MEANWHILE, WE WANT TO TURN TO
CARLOS GHOSN'S GREAT ESCAPE.
JAPAN'S JUSTICE MINISTER IS
ORDERING AN INVESTIGATION INTO
CARLOS GHOSN'S HE'S
CARLOS GHOSN'S EE'S
CARLOS GHOSN'S ESCS
CARLOS GHOSN'S ESCAPE.
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>> REPORTER: DETAILS OF THE
ESCAPE ARE COMING OUT LITTLE BY
LITTLE.
THE LATEST FROM JAPANESE STATE
MEDIA IS THAT HE TOOK A PUBLIC
BULLET TRAIN FROM HIS HOME IN
TOKYO, THREE HOURS TO THE
AIRPORT IN OSAKA.
ONCE HE WAS AT THE AIRPORT HE
WAS LOADED INTO A LARGE BLACK
BOX, TYPICALLY USED FOR CARRYING
AUDIO EQUIPMENT, THAT BOX
REPORTEDLY HAD AIR HOLES SO HE
COULD BREATHE AND WAS TOO BIG TO
PUT THROUGH THE X-RAY MACHINE AT
THE AIRPORT.
JAPANESE OFFICIALS INVESTIGATING
THE ESCAPE.
THE COUNTRY'S JUSTICE MINISTER
SAYS IT WILL TIGHTEN IMMIGRATION
RULES BECAUSE OF IT.
GHOSN MADE IT TO LEBANON THROUGH
TURKEY AS YOU SEE THERE.
A PRIVATE JET COMPANY FILED A
COMPLAINT AND FIVE PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN ARRESTED AFTER FLIGHT
RECORDS WERE CHANGED TO REMOVE
ANY MENTION OF GHOSN.
TWO SECURITY GUARDS FROM THE
U.S. WERE REPORTEDLY ON-BOARD
THE PRIVATE PLANE, ACCORDING TO
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.
LEBANON HAS NO IMMEDIATE PLANS
TO EXTRADITE GHOSN TO JAPAN EVEN
THOUGH THERE'S A RED NOTICE FROM
INTERPOL.
GHOSN IS EXPECTED TO HOLD A
PRESS CONFERENCE ON WEDNESDAY.
I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED YOU
SPOKE TO HIM AND KNOW A LITTLE
OF WHAT TO EXPECT AT THE PRESS
CONFERENCE.
MARIA: I SPOKE WITH CARLOS
GHOSN THIS WEEKEND AND TALKED A
BIT ABOUT WHAT HE'S GOING TO
RELEASE ON WEDNESDAY AND
THURSDAY AND A HE SAID THAT HE
HAS ACTUAL EVIDENCE, DOCUMENTS
THAT WILL PROVE THAT THIS WAS A
COUP TO TAKE HIM DOWN.
HE SAID THAT HE'S GOING TO NAME
NAMES, SOME PEOPLE FROM THE
JAPANESE GOVERNMENT ARE BEHIND
THIS, THAT THEY WANTED TO TAKE
HIM OUT BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO
MERGE NISSAN WITH RENAULT AND
ONCE HE GAVE UP THE CEO POSITION
TO MR. SAKAAWA, HE SAID THAT PUT
HIM IN A DANGEROUS POSITION.
HE SHOULD HAVE LEFT JAPAN ALL
TOGETHER INSTEAD OF BEING A
SUPPORT SYSTEM.
HE SAID THAT HE WAS REALLY
UNNERVED AN UPSET THAT HE MISSED
SO MUCH IN TERMS OF THE JAPANESE
JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND BASICALLY
STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAM HE'LL'S
BACK WAS -- CAMEL'S BACK WAS THE
GOVERNMENT TOLD HIM HE WAS
UNABLE, HE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO
SPEAK TO HIS WIFE, CAROL GHOSN,
EVEN THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS.
HE WAS ABLE TO SEE HIS DAUGHTERS
AND COUSINS IN THIS TOKYO
APARTMENT THAT THE GOVERNMENT
PUT HIM IN BUT HE WAS UNABLE TO
SEE HIS WIFE OR TALK TO HER AND
SO HE WAS NOT EXPECTING A FAIR
TRIAL AND HE SAID HE'S NOT GOING
TO SIT IN THIS APARTMENT BEING
WATCHED 24/7 AND KNOW THAT HE'S
NOT GOING TO GET A FAIR TRIAL.
