what's going on man how you doing
i'm good how are you all what you all up
to man oh what are we nothing much
amused by this uh this wild wild jerry
west
story uh i don't know the nba did
commenter did y'all know the nba was
into comedy
well no that's funny no the funny thing
for me is i've heard of many reporters
uh from ways going by tell me that jerry
west is the dude that will leave you
a tersely worded voicemail like and
say it in not so nice language and at
the end of it be like
um yeah i'm at the office all day give
me a call after just
rearing you out from limb from limb just
standing at the end very very nicely so
i'm not surprised at that what i am
surprised that
is that kawhi leonard has illustrated to
us that he listens to one person and one
person only
kawhi leonard since when did he become
some puppet for
his uncle some intermediaries or anybody
else he had been angling to get to la
for quite a long time
so the fact that he had to be delivered
there like he was jesus shuttlesworth
and he had uncle bubba you know working
the work in the phones for him
like don't forget about family
that's a good pull right there you got
to rob this one you got to rub this on
your arm right here jesus
you know what i mean well no what he
said i want to wet my beak
that's a good pull right there baby
that's a really good point brittany
so here's what me and michael parted
ways earlier
you're right i mean it doesn't it it
doesn't make sense
that you know his uncle or some dude
that's a friend of his uncle and another
dude that's a friend of the friend of
the uncle
it doesn't make sense that would have
anything to do with the basketball
decision
for kawhi leonard right it sounds more
ncaa than nba
gotcha here is where i come down on i'd
love to know where you come down there
because
michael holly has always thought if i
may speak for you again michael he's
always thought they overpaid in terms of
the draft capital
that they gave up for paul george in
order to lure kawhi leonard i disagree
with that
what i'm saying vinnie is that even if
you know this wilkes character even if
it's
not logical to think that he would
actually have some influence or sway
over kawhi leonard
if you're the clippers even if there's a
microscopic
chance that he knows something or can
help in any way
as desperate as the clippers franchise
is to get koala to come
if it's two and a half million dollars
dinner with courtside seats
whatever it is you do it if it will put
you over the top the same way you
fire a color commentator for criticizing
them we ain't even on your
team that's how thirsty they were vinny
you guys you guys have apparently
forgotten what the clippers have been
like throughout their history
this is a team that in donald sterling's
era
celebrated black history month in march
like like this is this is the legacy of
the of the clown
franchise so if that means you got to
give
you know h.r puffin stuff teddy ruxpin
you got to bring
all these people in to get kawhi leonard
i'm going to do it
and here's the other part of it no
matter what draft capital you gave up
you're the los angeles clippers you have
no tradition you have no history
you are not an attractive franchise
especially
if the other franchise in the building
has lebron james
and possibly anthony davis on the way in
which they were at
june of 2019 so if you're the clippers
yet
i'm going to work every single
intermediary i'm going to do everything
possible
you gotta think two million dollars to
me they can sell that on a jersey patch
and get that money back in a week there
is no price
that is too much to pay for relevance
especially if you're a team
like the clippers who have none
all right a couple of things vinnie
number one
people have said for years and years
that black history month is too short
march has 31 days
okay maybe they were just trying to take
it to the next level be a little
aggressive visionary pro-act visionary
yeah
number two you just said
that everybody everybody knew
that kawhi leonard wanted to go to the
to l.a so it's either the lakers or the
clippers
so save your money send your two and a
half million dollars you're not going to
tell me anything about kawhi leonard
that i don't already know
uncle dennis's friend johnny come
on that's true and here's number three
yes they absolutely did give up too much
to acquire
paul george and for that matter paul
george
and kawhi leonard look 10 for 38. do i
need to remind you
vinnie 10 for 38 in game seven after
blowing a 3-1 lead
10 for both of them kawhi and paul
george
10 for 38 disgraceful i don't know
if you're looking at this in the vacuum
you're looking at this thing
you can't look at this in the vacuum of
oh we're just getting shooting from the
side of the backboard
is vacuuming bubble is vacuum synonymous
with bubbles does that happen in the
bubble
that did happen in the bubble here's
here's what i will say
i will say that if you're giving kawhi
leonard too much country
on his way in and not necessarily
establishing
a a culture of how things are going to
go and everything else
yeah that's something but if you're
talking about hey i got to give up these
draft picks and these pick swaps to get
kawhi leonard finals mvp
and paul george top three mvp candidate
no that's not too much and all these
things about draft picks coming down the
pike
there's other ways to acquire draft
capital down the line
you can get all these picks and pick
swaps but until they actually become
players it is your mission to win a
championship
i have no problem with franchises that
