♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,
EVERYBODY.
YOU KNOW MY FIRST GUEST FROM FILMS SUCH AS "BROKEBACK
MOUNTAIN," "NIGHTCRAWLER," AND "SPIDER-MAN: FAR FROM HOME."
PLEASE WELCOME TO "A LATE SHOW," JAKE GYLLENHAAL!
JAKE!
HI!
>> SHHH!
SHHH!
>> Stephen: WHAT'S UP?
WHY ARE WE-- >> SHHH!
>> Stephen: ( WHISPERING )
WHY ARE WE WHISPERING?
>> I HAVE-- I HAVE SOURDOUGH RISING.
SHHH!
IT'S RESTING.
MY SOURDOUGH IS RESTING.
>> Stephen: IS THAT SOMETHING SOURDOUGH--
>> SHHH!
>> Stephen: IS THAT SOMETHING SOURDOUGH HAS TO DO?
IT HAS TO REST.
>> YES!
>> Stephen: I DON'T-- I DON'T KNOW.
>> WE CAN SPIENG A LITTLE.
THEY'RE DEEP SLEEPING.
>> Stephen: IS IT-- HAVE YOU-- HAVE YOU FALLEN INTO THE
SOURDOUGH CULT?
BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OBSETION A LOT OF PEOPLE RIGHT
NOW.
>> AS MY HAIR HAS GROWN LONGER AND AS I-- I HAVE SORT OF SLOWLY
INCHED INTO THE HIPSTER WORLD, I'VE FOUND MYSELF FALLING IN
LOVE WITH SOURDOUGH.
ACTUALLY, I HAVE EYE HAVE NOTHING-- I HAVE NOTHING TO DO,
AND SO MY-- I HAVE A GOOD FRIEND WHO IS A BAKER IN SAN FRANCISCO.
HE HAS AN AMAZING BAKERY CALLED "THE MILL," AND WE WERE TALKING.
AND I-- I-- I HATE THIS, BUT I WAS LIKE, "YOU CAN TEACH ME HOW
TO-- CAN YOU TEACH ME HOW TO DO A SOURDOUGH STARTER?"
AND SO OFF-- OFF I WENT.
>> Stephen: DID HE TEACH YOU HOW TO DO A SOURDOUGH STARTER OR
DID HE GIVE YOU SOURDOUGH STARTER?
>> HE-- HE GAVE ME WHAT HE CALLS "JOSIE'S MAGIC."
HE SENT IT TO ME IN THE MAIL.
HIS NAME IS JOSIE BAKER.
HE SENT IT TO ME IN THE MAIL, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS SOME
ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE.
AND THEN I USED IT.
IT DIDN'T FULLY WORK, BUT SHE SENT ME SOME FLOWER WITH IT,
SOME RYE FLOWER-- ( WHISPERING )
SOME RYE FLOWER.
>> Stephen: I ASKED FOR THIS REASON BECAUSE I HAVE SOME.
I HAVE THIS STUFF RIGHT HERE.
I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT YET.
BUT IT-- IT-- MY NIECE IS MAKING SOURDOUGH.
IT CERTAINLY SMELLS SOUR.
IT'S LIKE-- IT SMELLS A LITTLE BIT LIKE YOGURT.
IS THAT RIGHT?
>> LIKE VINEGAR.
IT SHOULD -- >> Stephen: YEAH, IT'S
VINEGARY.
>> ARE THERE BUBBLES IN IT?
>> Stephen: YEAH, THERE ARE BUBBLES.
THERE'S SOME FOAM ON THE TOP.
NOW WHAT DO I DO?
>> OKAY, HOLD ON -- >> Stephen: I CAN'T-- I CAN'T
EAT THAT.
WHAT DO I DO?
>> YOU GO FROM THAT TO THIS.
( WHISPERING ) WHEN IS RESTING.
IT'S NOT YET FULLY RISING, BUT IT'S ON ITS WAY.
>> Stephen: THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
BUT THEN WHAT DO I DO WITH THIS NOW?
>> AS IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, AS IF I-- WHAT I DO WITH IT, IS I TAKE
THE STARTER, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GET A NICE SORT OF WHEAT
FLOUR, AND YOU MAKE A LEVANTE.
OR A PRE-FER MENT IN AMERICA.
