everybody else is okay so in
an overall sense i really think officer
mcbride did a pretty darn fine job here
yes there's a big civil suit and all
that stuff but i think that's just
kind of par for the course for police
officers in this day and age
i do think in an overall sense she did
what she had to do protected herself
and her partner and the general public
and covered her asp