go forward and say you know what we're
going to put all our chips to the center
of the table
we're not going to necessarily play for
tomorrow because to me it's like a ponzi
scheme
that's the philadelphia 76ers would i
rather be the
sam henke 76ers or would i rather be the
la clippers that are saying you know
what we're going to challenge the lakers
in their own town
we're going to reframe that that's two
way players in the game and go
forward we're going to have the three of
us right now let's just let's just
establish this
on what's today's date the 18th december
18 2020
the next five years and the answer might
be zero but i just want you to
pick a horse if you want to say who's
your championship horse in the next five
years
oklahoma city thunder or the la clippers
who will win more who will be more
successful
in the next five years do you think it
would be the thunder or the clippers
the thunder the clippers name that coach
named me the coach of the uh thunder for
me please
er it was an assistant he was in a g
league with him
in the league
but you're backing the uh nameless
faceless horse
who's the best player and shea gil just
alexander
vinnie michael thinks kawhi leonard is
over overrated anyway so you kind of
like you know certain people just can't
have a conversation with
he just can't it's it's hard to talk to
somebody who thinks kawhi is overrated
you know he's a top 10 player in the nba
you got to realize that hammer time on
his shoes
come on man i don't think he's this is
not that hard this is not i don't think
he's the best player
he said look he's a top 10 player in l.a
he's the third
he's top ten player in the league third
best player in l.a third best in l.a
okay where's the lie okay where's the
lie okay
okay well put it like this we'll put it
like this put it like this
he's a top three player in basketball in
terms of
his value to his team relative to the
league anthony davis may be
a better player but he will not be able
to be his full best self
playing with lebron james while lebron
is in prime
secondly you don't win the championship
in today's era without him
players mike smith doesn't agree with
you he doesn't agree with you on that
one what's that what's the problem
you don't agree with that person when i
say mike what exactly do you what is
anthony davis not
doing what what what amount of himself
is he not putting forth
playing alongside lebron james he had a
pretty damn good year
in a hell of a postseason right i'm
saying this remember magic and kareem
remember until 87 it was kareem's team
kareem hadn't really handed it over to
magic and then magic started winning
mvps
and the lakers became magic's team like
the second incarnation of the showtime
lakers before then
it was kareem's team they was they were
playing to
the specifications of kareem i think the
lakers are in a similar place where
the culture the identity of it is still
being built around lebron which isn't a
bad thing because
because we all agree to large extent
that he's the best player in the game
which means until this team is built
around anthony davis and bringing out
the best in him
his value is not going to be as great to
the lakers as kawaii
to the clippers and that's not a shocker
at either player no that's just
some way it is it's a worthy sacrifice
and and
i think you can do both i think i think
he could go through lebron and anthony
davis can still be brilliant which
actually brings me to something i didn't
want to ask you
because i mean i got anthony davis going
into 21 as the second best player
i think uh we talked about this before
about his mvp chances
you didn't think he could be mvp sounds
like you wouldn't cast your mvp
vote for a guy that's on the same team
with the best player in the league in
lebron james
if i'm if i'm quoting you right so uh
with that in mind
who is your mvp favorite
going into this season let me just first
off say this there is no team that
lebron james will be on while he is
still in prime
where another player on his team will
ever win any type of mvp on any level
whatsoever
case in point game three through six of
the nba
finals where after the first two games
anthony davis looked like the mvp and in
the last four
he didn't get a good shot that he didn't
create so
with that being said i think luca doncic
is going to wind up being the mvp not
because he's
necessarily the best player in the game
but i think a giannis is going to have
to do something
astronomical to win a third straight mvp
based off of the
the president and based off of how we
know media narrative to be
luca doncic is kind of like the people's
choice for a number of different reasons
in addition to the fact that he's going
to control so much of the offense
he can have a james harden-like
statistical effect
on basketball if you think about it his
closest comp
as a player contemporary wise is james
harden except he's not as great of a
shooter but in terms of controlling
possessions
controlling freezing defenses and
everything else that's the closest comp
mike who was yours did you ever did you
ever give did you ever give your mvp
going into the season yeah
i had a i had a weird we talked about
this yesterday i had a weird
uh trio uh did i say did i say lebron
i think i may have had lebron as as my
one
oh yeah that's what it was yeah you did
you did you did pick lebron you did pick
lebron because i remember i couldn't
count
lebron then i had then i had durant
as two yeah and my wild card my wild
card was jimmy butler is a three
yeah i don't see i don't think it's
lebron and i remember i said to you i