HE SAID HE'S WILLING TO HAVE HIS
CASE HEARD IN FRONT OF ANY COURT
YOU ASIDE FROM JAPAN AND HE
15EUD HE'S GOING TO SAY THAT ON
-- HE SAID HE'S GOING TO SAY
THAT ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.
I SAT DOWN REQUEST
I SAT DOWN WEQUEST
I SAT DOWN WITUEST
I SAT DOWN WITHEST
I SAT DOWN WITH HT
I SAT DOWN WITH HIS WIFE BACK IN
APRIL ON THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED
HER ABOUT HER HUSBAND'S TRIAL IN
JAPAN.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO
HIM.
>> NO, NO.
MARIA: WHAT ARE THEY TELLING
YOU IN RESPONSE TO WHY YOU CAN'T
EVEN -- HE CAN'T EVEN MAKE A
PHONE CALL?
>> THIS IS THEIR JUDICIAL
SYSTEM, THESE ARE THEIR LAWS AND
THIS IS JAPAN, AS THEY SAY.
MARIA: THEY ARE THE THIRD
LARGEST ECONOMY AND THEY SAID
THEY WERE A DEMOCRACY BUT THERE
HAVEN'T BEEN FORMAL CHARGES AND
HE CAN'T DEFEND HIMSELF.
DO YOU BELIEVE HE WILL GET A
FAIR TRIAL?
>> WELL, ACCORDING TO HIS
LAWYERS, THEY'RE NOT TOO
CONFIDENT BECAUSE THE SIGNS THAT
WE'VE BEEN SEEING, NO.
MARIA: YOU DON'T THINK HE'LL
GET A FAIR TRIAL?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
I HOPE HE WILL FOR OUR SAKE.
BECAUSE IF HE DOESN'T GET A FAIR
TRIAL, CARLOS IS INNOCENT, BUT
HIS LAWYERS ARE NOT TOO
CONFIDENT.
MARIA: AND BY THE WAY, AS PROOF
THAT WHAT HE WAS DOING WAS
RIGHT, HE POINTS TO THE FACT
THAT SINCE HE LEFT NISSAN, THE
MARKET CAPITALIZATION OF THE
COMPANY DROPPED $12 BILLION.
HE SAID IT NEEDED TO BE MERGED.
IT NEEDED HELP.
BUT THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT WANT
TO SEE IT GET ACQUIRED BY A
FRENCH COMPANY, THAT BEING
RENAULT.
JOINING US NOW IS FOX NEWS
SENIOR JUDICIAL ANALYST, JUDGE
ANDREW NAPOLITANO.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A JUDICIAL
SYSTEM LIKE THIS IN JAPAN, NO
DUE PROCESS.
>> NO DUE PROCESS, YOU ARE
PRESUMED GUILTY RATHER THAN
PRESUMED INNOCENT BECAUSE THE
GOVERNMENT WINS NORTH OF 99% OF
ALL CRIMINAL TRIALS.
NOW, IT GETS TO CHOOSE WHO IT'S
GOING TO TRY AND IT ONLY TRIES
CASES THAT IT KNOWS IT'S GOING
TO WIN.
BUT CARLOS GHOSN KNEW HE WAS NOT
GOING TO HAVE DUDASH-
MARIA: WHAT YOU SAID IS SO
IMPORTANT.
HOW COULD A SYSTEM BE FAIR IF
99% OF THE PEOPLE GET CONVICTED.
>> THAT'S THE ANSWER.
MARIA: THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR.
>> THE SYSTEM IS PROFOUNDLY
UNFAIR.
LOOK, THIS WAS A CIVIL DISPUTE
OVER CONTROL OF A CORPORATION
AND WHETHER OR NOT IT OUGHT TO
HAVE MERGED.
TO CRIMINALIZE A CIVIL DISPUTE
LIKE THIS IS A PROFOUND
VIOLATION OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS
AND CERTAINLY OF OUR WESTERN
STYLE DUE PROCESS.
