>> >>> COLLATERAL MEANS KIDS BEING
LEFT.
LEFT. IT MEANS MOMS, DADS, FAMILIES
BEING TORN APART.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.
>> SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON THIS
AWFUL ADMINISTRATION.
AWFUL ADMINISTRATION. >> I’M GOING TO APPEAL TO THE
PEOPLE OF FAITH, FAITH BASED
ORGANIZATIONS, TO APPEAL TO THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
SECURITY AND SAFETY OF THE
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. >> DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS REACTING
TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION’S
PLANNED NATIONWIDE IMMIGRATION
RAIDS SCHEDULED TO BEGIN ON
SUNDAY.
SUNDAY. THOSE RAIDS, WHICH WERE
POSTPONED THREE WEEKS AGO, ARE
SET TO TARGET AROUND 2,000
FAMILIES IN MAJOR CITIES ACROSS
THE U.S. INCLUDING CHICAGO,
HOUSTON, AND SAN FRANCISCO.
JOINING US NOW FORMER SENIOR
ADVISER FOR THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT
AND GOVERNMENT REFORM COMMITTEE,
KURT BARREDELLA AND FORMER
SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY
UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA, OUT WITH
AN ARTICLE ENTITLED "TRUMP ERA
POLITICS ARE DROWNING OUT
CONSENSUS ON IMMIGRATION.
IT IS TIME FOR SOME STRAIGHT
TALK.
TALK. HE WRITES IN PART THIS.
IT’S TIME FOR STRAIGHT TALK ON
IMMIGRATION.
IMMIGRATION. THERE’S ALMOST NONE LEFT IN THE
HIGHLY EMOTIONAL AND POLITICIZED
ENVIRONMENT OF THE TRUMP ERA.
TO WIN SUPPORT FROM A VOCAL AND
COMMITTED SEGMENT OF A MAJOR
PARTY’S BASE, AND SIMPLY FOR THE
SAKE OF A GOOD APPLAUSE LINE
CANDIDATES FOR OFFICE NOW
ESPOUSE EXTREME POLICY PROPOSALS
THAT ARE UNWORKABLE AND HAVE NO
HOPE OF WINNING THE BROAD
SUPPORT OF CONGRESS AND THE
PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT.
AS SOMEONE WHO HAS HELD PUBLIC
OFFICE AND TOOK THAT
RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY, I ALSO
KNOW IT TO BE REALISTIC.
THOSE WHO ASPIRE TO PUBLIC
OFFICE SHOULD NOT ESPOUSE
CAMPAIGN PROMISES THAT HAVE NO
PROSPECT FOR SUCCESS.
THIS IS A DISSERVICE TO OUR
DEMOCRACY AND ASSUMES VOTERS ARE
FOOLS.
FOOLS. HERE IS A RADICAL PROPOSAL.
A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO IS
WILLING TO EDUCATE, ENLIGHTEN,
AND TELL VOTERS THE HARD TRUTHS.
THIS TRAIT HAS ALL BUT
EVAPORATED IN U.S. POLITICS, BUT
IT IS THE SINGLE BEST JOB
QUALIFICATION FOR THOSE WHO
ASPIRE TO LEAD.
JAY, LET’S GO ON WITH THE
STRAIGHT TALK.
STRAIGHT TALK. YOU HEARD THOSE DEMOCRATS,
VERONICA ESCOBAR ESPECIALLY
EMOTIONAL.
EMOTIONAL. SHAME ON THIS TERRIBLE
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. I THINK MANY AGREE WHAT IS
HAPPENING AT THE BORDER
ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN BUT
WITH ALL HUMAN BEINGS BEING HELD
IN CAGES AND IN UNSANITARY
CONDITIONS, I MEAN, THIS IS
SOMETHING I THINK WE CAN ALL
AGREE ON, IS IT NOT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO VISITED
THE BORDER AND HAVE BEEN TO
THESE FACILITIES WHO COME AWAY
EMOTIONAL AND UPSET I BELIEVE
ARE ENTITLED TO BE EMOTIONAL AND
UPSET.
UPSET. I’VE BEEN THERE A NUMBER OF
TIMES MYSELF WHEN I WAS IN
OFFICE.
OFFICE. THE CONDITIONS ARE HORRIBLE.
OUR DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
SECURITY, OUR BORDER PATROL,
I.C.E., AND OUR PRESIDENT SHOULD
COMMIT TO DOING A BETTER JOB.
AMERICANS SHOULD DEMAND THAT.
MIKA, THE REASON I WROTE THE
OP-ED IS I FEEL AS THOUGH IN
THIS DEBATE RIGHT NOW WHAT IS
BEING LOST IS THE OVERWHELMING
CONSENSUS THAT I KNOW EXISTS
AMONG THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT,
YES.
YES. WE SHOULD BE FAIR AND HUMANE TO
THOSE WHO ARE HERE PARTICULARLY
THE DREAMERS, PARTICULARLY THOSE
WHO CAME HERE AS CHILDREN.