WHEN LET THAT REST FOR 12-24 HOURS, AND THEN YOU CAN START
MIXING IT UP INTO SOME OTHER FLOUR, AND THEN MAKE YOUR DOUGH.
>> Stephen: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MOTIVATES ANYONE TO WATCH
TELEVISION ANYMORE.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW IS EITHER
GETTING SUPER BOWL RATINGS OR PEOPLE ARE SCRAMBLING FOR THE
REMOTE RIGHT NOW TO CLICK OVER TO ANYTHING ELSE.
>> THERE'S A VERY PARTICULAR KIND OF AUDIENCE WHO IS
DEFINITELY INTO THIS.
THERE ARE 14 PEOPLE -- >> Stephen: I WANT TO-- AND
PASS ON FROM MY WIFE AND ALSO MYSELF, A TREMENDOUS COMPLEMENT
FOR YOUR PERFORMANCE THE OTHER NIGHT IN "TAKE ME TO THE WORLD:
A SONDHEIM 90th BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION."
YOU SAYING YOU'VE ON FROM SUN NET PARK WITH GEORGE, WHICH YOU
DID ON BROADWAY, WITH ANA LEE ARBFORD.
EVERY SONDHEIM SONG IS BEAUTIFUL AND HEARTBREAKING IN ITS OWN
WAY, BUT IT WAS AN AMAZING PERFORMANCE.
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CLIP RIGHT HERE
♪ EXPLORE THE LIGHT I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET
THROUGH ♪ THROUGH TO SOMETHING NEW
SOMETHING OF MY OWN ♪ >> Stephen: HOW DID YOU DO
THAT?
HOW DID YOU DO THAT A CAPPELLA AND IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS?
HOW DID YOU ACHIEVE THAT?
>> I MEAN, LOOK, IT MAY BE A SURPRISE TO YOU BUT I'M NOT A
PROFESSIONAL SINGER.
I DON'T DO A LOT OF RECORDING.
>> Stephen: IT IS A SURPRISE TO ME BECAUSE THAT WAS
BEAUTIFUL.
>> OH, WELL, THANKS.
I DON'T KNOW.
WE HAD-- I HAD-- I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW.
WE HAD TO PLAY-- WE HAD AN ACCOMPANIMENT, AND WE HAD TO
SING TOGETHER WITH OUR EAR POD, AND THE TIMING WAS OFF.
IT WAS-- IT WAS VERY HARD.
WE HAD TO-- WE HAD TO SORT OF RECORD SORT OF TRACKS BEFORE THE
OTHER ONE IN ORDER TO SING TOGETHER.
IT'S PROBABLY WHAT LIKE DOING THIS SHOW IS FOR YOU.
IT'S ALMOST-- TS INEXPLICABLE.
>> Stephen: YES.
>> YOU KNOW?
I CAN'T EVEN -- >> Stephen: DID I WATCH IT?
DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW LATER BECAUSE IT'S SO EXTRAORDINARY.
AS I SAID, EVERY SONDHEIM SONG IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT I DON'T KNOW
ALL OF THEM, BUT EVERY SINGLE ONE, YOU'RE LIKE, "I DON'T
REALLY KNOW THAT WELL."
BY THE END OF IT, YOU'RE JUST WEEPING BY THE END OF IT.
>> HAD THEY TOLD ME I WAS GOING TO BE SANDWICHED BETWEEN AUDREY
McDONALD, MERYL STREEP, AND BERNADETTE PETERS, I WOULD HAVE
NEVER BEEN ABLE TO PERFORM.
>> Stephen: IT WORKED OUT.
IT WORKED OUT.
I PROMISE YOU.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE SONDHEIM SONG.
OBVIOUSLY, AS I SAID, YOU WERE "THE GEORGES" IN "SUNNY IN THE
PARK WITH GEORGE."
BUT DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE SONDHEIM SONG?
>> "DONT WAKEN THE SOURDOUGH."
DO YOU KNOW THAT ONE.
>> Stephen: I DO.
ANYONE CAN WHISTLE RIGHT.
>> I DO, THAT SONG "NO MORE," AT THE TRIBUTE IS MY FAVORITE
SONDHEIM SONG FOR THE MOMENT.
