NEW INFORMATION SCRUBBED FROM THE INTERNET PRIOR TO THIS
WEEK'S SHOOTING LINKED ONE OF THE SHOOTERS, THE FEMALE,
TO ISIS.
PRIOR TO THIS THERE HAD BEEN SOME RUMORED LINKS, BUT
TODAY'S REPORTS FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE AP SAID
THAT THE SHOOTING WAS IN SOME WAY LINKED TO ISIS.
BOTH PIECES CITED ANONYMOUS U.S. LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICIALS SAYING THAT TASHFEEN MALIK HAD POSTED A NOW
DELETED PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
TO ISIS.
"THEY TOOK SEVERAL STEPS TO DELETE THEIR ELECTRONIC
INFORMATION IN AN APPARENT ATTEMPT TO COVER THEIR TRACKS.
THOSE EFFORTS HAVE LED AUTHORITIES TO BELIEVE THAT
THE SHOOTING WAS PREMEDITATED."
THEY HAVE NOT RELEASED THE ACTUAL DECLARATION THAT WAS
MADE, BUT IT IS APPARENTLY THERE.
THERE IS GOOD EVIDENCE THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THE TWO
SHOOTERS DID HAVE SOME CONNECTION.
ALTHOUGH THIS DOES NOT PROVE THAT ISIS ORDERED THE
ATTACK TO HAPPEN OR THAT THEY HAD ANY FORMAL CONNECTION TO IT.
ONLY THAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED HAD LINKS TO IT.
SO, FIRST OF ALL CAN WE CALL IT TERRORISM?
YES.
THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME SORT OF CLEAR LINK TO WHETHER IT IS
A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THEY WENT TO SAUDI ARABIA A COUPLE
OF TIMES, THEY SEEM TO HAVE BEEN RADICALIZED ACCORDING TO
AUTHORITIES.
LET'S ASSUME FOR GOOD REASON THAT THEY ARE CORRECT.
THE ONLY REASON THAT YOU WOULD EVEN MENTION THAT IS THAT A
COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER THE ATTACK SOMETIMES FACTS CHANGE.
BUT WE WILL CALL IT TERRORISM BECAUSE IT ALMOST CLEARLY IS.
HAVING SAID THAT, WHAT HAPPENED?
NUMBER ONE – THIS IS A SPECULATION – SHE GREW UP, WAS
BORN IN PAKISTAN, AND THEN WENT TO SAUDI ARABIA WHEN SHE WAS 19.
HE DID A MAIL ORDER BRIDE
FROM SAUDI ARABIA.
THAT IS A TERM THAT SOME PEOPLE USE IN REGARDS TO SAUDI ARABIA
BECAUSE IT IS WELL DESERVED BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE THIS.
OVERALL THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT PROMOTES JIHADISM.
I THINK SHE RADICALIZED HIM.
HE WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE.
THE SECOND PART OF THE SPECULATION, THEY WERE
HEAVILY ARMED, HEAVILY PREPARED – THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE FACT, THAT
LEADS TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE PLANNING AN ATTACK ANYWAY.
THEY HAD BOMBS.
YOU DON'T HAVE BOMBS UNLESS YOU'RE PLANNING A TERRORIST
ATTACK.
ON THE OTHER HAND I REALLY THINK
THAT THEY WERE PROBABLY
PREPARING FOR A BIGGER TERRORIST ATTACK, BECAUSE THAT IS
USUALLY WHAT THEY DO.
THEY ARE 60 MILES FROM LA, THEY WERE PROBABLY GOING TO GO
TO LA AND DO AN ATTACK.
THEN SYED FAROOK IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT HOLIDAY PARTY GOT
PISSED.
PEOPLE AT THE PARTY SAY HE STORMED OUT.
THERE ARE NOW REPORTS THAT HE USED TO GET INTO SOME
RELIGIOUS ARGUMENTS WITH ONE OF THE POOR GUYS THAT HE
KILLED, A JEW, WHO HAD MADE A CASE AGAINST ISIS.
THINK ABOUT THE IRONY OF THAT.
YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT HOW VIOLENT ISIS IS, AND I WILL MURDER
YOU TO SHOW IT.
THESE PEOPLE NEVER SEEM TO GET IT.
IT LEADS TO THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE THAT IS WHY
WOULD YOU TALK ABOUT MARTYRDOM – TALKING ABOUT HER.
WHAT IS THE BRAVE PART GOING AND SHOOTING
DISABLED KIDS?
I THINK THIS IS A COMBO, THEY WERE GOING TO DO A
TERRORIST ATTACK ANYWAY.
FAROUK GOT PISSED AT SOMEONE AT HIS JOB, HEARD TINY LITTLE
REFERENCES OF MAKING FUN OF HIS BEARD FROM ANOTHER GUY.
THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE A BIG DEAL LET ALONE THINK
THAT INSPIRE SHOOTING UNLESS YOU WERE ALREADY GOING TO DO IT.
SO, I THINK THEY WENT AND SAID IT IS STILL TIME, LET'S
JUST DO IT NOW.