THOSE WHO ARE HERE FOR YEARS,
WHO ARE DEFACTO AMERICANS BUT
AMERICANS ALSO WANT A SECURE
BORDER.
BORDER. YOU GO TO LAREDO, TEXAS, FOR
EXAMPLE, WHICH IS 85% HISPANIC,
HISPANIC AMERICAN THE PEOPLE
WILL TELL YOU YES WE NEED TO
TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
HERE, BE FAIR, FIX OUR SYSTEM
BUT ALSO SECURE THE BORDER.
I AM AFRAID THAT IS BEING LOST
IN THE CURRENT PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATE.
DEBATE. THAT’S WHY I WROTE THE OP-ED.
>> KURT, THERE IS ANOTHER
HEARING TODAY IN THE HOUSE
OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE OVER THE
SEPARATED CHILDREN AT THE
BORDER.
BORDER. WITH OUR POLITICS SO DIVIDED AND
WITH THE TWO PARTIES AND THE TWO
CHAMBERS SO FAR APART ON THIS
ISSUE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ANOTHER
HEARING IS GOING TO DO?
HOW IS IT REALLY GOING TO CHANGE
THE DYNAMIC RIGHT NOW GIVEN
WHERE WE ARE IN OUR POLITICS?
>> I’M NOT SURE IT IS GOING TO
CHANGE ANYTHING BUT I DO THINK
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT CONGRESS
USE THE TOOLS THAT THEY HAVE TO
SHOW CASE WHAT IS ACTUALLY
HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY, WHAT
THE CONSEQUENCES ARE.
HEARING FROM PROFESSIONALS IN
THESE TYPE OF HEARINGS ABOUT
WHAT THE ACTUAL REAL WORLD
IMPACT IS OF THE POLICIES WE’RE
SEEING PUT IN PLACE, HOW THEY
AFFECT HUMAN BEINGS, YOU KNOW,
CONGRESS CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH AS
WE KNOW, WE’VE SEEN THE
LIMITATIONS OF CONGRESS AND OF
HAVING THAT MAJORITY, BUT
HOLDING HEARINGS AND PUTTING ON
THAT SHOW EVERY DAY IS REALLY
THE ONLY THING THEY CAN DO TO
STOP THE ADMINISTRATION THAT
CONTINUES TO JUST GOVERN AND ACT
BY EXECUTIVE FIAT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THE REASON
WE’RE IN THIS SITUATION IN THE
FIRST PLACE, THE LACK OF
PROGRESS ON IMMIGRATION FROM A
POLICY STANDPOINT IS 100%
BECAUSE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
EVERY TIME THERE HAS BEEN A
POTENTIAL CONSENSUS,
POTENTIAL CONSENSUS, COLLABORATIVE POSITION ON
IMMIGRATION, IT HAS BEEN TANK
ROLLED BY THE RIGHT.
BACK IN THE 2000s WE HAD JOHN
McCAIN AND ED KENNEDY WORKING ON
ALL OF THIS, HAVING A BILL.
THE RIGHT TANK ROLLED IT.
IN 2010, 2014, WE HAD THE GANG
OF EIGHT BILL THAT WAS SUPPOSED
TO GO SOMEWHERE.
HERE COMES THE RIGHT AND THEY
ANNIHLIATED IT.
ANNIHLIATED IT. I THINK THE SECRETARY IS RIGHT.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMING
TOGETHER BUT EVERY TIME WE HAVE
THAT MOMENT, THE DEMOCRATS ARE
THERE.
THERE. IT’S THE RIGHT, ON THE
REPUBLICAN SIDE, THAT ENDS UP
DESTROYING IT.
DESTROYING IT. >> MR. SECRETARY, JOE BIDEN IS
UNDER ATTACK FROM SOME
PROGRESSIVE ADVOCATES FOR
IMMIGRATION SAYING THAT HE
SERVED UNDER A PRESIDENT WHOM
THEY CALLED THE
DEPORTER-IN-CHIEF BECAUSE HE
EXECUTED REMOVAL ORDERS.
WE HAVE THESE OUTSTANDING I.C.E.
RAIDS ANNOUNCED IN ADVANCE,
WHICH IS BIZARRE, BUT THERE ARE
SOME 1 MILLION EXISTING REMOVAL
ORDERS.
ORDERS. THIS IS THE EXECUTION OF THOSE
ORDERS.
ORDERS. HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID?
>> FIRST, EVEN THE MOST
AGGRESSIVE IMMIGRATION
AGGRESSIVE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT PERSON WILL TELL
YOU, YOU DON’T TELEGRAPH
ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS IN ADVANCE.
THAT IS NOT AN OPTIMAL SITUATION
FROM THE ENFORCEMENT
PERSPECTIVE.
PERSPECTIVE. DEPORTATIONS OCCUR ALL THE TIME.
OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ORDERED
DEPORTED BY AN IMMIGRATION
JUDGE, HOPEFULLY AFTER THEY HAVE
EXHAUSTED THEIR APPEAL RIGHTS
AND HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE
THEIR ASYLUM CASE HEARD, WE
SIMPLY HAVE TO ENFORCE THE LAW,
PARTICULARLY IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN
ORDERED DEPORTED.
ORDERED DEPORTED. NOW, THESE HIGH PROFILE FOCUSED
ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, IT IS
IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO REMEMBER
THAT THEY DO HAVE RIGHTS IF THEY
ARE ARRESTED FROM I.C.E., IF
THEY’RE ORDERED DEPORTED IN
ABSENTIA VERY OFTEN THEY HAVE A
RIGHT TO A REHEARING IN PERSON,
AND THEY CANNOT BE DEPORTED
UNTIL THE PROCESS HAS RUN ITS
COURSE.
COURSE. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY’VE
EXHAUSTED ALL THEIR APPEAL
RIGHTS.
RIGHTS. SO IT IS IMPORTANT FOR MIGRANTS
TO KNOW THEY HAVE RIGHTS.
ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, THEMSELVES,
ARE NOT EXTRAORDINARY.
>> MR. SECRETARY, YOU MENTIONED
THE ISSUE OF RIGHTS AND KNOWING
YOUR RIGHTS AND WE’RE SEEING
RIGHT NOW IN THE RUNNUP TO THIS
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THERE IS GOING
TO BE THESE RAIDS, KIND OF
GRANDSTANDING FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION, THAT THERE IS
THIS WIDESPREAD CONCERN THAT
THEY’RE PREYING ON PEOPLE WHO
DON’T KNOW THEIR RIGHTS, WHO
DON’T KNOW IF YOU DON’T HAVE A
WARRANT SIGNED BY A JUDGE YOU
DON’T HAVE TO OPEN THAT DOOR
WHEN THEY COME KNOCKING.
I’M CURIOUS.
I’M CURIOUS. BEING FROM THE POSITION THAT
YOU’RE IN, AS DHS SECRETARY, HOW
DO YOU BALANCE LAW ENFORCEMENT
ACTIONS WITH KNOWING AND
PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF THE
PEOPLE THAT YOU’RE PURSUING?
>> WELL, IT’S NOT EASY.
YOU’RE RIGHT.
YOU’RE RIGHT. VERY OFTEN THE POPULATION, THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE FOCUSED ON HERE,
ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAST
SOPHISTICATED WHEN IT COMES TO
KNOWING THEIR RIGHTS,
UNDERSTANDING THEIR RIGHTS IN
THIS COUNTRY, WHICH IS WHY THE
IMMIGRATION BAR, IMMIGRATION
LAWYERS ARE SO IMPORTANT IN THIS
DEBATE.
DEBATE. I’VE BEEN PLEASED OVER THE LAST
TWO OR THREE YEARS TO SEE THE
IMMIGRATION BAR IN THIS COUNTRY
REALLY STEP UP AND EXPAND AT THE
BORDER, IN THE INTERIOR, AND SO
IMMIGRATION LAWYERS ARE IN A
POSITION TO DO A LOT OF GOOD
HERE.
HERE. I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING
THAT WAS SAID BEFORE.
AS RECENTLY AT FIVE, SIX YEARS
AGO, THERE WAS A BIPARTISAN
UNDERSTANDING THAT IF YOU WANTED
TO HAVE IMMIGRATION REFORM, IF
YOU WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF THE
DREAMERS, YOU WANTED TO HAVE A
PATH TO CITIZENSHIP, WE ALL
UNDERSTOOD WE ALSO HAVE TO DO
MORE TO SECURE OUR BORDER.
THAT IS THE BASIS FOR BRINGING
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. THAT DYNAMIC SIMPLY DOES NOT
EXIST ANYMORE IN WASHINGTON
WHICH IS WHY I’M PESSIMISTIC
ANYTHING CAN REALLY GET DONE.
>> ALL RIGHT.
FORMER SECRETARY OF HOMELAND
SECURITY, JEH JOHNSON, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
VERY MUCH. KURT BARDELLA, THANK YOU AS
WELL.
WELL. BEFORE WE GO TODAY, HERE’S A
QUICK LOOK AT SOME OF THE
HEADLINES THIS MORNING FROM THE
EARLY VOTING STATES AROUND THE
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. IN SOUTH CAROLINA, "THE HERALD"
LEADS WITH "I.C.E. POISED FOR
NATIONWIDE ROUNDUP FOR
DEPORTATION."
DEPORTATION." IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, "THE VALLEY
NEWS" GOES WITH, "TRUMP ENDS BID
FOR CITIZENSHIP QUESTION."
AND AFFECTING HOW VOTERS
NATIONWIDE GET THEIR NEWS, "THE
NEW YORK POST" REPORTS STARBUCKS
WILL STOP SELLING NEWSPAPERS AT
ITS MORE THAN 8600 SHOPS
NATIONWIDE AS OF SEPTEMBER 1st.
WOW.