AND ONE OF THE LYRICS FROM IT THAT I JUST-- THE LINES, "NO
MORE CURSES WE CAN'T UNDO LEFT BY FATHERS WE NEVER KNEW" IS
JUST LIKE-- THERE ARE SO MANY LINES IN THAT SONG.
THAT ENTIRE SONG IS FILLED WITH INCREDIBLE WISDOM.
BUT I LOVE THAT LINE SO MUCH.
>> Stephen: HOW WELL DO YOU KNOW STEPHEN SONDHEIM?
>> UHM, UH, I MEAN, WELL, WE'VE HAD DINNER.
WE'VE HAD DINNER.
I MEAN -- >> Stephen: THAT'S NOT BAD.
>> I MEAN, I WOULD SAY-- I GRADUATED FROM CALLING HIM
"STEPHEN" TO CALLING HIM ASK THE QT STEVE."
>> Stephen: I NOTICED.
I NOTICED THAT YOU-- >> DID YOU NOTICE?
>> Stephen: PEOPLE ON THE SPECIAL STEPHEN AND SOME PEOPLE
CALLED HIM STEVE.
AND I KNOW MR. SONDHEIM A LITTLE BIT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD
BRING MYSELF TO CALL HIM STEVE.
THAT'S BOLD.
>> THAT MOMENT WHERE I TRIED IT WITH HIM IN PERSON, YOU KNOW,
LIKE I TRIED IT IN PERSON.
AND I FELT LIKE MY WORLD COULD EITHER COMPLETELY UNDO OR IT
COULD COME TOGETHER IN COMPLETE HARMONY.
AND I PUT IT OUT THERE, AND HE ALLOWED IT.
>> Stephen: OH, WOW.
>> IT'S LIKE-- YEAH, IT WAS -- >> Stephen: THAT'S LIKE
STEALING HOME.
>> HUH?
>> Stephen: I SAID THAT'S LIKE STEALING HOME.
>> IT WAS.
>> Stephen: NOW, YOU DID-- THE LAST TIME YOU WERE ON WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT "SEA WALL/A LIFE, WHICH WAS ON THE PUBLIC AND THEN
BROADWAY.
THURSDAY, TELL ME IF I HAVE THIS RIGHT-- THOSE WHO DIDN'T GET TO
SEE YOU ON STAGE CAN LISTEN IT TO IT ON AUDIBLE.
>> YES, THURSDAY APRIL 30.
IT WILL ACTUALLY BE FREE, APPARENTLY, FOR AUDIBLE MEMBERS
UNTIL MAY.
END OF MAY.
NOT ONE DAY.
TLL THE END OF MAY.
APRIL 30 TO MAY 1 IT'S FREE.
FOR FIVE SECONDS -- >> Stephen: I WANT TO-- I WANT
TO ASK YOU-- AND I'M ASKING FOR A FRIEND.
HOW IS IT LIKE FOR YOU TO PERFORM SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE
USED TO DOING IN FRONT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE WITH NO AUDIENCE AT
ALL?
BECAUSE I'D BE CURIOUS THAT WHAT FEELS LIKE, JAKE.
>> WELL, I HAVE-- I'VE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS NOW, SO
I REALLY CAN SPEAK TO IT.
WHO-- WHO DO YOU KNOW THAT HAS TO DO THAT?
>> Stephen: I HAVE A FRIEND.
IHAVE A FRIEND.
HE CALLED ME UP-- HE TALKS TO ME IN THE MIRROR IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE NIGHT, AND HE'S-- HE'S-- HE JUST WANTS TO KNOW HOW TO KEEP
DOING IT.
>> OKAY, YEAH, WELL, I FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT MOST THINGS.
BUT I-- IT WAS-- IT WAS REALLY HARD.
I HAVE TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL EVERY NIGHT, BUT IT'S
LIKE THIS SENSE OF NOT HAVING AN AUDIENCE, NOT STLAG AUDIENCE
THERE IS DEATH DEFYING.
IT'S WORSE AND SCARIER THAN HAVING AN AUDIENCE.
AND IT'S PRETTY SCARY HAVING AN AUDIENCE.
BUT IT ALSO GIVES YOU SO MUCH LIFE.
IT'S EVERYTHING.
THEY'RE EVERYTHING,UN.
AS WITNESSED BY THIS INTERVIEW.