AS HORRIFIC AND TERRIBLE AS THEY ARE, THEY ARE HOMO SAPIENS, BUT
APPARENTLY NOT ENOUGH THAT THEY LEFT THEIR SIX-MONTH-OLD BEHIND.
OF COURSE THEY BOUGHT BOOKS AND TOYS FOR THEIR KID.
MY GUESS IS THAT IF YOU LIKED THE PEOPLE AT WORK, HE
WOULDN'T HAVE SHOT UP THE PEOPLE AT WORK AND HE WOULD'VE DONE
THIS TERRORIST ACT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
HE WOULD'VE DONE IT AT ANOTHER BIG THING.
BUT HE GOT PISSED AT SOMEBODY AT WORK, WAS MAD AT THEM – THERE
IS NO EXCUSES FOR IT, IT IS TERRORISM ANYWAY YOU SLICE IT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED.
THAT IS MY BEST GUESS AS TO WHAT HAPPENED.
PEOPLE WHO STUDY THE PSYCHOLOGY OF TERRORISM SAY THAT TERRORISTS
VERY RARELY STRIKE A PLACE THAT THEY HAVE A STRONG CONNECTION
TO, WHICH IS WHY LEADING UP TO THESE REVELATIONS PEOPLE
ARE SPECULATING THAT IT COULD'VE BEEN A MORE PERSONAL THING.
THE SAME PERSON SAID THAT AT THIS POINT WE BELIEVE THAT
THEY WERE MORE SELF RADICALIZED AND INSPIRED BY THE GROUP
ISIS THAN ACTUALLY TOLD TO DO THE SHOOTING.
THREE DAYS LATER AT THIS POINT, ISIS TO MY BEST KNOWLEDGE
HAS STILL NOT TAKEN CREDIT FOR IT, WHICH IS SURPRISING.
IT'S ALMOST WORSE IF THEY WEREN'T ORGANIZED BY ISIS.
IF ALL IT TAKES IS SOME FORM OF – LET'S DO IT.
IF ISIS IS ORDERING ATTACKS FROM SYRIA INTO THE UNITED
STATES INTO SAN BERNARDINO, I FIND THAT SCARIER.
SOME FIND IT SCARIER IF ISIS IS NOT ORDERING AND THESE GUYS
ARE DOING IT ON THEIR OWN BECAUSE THEY ARE INSPIRED BY
ISIS.
I AM MUCH MORE WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
THE
PROBLEM THERE IS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ARE COMING.
THAT MAKES THEM LONE WOLVES.
LONE WOLVES ARE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP.
YOU CAN'T DO IT.
THE FBI EARLIER THIS WEEK DID STOP.
OR YOU CAN INTERCEPT A MESSAGE.
YOU ARE LIKE SNOWDEN FOR GIVING US THAT INFORMATION.
SO DID EVERY NEWS SOURCE THAT I GOT FROM.
BUT I HEAR YOU.
YOU CAN COVER YOUR TRACKS BY SAYING OTHERS ARE EQUALLY
AS GUILTY.
IT IS VERY SURPRISING – TWO THINGS THAT MADE THIS
DIFFERENT, IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS SOME CONNECTION TO ISIS,
THAT IS ENOUGH FOR MOST PEOPLE AND THAT IS THE SADDEST PART.
BUT IT IS REALLY WEIRD THAT THEY DID IT AT WORK.
IT MAKES THEM UNLIKE ALMOST EVERY OTHER TERRORIST ATTACK.
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THE 90S
TO FIND A TERRORIST WHO ATTACKED WHERE HE WORKED.
THE KID, SAME THING.
THERE'S THREE THINGS HERE THAT MAKE IT REALLY STRANGE AND
VERY DIFFERENT.
NOBODY HAS A SIX-MONTH-OLD KID, CERTAINLY NOT A HUSBAND AND
WIFE TOGETHER ENGAGING IN THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR.
THAT ALL MAKES IT DIFFERENT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN IT IS LESS TERRIFYING AND THOSE PEOPLE
ARE ANY LESS DEAD BUT IT IS INTERESTING.
I SUSPECT THAT THREE DAYS INTO IT EVENTUALLY SOME OF THIS
STUFF WILL GET CONFIRMED OR DENIED.
HOPEFULLY WE WILL START BOMBING SOMEWHERE ELSE NOW
BECAUSE OF THIS, OR MORE.
APPARENTLY WE HAVE TO BOMB CALIFORNIA.
I SAID BOMB SAN BERNARDINO A LONG TIME AGO.
BUT THIS WAS FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
HERE'S THE THING, THEY SAY THE DEFINITION OF TERRORISM IS
WHEN YOU USE VIOLENCE TO FORWARD POLITICAL IDEOLOGY OR AN IDEA.
NOT A MILITARY TARGET.
IF YOU GOT PISSED OFF AT WORK AND HE JUST WANTED A FUCK
THOSE PEOPLE UP BECAUSE HE HAD A PERSONAL GRUDGE, I DON'T WANT TO
GET INTO NITPICKING WHETHER IT'S TERRORISM ARE NOT BUT I
DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT'S TERRORISM.
YOU MAKE PIPE BOMBS, YOU ARE A TERRORIST.
