REMOVING RUSSIA FROM THE G 20
AND ADDING TO NATO DEFENSES ON
THE EASTERN FLANK AND SANCTIONS
AGAINST RUSSIA, MORE SANCTIONS.
JOINING US IS THE FORMER BRITISH
PRIME MINISTER, GOON BROWN.
IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING
US.
WE'VE BEEN CALLING FOR A SPECIAL
INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL TO
INVESTIGATE FOR THIS INVASION.
WHAT SIGNAL DO YOU THINK THAT
WOULD SEND PUTIN AND THE WORLD?
>> I THINK IN ADDITION TO THE
SANCTIONS, MILITARY HELP, TRAVEL
BANS, THE SUPPORT FOR REFUGEES,
WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THE CLEAR HE
CANNOT ACT WITH IMPUNITY AND
THAT'S WHY MANY GLOBAL LEADERS,
PRESIDENTS, PRIME MINISTERS,
FORMER PRESIDENTS AND PRIME
MINISTERS HAVE BACKED THE CALL
BEING MADE BY THE EUROPEAN
GOVERNMENT FOR US TO SUPPORT AN
INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL THAT
WOULD TRY PRESIDENT PUTIN AND
HIS INNER CIRCLE FOR THE CRIME
OF AGGRESSION.
I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAKE IT
ABSOLUTELY CLEAR WHAT'S
HAPPENING IS AGAINST ALL NRLT
INTERNATIONAL LAW.
TARGETING OF PLACES LIKE SCHOOLS
AND BREACH OF HUMANITARIAN
CORRIDORS, BREACH OF CEASEFIRES
PREVIOUSLY ARRANGED.
THE THREAT OF USING NUCLEAR
POWER STATIONS AS BLACKMAIL.
AS MY OLD FRIEND, PETRAEUS HAS
BEEN SAYING, EVEN THE THREAT OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
JUST AS NUREMBERG, IN THE 1940s,
WITH YUGOSLAVIA AND WHERE WAR
CRIMES WERE TRIED BUT PRESIDENT
PUTIN IS COMMITTING THESE CRIMES
AND HE'S GOT TO BE BROUGHT TO
JUSTICE.
THERE MAY BE AN AGREEMENT FOR
PEACE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE
THAT.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO
SAY THESE ARE INTERNATIONAL
CRIMES THAT DESERVE THE
PUNISHMENT OF THE WAR.
>> OFTEN TIMES WAR CRIMES,
TRIBUNALS TAKE SO MANY YEARS TO
PROVE AND REACHVICTION
CONVICTIONS AND COULD SOMETHING
BE DONE MORE QUICKLY IN --
>> THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE CRIME OF AGGRESSION.
THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMMAL COURT
CAN TRY WAR CRIMES, CRIMES
AGAINST HUMANITY AND GENOCIDE.
BUT THAT TAKES A HUGE AMOUNT OF
TIME AND TAKES PROOF AND
EVIDENCE .
THE CRIME OF AGGRESSION IS THE
INITIAL CRIME.
IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT IS WHAT
HAS HAPPENED.
IT'S THE INCURSION INTO A
SOVEREIGN STATE.
THE CONTINUATION OF THAT BY
ATTACKING CITIES.
IT STARTED IN 2014 WITH THE
INVASION OF CRIMEA.
AND SO, YOU COULD BRING
TOGETHER, IF A NUMBER OF STATES
CAME TOGETHER TO SUPPORT UKRAINE
AND A NUMBER OF COUNTRIES ARE
LOOKING AT THIS. YOU CAN HAVE AN INDICTMENT IN A
YOU CAN HAVE AN INDICTMENT IN A
COUPLE OF MONTHS AND PLAY.
AND SO, I THINK THINGS COULD
MOVE FORWRTD.
THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO
RECOGNIZE AND THE WORLD THEY'RE
NOT GOING TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF
THE MATTER.
AND RECING UGINIZE AS IMMORAL AND THEY'RE LIBEL FOR
AND THEY'RE LIBEL FOR
PUNISHMENT.
AND BE DECIDED TO MOVE AND TO
ADMIT THEIR CRIMES AND HELP
PROSECUTE.
AND I THINK IT'S ALSO SENDING A
STRONG MESSAGE TO THOSE PEOPLE
PROSECUTING THE WAR THAT THEY
WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACT WITH
IMPUNITY.
>> YOU'VE DEALT WITH VLADIMIR
PUTIN BEFORE.
DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY WAY TO
GET HYMN TO BACK DOWN AND
COMPROMISE AND AGREE TO A
CEASEFIRE?