>> Stephen: WELL, I-- I SAY IF IT'S A REALLY GOOD AUDIENCE, I
COME OFF STAGE WITH MORE ENERGY THAN I WENT ON.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: I COULD BE SICK AND I COME OFF AND I'M HEALED.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: DOING A SHOW WITHOUT AN AUDIENCE YOU'RE LEFT
WITH YOUR OWN DEVICES AND YOUR OWN ENERGY LEVELS-- IT'S A
LOVELY JOB.
>> BUT YOU GET TO HAVE YOUR WIFE AROUND ALL THE TIME.
>> Stephen: I DO, AND MY SON IS HERE AS MY STAGE MANAGER AND
LIGHTING GUY AND SOUND GUY.
>> COULD ANYTHING BE BETTER?
IF I HAD MY FAMILY AROUND ME ON STAGE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD
DO.
I WOULD PROBABLY LOSE IT, YOU KNOW.
>> Stephen: IT CAN BE HARD SOMETIMES.
WHEN I'M DOING A SHOW, I DON'T PARTICULARLY WANT TO SEE MY
FAMILY'S FACE IN THE FRONT ROW WHEN I'M DOING IT.
THE AUDIENCE IS JUST THIS THING, I KIND OF-- WHAT DO YOU PICTURE
WHEN YOU DO THE SHOW?
ARE YOU DOING IT FOR 400 PEOPLE?
WHO DO YOU IMAGINE YOU'RE DOING IT FOR?
>> WHEN I'M ON STAGE OR WHEN I DID THE RECORDING OF IT?
>> Stephen: WHEN YOU'RE ON STAGE.
WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY PERFORMING IN FRONT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE.
>> IT DEPENDS.
THIS SHOW WAS A MONOLOGUE, SO AS A RESULT OF BEING THAT, IT WAS
AN EXCHANGE WITH THE AUDIENCE.
WE HAD TO-- I DID THINK OF THEM THERE EVERY NIGHT.
AND THERE WOULD BE SOUNDS FROM THE AUDIENCE AND I WOULD RESPOND
TO THEM, YOU KNOW.
WE NEVER REALLY PRETENDED THAT THERE WAS EVER THAT FOURTH WALL,
OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.
SO I-- WHATEVER WOULD HAPPEN WOULD HAPPEN.
WHEN WE WERE RECORDING IT, IT WAS LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW WHO I WAS
TALKING TO.
I-- IT TOOK ME MANY TAKES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PIECE WAS
EVEN ABOUT WITHOUT AN AUDIENCE.
>> Stephen: BECAUSE YOU LOSE-- >> DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT EVERY
NIGHT?
>> Stephen: ABSOLUTELY.
YOU LOSE THE RHYTHM.
BECAUSE YOU'RE PLAYING HANDBALL, AND NORMALLY, YOU HAVE THAT BALL
FOR THE WALL-- THE WALL FOR THE BALL TO COME OFF OF.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: BUT NOW YOU'RE JUST HITTING THE BALL AND YOU
JUST KIND OF HEAR IT BOUNCE THE ALLY AND YOU HIT ANOTHER BALL
YOU AND YOU HEAR IT BOUNCE DOWN THE AL.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT'S
ODD FOR ME TO SEE MYSELF.
IT'S ODD FOR ME TO SEE TEXT MESSAGES FROM MY MOTHER COMING
UP.
EVERY FIVE TO 15 SECONDS-- YOUR SON IS PROBABLY LIKE, I DON'T
HAVE TO.
BUT I HAVE THESE TEXT MESSAGE S.
>> Stephen: ANYTHING GOOD?
>> EVER?
SHE-- SHE WANTS TO MAKE LASAGNA TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT I'LL TELL YOU.
MY MOM WANTS TO MAKE LASAGNA.
>> Stephen: YOU SAY I CAN'T.
I'M STUCK IN THE SOURDOUGH.
I'M IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH SOURDOUGH RIGHT NOW, MOM.
>> I AM, ACTUALLY, IN A RELATIONSHIP-- OOPS.
SOMEBODY WOKE UP.
>> Stephen: JAKE, WE HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK.
BUT STICK AROUND, EVERYBODY.
WHEN WE COME BACK I'LL ASK JAKE ABOUT THE CHALLENGE HE WAS
ISSUED BY TOM HOLLAND.
STICK AROUND.
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