NICE TO SEE SIR. >> THANK YOU.
GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.
YOUR THOUGHTS AFTER 41 DAYS THE PRESIDENT HAS STOPPED FOOLING
WITH US ON THIS. >> WELL, THE PRESIDENT IS LIKE
GERALDO, PROMISING HE WOULD OPEN AL CAPONE'S VAULT AND THERE WAS
NOTHING INSIDE. HE IS JUST ACTING LIKE A REALITY
SHOW PRESIDENT. EVEN AS HE'S DOING IT, HE'S
CREATING SITUATIONS WHERE IT LEADS TO THE PERCEPTION THAT HE
COULD BE TRYING TO INTIMIDATE A WITNESS.
HE COULD BE TRYING TO THREATEN SOMEONE LIKE JIM COMEY IN A WAY
THAT DISSUADES THERE TO BE A COMPLETE INVESTIGATION OF THE
PRESIDENT'S CONDUCT. >> HE'S ALWAYS VERY NICE TO ME.
LET ME TURN TO THE PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR.
TO ME IT'S STUNNING. IT'S STUNNING THAT HE IS DOING
THIS BECAUSE HE HAD SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES.
FIRST OF ALL, HE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT THIS THE FIRST PLACE.
WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF IT? I CAN'T EVEN SOME UP WITH A
HYPOTHETICAL WHY HE WOULD HAVE DONE IT IN FIRST PLACE.
HE'S DONE THIS. DRAGGED THIS ON FOR 41 DAYS AND
TAKEN UP SO MUCH ATTENTION. HOUSE INTEL, SENATE ININTEL,
JUDICIARY.
FOR WHAT PURPOSE? CAN YOU GIVE ME ANY GOOD
EXPLANATION? >> I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE
SAME PURPOSE WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO PERSUADE JIM COMEY TO LET THE
GENERAL FLYNN INVESTIGATION GO. I THINK IT WAS THE SAME INTENT
THAT HE HAD WHEN HE WAS SAYING TO DAN COATS AND ADMIRAL ROGERS
IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN MAKE PUBLIC STATEMENTS SAYING THERE
WAS NO COLLUSION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE RUSSIAN
GOVERNMENT. I THINK IT FITS INTO THE
TOTALITY OF THE PATTERN WHERE ON THE ONE HAND HE SAYS THERE IS NO
RUSSIAN SCANDAL. THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON.
NOTHING HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED. THE WHOLE THING IS A JOKE.
WHILE BEHIND THE SCENES WORKING TO TRY TO DERAIL THIS
INVESTIGATION WITH A REAL SUSPICION THAT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE HAVE THAT WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE COULD BE FIRE.
>> I LET THE OTHER THING SORT OF UNWIND LIKE COATS AND ROGERS TO
GET IT THROUGHOUT THAT THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE.
IF THESE TWO SAY THERE'S NO COLLUSION EVIDENCE THAT THEY
KNOW OF BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA, I WOULD
WANT THAT ONE OUT TOO. I'LL GIVE HIM PASS ON THAT ONE.
I'LL WAIT FOR THE EVIDENCE ON THAT ONE.
THIS ONE IS QUITE FINAL. THE PRESIDENT TWEETED THIS AND
HE MADE EVERYONE -- FRANKLY I DON'T THINK PEOPLE THOUGHT THERE
WERE TAPES BUT MAYBE THERE WAS. THERE'S NO GOOD MOTIVE FOR
SAYING THIS EXCEPT TO INTIMIDATE JAMES COMEY AND HE HAD MANY
OPPORTUNITIES TO FIX IT AND HE DOESN'T.
TODAY WHEN ALL THE ATTENTION IS ON HEALTH CARE IT'S ALMOST LIKE
HE SLIPS IT IN TO GET OUT OF TROUBLE.
THIS IS NOT JUST BAD TWEETING. THIS RUNS THE RISK OF
INTIMIDATION OF A WITNESS. >> IT DOES RUN TO INTIMIDATION
OF A WITNESS WHICH IS WHY ROBERT MUELLER HAS TO INVESTIGATE THE
ENTIRETY OF THIS TAPES INCIDENT TO MAKE IT A DETERMINATION AS TO
WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO INTIMIDATE A WITNESS.