YOU PUT THOUGHT INTO IT.
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT A STRICT DEFINITION.
IT COULD BE THAT YOU ARE MAD AT SOMEONE AT WORK, BUT THEY
HAD PREPARED THIS WELL IN ADVANCE AND THEY WERE
DEVOUT MUSLIMS, WHICH – THERE ARE PEACEFUL MUSLIMS BUT THEY
ARE NOT IN THAT CASE BECAUSE THEY JUST KILLED ALL THESE
PEOPLE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN ISIS DID IT AND WE SHOULD BOMB AND THAT ALL
MUSLIMS ARE GUILTY.
IT DOES MEAN THAT IT IS TERRORISM AND THEY WERE
RADICAL MUSLIMS.
SO, WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER WAS THAT THEY HAD A BIGGER PLAN.
TO ME THIS WAS LIKE PISSED OFF AT WORK SHOOTING AND HE
DECIDED TO HIJACK HIS OWN TERRORISM AND NOT DO IT AND
THEN JUST GO KILL SOME PEOPLE HE KNEW PERSONALLY.
I THINK IT'S OKAY TO SAY THAT IT IS A COMBO.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT IS A BLACK AND WHITE WORLD, IT'S
EITHER TERRORISM OR WORK-RELATED.
TERRORIST SHOOTERS VERY OFTEN SEEM QUITE WILLING TO DIE AT THE
END.
BUT THEY TRIED TO FLEE, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THEY WERE
TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE AS WELL.
WE DO KNOW ONE THING THAT THE U.S. SHOULD DO FOR SURE.
WE HAVE THIS GUY WHO WAS BORN IN AMERICA AND PURCHASES GUNS
LEGALLY, WE HAVE THIS WOMAN WHO GREW UP IN SAUDI ARABIA WHERE –
SHE GREW UP IN PAKISTAN.
AND EVENTUALLY WENT TO SAUDI ARABIA.
I'LL TAKE THAT TO ITS LOGICAL END AND COMBINED POINTS FOR YOU
GUYS ARE MAKING.
ACCORDING TO THAT LOGIC, WE SHOULD NOT LET ANYONE IN FROM
SAUDI ARABIA, NOT THE SYRIAN REFUGEES, SAUDI ARABIA.
SINCE THE AGE OF 19 SHE HAS BEEN THERE AND APPEARS THAT SHE
WAS RADICALIZED THERE.
THAT IS ONE OF OUR TOP ALLIES.
DO WE WANT TO MAKE A CASE FOR NOT ALLOWING ANY SAUDIS
INTO THE COUNTRY?
ALMOST ALL THE 9/11 BOMBERS WERE SAUDI'S.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A CASE FOR BANNING ANYONE IT WOULD
DEFINITELY BE SAUDI ARABIA.
YOU ARE GIVING TOO MUCH CREDIT TO THAT NATIONALIST
SENTIMENTS OF THOSE ON THE RIGHT.
THEY OBJECTED THE SYRIAN REFUGEES BECAUSE THOSE ARE
THE REFUGEES COMING AT THE MOMENT.
YOU CAN'T USE THAT ARGUMENT AGAINST THEM.
BUT
WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPOSE IS THE HYPOCRISY OF THE POLITICIANS.
POLITICIANS WILL NEVER PROPOSE THE SAUDI THING BECAUSE THEY
LOVE THE CHEAP OIL AND THE MONEY THEIR DONORS MAKE OFF THAT.
THE ONLY GUY WHO MIGHT JUST BECAUSE HE IS A LOOSE
CANNON IS TRUMP.
IT'S A TOTALLY VALID QUESTION AND SHOULD BE ASKED IN THE
NEXT DEBATE.
AGAIN, YOU DON'T WANT ANY SYRIANS HERE, BUT WE SHOULD BAN
ALL SAUDI'S AS WELL.
YES, PUT THEM ON THE SPOT.
AGAIN, TO EXTEND THE ANALOGY OF THE BOMBING YOU GUYS
WERE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU BOMB ANYWHERE YOU
BOMB SAUDI ARABIA.
EXCEPT THEY ARE OUR TOP ALLY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE KILL THEIR FAMILIES THING.
SHOULD WE START BOMBING MADRASAHS?
DONALD TRUMP, IF YOU FOLLOW HIS LOGIC OF LET'S BOMB
THEIR FAMILIES, THEN YOU GO BACK TO JIMMY'S POINT.
NOT ONLY WOULD YOU HAVE TO GET MECCA AND MEDINA, YOU ALSO HAVE
TO HIT SAN BERNARDINO BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THEIR FAMILY IS.
WHEN YOU PUT IT THAT WAY, DOESN'T IT SEEM PREPOSTEROUS?
OH, IF YOU BOMB SYRIA THEY ARE ALSO THE ONES THAT SUFFER
THE MOST FROM THE TERRORIST.
IT MIGHT SEEM CRAZY BUT PLANNED PARENTHOOD WAS SHOT
UP A WEEK AGO AND THE SENATE VOTED TO DEFUND IT THIS WEEK.
APPARENTLY THEY DO LIKE HITTING THE VICTIMS OF TERRORIST
ATTACKS.