WHAT HAPPENS TO HIM NEXT IS A
LITTLE BIT OF A MYSTERY.
HE'S PROBABLY SAFE IN LEBANON.
A, THERE'S NO EXTRADITION TREATY
BETWEEN LEBANON AND JAPAN.
B, HE'S VERY CLOSE TO THE
CURRENT LEBANON GOVERNMENT AND
THE POWER ELITES AND POWER
STRUCTURE IN LEBANON.
HE WOULD BE IN DANGER IF HE WENT
TO OTHER COUNTRIES.
HE ALSO HAS TO LOOK OVER HIS
SHOULDER BECAUSE IF HE IS
KIDNAPPED IN LEBANON AND BROUGHT
TO JAPAN, JAPAN DOESN'T CARE HOW
HE GOT THERE.
THEY DON'T CARE WHAT CRIMES WERE
COMMITTED TO GET HIM THERE.
I'M SURE HE IS WELL FORTIFIED
AND WELL PROTECTED.
I'M SAYING THIS AS SOMEONE WHO
BELIEVES IN THE RULE OF LAW BUT
WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT THE RULE OF
LAW AS WE APPRECIATE IT IN THE
WESTERN WORLD FLATLY DOES NOT
EXIST IN JAPAN.
AND GHOSN AND HIS --
DAGEN: ESPECIALLY DOESN'T EXIST
IF YOU'RE NOT JAPANESE.
THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT PEOPLE
WHO ARE NOT FROM THEIR COUNTRY.
>> THEY ALSO TREAT THEIR OWN
PEOPLE THAT WAY.
MARIA: THAT'S WHAT CARLOS SAID
THIS WEEKEND, HE SAID THERE ARE
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
RIGHT NOW BEING FACED BY THIS
SAME JUDICIAL SYSTEM THAT IT'S
INCREDIBLY UNFAIR AND UNJUST AND
THAT'S WHY HE FLED.
>> IT'S A TERRIBLE
EMBARRASSMENT TO THEM.
HE WALKED OUT OF HIS APARTMENT,
GOT ON A
GOT ON TRAIN IN PUBLIC.
HE MAY HAVE HAD A BREATHING MASK
THAT A LOT OF JAPANESE PEOPLE
WEAR.
DAGEN: HE WAS HIDDEN IN A CASE
USED FOR STEREO EQUIPMENT.
MARIA: AFTER HE GOT INTO THE --
>> AFTER HE GOT OFF THE TRAIN
WHICH WAS A THREE HOUR TRAIN
RIDE.
MARIA: THAT'S ANOTHER THING
THAT CARLOS GHOSN SAID TO ME
THIS WEEKEND.
HE SAID THEY ARE SO ONLY BEARED
BECAUSE YOU -- EMBARRASSED.
YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MANY
SECURITY -- I ALWAYS HAD PEOPLE
FOLLOWING ME.
EVERYWHERE I WENT THERE WERE
PEOPLE FOLLOWING HE ME.
IT'S A COMPLETE EGG ON FACE FOR
THE JAPANESE WHO ARE SO PROUD,
WHO THINK HAVE A GREAT SECURITY
SYSTEM IN PLACE.
>> IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO
SEE AND HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY
ON WEDNESDAY.
THE IDEA HE WOULD BE TRIED
ELSEWHERE, I THINK THAT'S JUST A
THROW-AWAY.
NO OTHER COUNTRY IS GOING TO TRY
HIM.
EVEN IF HE DID WHAT THEY SAID HE
DID, IT'S NOT A CRIME.
MARIA: THE JOURNAL WRITES A
WEEK AGO OR COUPLE DAYS A AGO,
SAYING WHO WOULD BLAME CARLOS
GHOSN FOR LEAVING JAPAN AND
FLEEING THE SITUATION.
ELVES NOT FLEEING TO BE UN-- TO
ESCAPE THE LAW.
HE'S FLEEING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T
EXPECT HE WILL GET A FAIR SHOT.
>> THIS IS NOT A ROMAN POLANSKY
FLEE.
THIS IS A FLEE FROM A PERSON WHO
IS INNOCENT OF THE CHARGES AND