IT WAS PART OF A TOTAL PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR BY THE PRESIDENT.
>> HOW CAN YOU SEE IT AS ANYTHING ELSE?
GIVE ME A HYPOTHETICAL WHERE THIS IS NOT AN INTIMIDATION OF A
WITNESS. I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE SHOE
ON THE OTHER FOOT. HOW COULD THIS POSSIBLY BE GOOD?
WHAT IS THE INNOCENT EXPLANATION FOR THIS ONE?
I REALIZE YOU'RE IN THE OTHER PARTY BUT GIVE ME SOMETHING TO
THINK THIS ISN'T A HORRIBLE THING THAT HE DID.
>> I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY OTHER EXPLANATION OTHER THAN
HE'S A BULLY AND HE DOESN'T WANT THIS RUSSIA INVESTIGATION TO
CONTINUE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME JUST THE WAY HE CONDUCT HIMSELF,
HE'S LIKE ONLY MATCHED BY WYLIE COYOTE THIS TERMS OF
SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS. HE JUST KEEPS ACTING THIS WAY.
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
THAT'S WHY ROBERT MUELLER IS THE KEY SO THE AMERICAN FIND OUT
WHAT HAPPENED AND HIS DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR
NOT THE PRESIDENT WAS TRYING TO INTIMIDATE A WITNESS.
WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS TRYING TO INTIMIDATE COMEY INTO NOT
INVESTIGATING AND THE SAME THING IS TRUE WITH DAN COATS AND
PROBABLY WITH OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO COME TO LIGHT AS
WELL. >> YOU USE THE TERM
SELF-INFLICTED. I'M NOT FEELING WORRIED ABOUT
WHAT HE'S DOING TO HIMSELF TONIGHT BUT WHAT I AM WORRIED
ABOUT IS THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD IS WATCHING AND THE
CREDIBILITY OF THE PERSON WHO OCCUPIES THE OVAL OFFICE IS VERY
IMPORTANT. IF IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S GAME
THINGS, INTIMIDATING WITNESS, HE LOOKS LIKE -- HE'S CERTAINLY NOT
GAINING A LOT OF RESPECT IN THE WORLD.
THAT'S THE INFLICTED WOUND ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT THIS
TIME. >> I AGREE WITH YOU.
WE HAVE THIS PRESIDENT IN A REMEDIAL CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
COURSE. HE DOESN'T RESPECT HIS OWN
OFFICE IN TERM OF WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS NOT ONLY BY THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE BUT EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
THIS TAPE INCIDENT IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HIM DRAGGING
OUT IN A SLOW REVEAL THE FACT THAT AFTER 41 DAYS HE NOW SAYS
THERE WERE NO TAPES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IT'S JUST DISRESPECTFUL OF THE
OFFICE. BY THE WAY, THE FACT THAT HE'S
DOING THIS TODAY IS ONCE AGAIN ANOTHER RED HERRING TO TRY TO
DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM WHAT'S IN THIS HEALTH CARE BILL.
>> I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
I THINK HE KNEW HE WAS IN TROUBLE WITH THIS AND WHILE OUR
ATTENTION IS ON THIS, HE TRIED TO SLIDE THIS ONE IN.
I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO HIDE THE FACT THAT HE HAD BEEN
DECEITFUL ON THIS TAPE BUSINESS. >> WELL, I COULD ARGUE IT THAT
WAY BUT I COULD ALSO SAY HE DOES UNDERSTAND THAT THE POLLING ON
THE HEALTH CARE BILL IS VERY LOW.
THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THIS
HEALTH CARE BILL PASSED IS NO ONE FINDS OUT THE TOP WEALTHIEST
PEOPLE GET A TAX BREAK THAT COMES OUT OF ADDICTION TREATMENT
AND MATERNITY CARE AND GRANDMA AND GRANDPA TO BE IN A MEDICAID
SUPPORTED NURSING HOME BED. HE DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE
ABLE TO GET THE DETAILS OF THE