don't think it's lebron because i think
given
you know the truncated off-season i
think there might be a whole lot of
maintenance going on
with the lakers that's just my guess
what do you think about i went i went
off the off the board not well i'm sure
he's on the board somewhere but i went
dark horse
and i went dame lillard what do you
think about that vinny
you got to show me a world where dame
little's a better player than stephen
curry
i i apologize to steph curry earlier
okay i
i did apologize steph curry earlier and
i know it's the kings but 29 and back to
back he looks like he's coming for his
third
so i'm not necessarily saying that dame
is better than steph curry
but i am impressed with the off-season
that the blazers had
and i know dame was going off in the
bubble i can see the blazers finishing
with a better record this year than the
warriors
potentially um and i think dave's gonna
have a brilliant year so that's that's
that's what my logic is and
also i think you said with luca people's
champ
or people's choice there's very much uh
a people's
champ you know vibe around dame lillard
as well
well i think luca doncic has a different
sort of advantage with the people that
damn little will never have
given just by his hue now i will say
this
about the game you're talking about
that's what i'm saying
that this is you got you got to read
between the lines sometimes but
here's my thing russell westbrook is the
only mvp
post let's say uh playoff expansion
that has not played on a 50 win team now
granted
we're going to be in a 72 game season so
it's going to be hard to sort of figure
that out the reason i didn't vote for us
in 2017 was because of thunder did not
win 50 games that's my precedent
is you got to be on the 50-win team now
you know i haven't done the math but
maybe that's 42-43 wins
you know in this case i don't know if
portland's going to be a good enough
team to win enough games that elevates
dame in that discussion
compared to like i said we know some of
these voters are narrative voters the
steph curry comeback
narrative the kevin durant comeback
narrative the lebron james oh we should
have guessed
this award last year exactly it's his if
he wants it this year because he's
he feels like he's my middle favorite
going into this year
i don't but see i don't see how i don't
see how the playoffs
negated what type of regular season
giannis had
and the type of players that lebron
plays with in terms of the guy we just
mentioned anthony davis that's a pretty
damn good advantage
and having that type of guy on your team
that elevates everybody
else including you making the game
easier for you
so guys i think it depends on what the
storyline
is i think luca is because of coming off
the playoffs and everything else that's
sort of a hot name
to me and i can y'all can call me crazy
and i'm sure y'all will
if kevin durant is completely healthy
he's the best player in basketball and i
don't know if that's necessarily a
discussion
i don't know about best player but i got
i'm close to you i got number two i
wouldn't say uh
not one's a number two player i get it i
thought i thought he's been the best
player since like 2016
2017. i don't look hey
benny i don't know if he's going to be
the mvp i really don't know who's coming
the mvp i do know who's going to be a
coach of the year though the coach of
the thunder
that's a good one hey before before we
let you go
um and so next week we got a short week
uh
because of christmas so we got monday
tuesday wednesday so we'll probably see
you wednesday
so this time or not even this time but
next week next time we talk
to you the rockets first game of the
regular season i believe is wednesday
next time we talk to you given the
latest reporting will james harden still
be a houston rocket
i mean it's a lot of smoke right now but
i think smart money says that he's going
to be
in philadelphia sooner or later i think
that's the deal that's on the table
by enlarge i don't trust daryl moore
when he says we're keeping ben simmons
because he told chris paul you know a
couple days before he got traded i ain't
trading you
so i'm i'm not necessarily trusting
daryl murray on the people stuff
but i think by a lot i think there could
be a three-team deal
bringing ben simmons out of philadelphia
i'm not saying he's coming to houston i
think that's where the third team comes
into play
because since when do we know daryl
morey to value someone like ben simmons
who can't shoot and won't shoot
on his team so you think houston would
would do a deal that does not bring back
ben simmons or bring
somebody better than ben simmons to
houston
i mean it depends on how you view john
wall i don't i don't speak to any i
don't have any
uh anything that i'm ready to report or
whatever but i can see there being a
third team involved
i've heard that over the last couple of
days that it wouldn't just be just a
straight
swap although i believe that if nothing
comes to fruition
by the trade deadline that they could do
a straight-up deal but i think they want
to bring
a third team for whatever reason so i
would not be surprised if a third team
got involved
because of the fact that you want to
showcase ben simmons as the best player
on your team and not have him have to
share the ball share the spotlight
i think he's good enough i think he's
good enough to be a giannis-like figure
given the deficiencies in his game even
though if i'm philadelphia i'm getting
him out of there because he doesn't fit
with what they're trying to do
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