>> I'VE MET PRESIDENT PUTIN ON
MANY OCCASIONS AND HE DID
EXACTBLY WHAT HE'S DONE IN THE
LAST FEW WEEKS.
HE SAID OIL AND GAS, WE CAN SELL
TO THE EAST OR WEST.
IT'S UP TO YOU.
AND IT WAS THREATENING AND HE
THREATENS PEOPLE AND I DON'T
THINK HE'S CHANGED IN THAT AND
HE BELIEVES THREAT WORKS.
THE ONLY THING HE UNDERSTANDS IS
STRENGTH OF THE ALLIES COMING
TOGETHER, WHICH IS WHAT'S
HAPPENING AT THIS NATO SUMMIT
AND WHICH PRESIDENT BIDEN IS AT
TOMORROW.
AND WHAT HE EXPLOITS ALL THE
TIME, HIS WEAKNESS.
IF WE ARE WEAK, THEN HE WILL
MOVE FORWARD.
IF WE SHOW STRENGTH, THEN WECAN
PUSH HIM BACK.
THE ACTION TAKEN UNDER THE
EUROPEAN CONVENTION OF HUMAN
RIGHTS AND THEN THE MORE SIMPLE
WAY IS TO SAY THIS IS A CRIME OF
AGGRESSION.
WHENEVER THERE IS AGGRESSION,
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIABILITY
FOR PUNISHMENT.
THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW
AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WE GET
MESSAGES IN TO TELL PEOPLE THAT
WHAT IS EXPLAINING WHAT HE CALLS
AN ISOLATED MILITARY INCIDENT IS
ACTUALLY A WAR AGAINST THE
SOVEREIGN PEOPLE AND I WANT TO
RESPOND BECAUSE IN THE MIDST OF
ALL THE SUFFERING, HEARTS
BROKEN.
COURAGE HAS BEEN UNBREAKABLE,
UNITY INDESTRUCTIBLE AND WE'VE
GOT TO SEND A MESSAGE WE'RE
DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO
GIVE THEM SUPPORT.
>> NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER,
JAKE SULLIVAN, SAYS IT'S TIME TO
CONSIDER KICKING RUSSIA OUT OF
THE G 20.
SHOULD THAT BE DONE?
>> WHEN I WAS MEETING, RUSSIA
WAS REMOVED FROM THE G 8.
THEY RYED TO CREATE A G 8 OUT OF
THE G 7 AND JOURNALANY AND OTHER
COUNTRIES WERE KEEN AND THEY
WANTED RUSSIA TO BE PART OF THE
ADVANCED ECONOMIES TRYING TO
MAKE FOR A BETTER WORLD.
BUT THEY HAD TO BE KICKED OUT.
AND EQUALLY, THEIR POSITION AT
THE G 20 IS I DON'T THINK
PRESIDENT PUTIN HAS ATTENDED
MEETINGS FOR SOME TIME AND HE IS
AND WILL BE, AS LONG AS HE'S
PRESIDENT, A PARIAH ON THE
INTERNATIONAL STAGE.
BECAUSE TO TAKE THE CRIME OF
AGGRESSION AND PURSUE THIS
HATRED OF THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE,
EVERYTHING WE'VE TAKEN FOR
GRANTED SINCE 1990, THE
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WORKS
THROUGH DIPLOMACY AND
INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTIONS.
HE'S TURNING IT COMPLIGHTETELY O
ITS HEAD AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE
IT CLEAR THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE IN
THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.
>> AND WHAT SHOULD WE DO IF HE
USES NUCLEAR -- GOD FORBID
NUCLEAR BUT CHEMICAL, BIOLOGICAL
WEAPONS?
IS THERE ANY WAY TO STOP --
>> YES, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND IN GENERAL PETRAEUS TOUCHED
ON THIS.
PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS MADE IT
ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, AS WHETHER THE
ALL THE -- AS WILL ALL THE NATO
LEADERS TOMORROW, CHEMICAL
WEAPONS WILL REQUIRE A HUGE
RESPONSE BY THE WEST.
PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID HE'S GOING
TO CALL FOR NEW SANCTIONS AND
HE'LL WANT EUROPE TO DO MORE IN
OIL AND GAS, MORE ON TRADE.
HE'LL WANT MORE TO BE DONE TO ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE
ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE
OLIGARCHS ARE RILEY DEPRIEVLVED
THEIR WEALTH AND PROPERTY SAIDIE
AND THERE'S ALREADY A SUGGESTION
HE'S USESED VACUUM BOMBS, WHICH
ARE ILLEGAL IN THE CONDUCT OF
WAR.
NATO WILL HAVE TO TAKE FURTHER
ACTION.
>> FORMER U.K. PRIME MINISTER
AND A GREAT LEADER OF THE U.N.