INCLUDING THREE WHO ARE NOW IN CONGRESS, WILL BE ON THE -- ON
"THE BEAT" TONIGHT.
BUT BEGIN WITH A BAG OF CASH AND
A BOXING GLOVE AND CAMPAIGN
FINANCE VIOLATIONS ALL COMMITTED
TO ALLEGEDLY HELP DONALD TRUMP.
THIS IS QUITE A CAPER.
AND UNLIKE THE BIG STORIES THESE
DAYS, THE CORE POINTS ARE NOT
DISPUTED.
DISPUTED. DONALD TRUMP’S GUILTY LAWYER
MICHAEL COHEN OPENING UP NOW
ABOUT THINGS HE SAID HE DID FOR
TRUMP LIKE SPENDING MONEY TO TRY
TO RIG POLLS ONLINE.
NOW THE TIMING IS KEY AS I’M
GOING TO EXPLAIN TONIGHT.
BECAUSE THIS COULD BE THE
BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS OF
MICHAEL COHEN PUBLICLY COMING
CLEAN FOR THINGS HE DID FOR
TRUMP THAT WE DIDN’T KNOW A
WHOLE LOT ABOUT.
AND THAT WE’RE NOT NECESSARILY
CHARGED IN COURT.
OR THAT STILL COULD BE CHARGED
IN COURT.
IN COURT. COHEN PREPPING FOR THE
HIGH-STAKES TESTIMONY TO
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. TESTIMONY THAT ITSELF TOP
DEMOCRATS HAVE CITED AS
SOMETHING THAT TRUMP MAY BE
ALREADY TRYING TO ILLEGALLY
INTERFERE WITH WITH THE PUBLIC
THREATS THAT APPEARED BASICALLY
TARGETING MICHAEL COHEN’S
FAMILY.
FAMILY. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BUZZING OVER
THIS STORY ALL DAY.
BUT I COULD TELL YOU, TONIGHT
"THE BEAT" IS THE FIRST TIME WE
HEAR FROM COHEN’S ATTORNEY LANNY
DAVIS.
DAVIS. COHEN HIRING A SMALL I.T. FIRM
BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN AND THE
"WALL STREET JOURNAL" REPORTS
THAT BASICALLY THE IDEA IS HE
PROMISED $50 K TO A MAN THAT GOT
LESS BECAUSE MICHAEL COHEN
SURPRISED HIM WITH A BLUE
WALMART BAG WITH $12,000 IN CASH
AND A BOXING GLOVE THAT COHEN
SAID HAD BEEN WORN BY A
BRAZILIAN MIXED MARTIAL ARTS
FIGHTER.
FIGHTER. THIS IS A LEAVE THE GLOVE, AND
TAKE THE CASH KIND OF MOMENT.
COHEN IS CONFIRMING THE CORE
DETAILS ADDING ONLY A
DISTINCTION THAT HE SAID, NO,
THE MONEY WAS PAID BY CHECK.
THE FEDS KNOW ALL ABOUT THIS
BECAUSE IT IS AMONG THE SERVICES
THAT THE TRUMP ORG REIMBURSED
HIM FOR.
HIM FOR. AND COHEN SAID, LET’S BE CLEAR,
THIS WAS ALL DIRECTED BY AND FOR
THE SOLE BENEFIT OF TRUMP,
ADDING HE REGRETS HIS BLIND
LOYALTY THAT AND THAT IS A THEME
HE HID IN HIS ONLY INTERVIEW
SINCE HIS SENTENCING.
>> FIRST OF ALL NOTHING AT THE
TRUMP ORGANIZATION WAS EVER DONE
UNLESS IT WAS RUN THROUGH MR.
TRUMP.
TRUMP. >> AND TRUMP CALLED FOR SCRUTINY
OF COHEN’S FATHER-IN-LAW WHICH
SEVERAL CHAIRS IN THE HOUSE WARN
COULD BE CRIMINAL WITNESS
INTIMIDATION AND REPORTING
SHOWING THAT INTIMIDATION COULD
BE WORKING.
BE WORKING. COHEN WORRIED ABOUT THREATS TO
HIS FAMILY BEFORE HIS APPEARANCE
TO CONGRESS.
TO CONGRESS. NOW DONALD TRUMP IS ARGUING
BASICALLY THAT MICHAEL COHEN IS
NOT CREDIBLE AND IS JUST OUT TO
LIE ABOUT TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP PUBLICLY
THREATENING COHEN’S FAMILY, A
SIGN THAT TRUMP IS AFRAID OF
WHAT COHEN WILL SAY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE COHEN’S SIDE
ARGUING, THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT
HE SAID, IT IS ABOUT EVIDENCE
AND WHAT HE KNOWS.
NOW PEOPLE CAN DEBATE WHO HAS
THE BETTER ARGUMENT BETWEEN
THESE TWO.
THESE TWO. BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT
WHAT WE’RE LEARNING.
TONIGHT’S NEWS SCORES ONE ROUND
FOR COHEN.
FOR COHEN. THIS NEW STORY IS NOT ABOUT
UNPROVABLE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST
TRUMP, IT IS ABOUT EVIDENCE.
IT’S ABOUT FINANCIAL RECORDS AND
ALLEGED BAGS OF MONEY AND THE
KIND OF PROOF THAT LANDS A STORY
IN THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL," A
PAPER OWNED BY FOX NEWS PATIENT
PATIENTPATIENT -- NEWS
PARENT COMPANY.
PARENT COMPANY. SO BY THE END OF THE CAPER, THE
TRUMP ORGANIZATION WAS
REIMBURSING COHEN.
REIMBURSING COHEN. WITH RECORDS ON PAPER.
AND ALLEGEDLY LYING ABOUT IT TO
THE IRS.
THE IRS. THERE IS THAT OLD SAYING, SHOW
ME THE RECEIPTS.
WELL TODAY IT LOOKS LIKE MICHAEL
COHEN HAS SOME RECEIPTS.
I WANT TO BEGIN WITH FORMER
WATERGATE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR
NICK ACKERMAN AND MARGA GAY FROM
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND THEN
WE’LL TURN TO THE COHEN SIDE
WITH LANNY DAVIS WHO JOINS ME
WHICH I’M VERY INTERESTED TO GET
TO.
TO. BUT I’M ALSO INTERESTED IN BOTH
OF YOU.
OF YOU. WHAT IS THE LEGAL PART OF THIS
THAT MATTERS BECAUSE THE "WALL
STREET JOURNAL" IS GIVING US
BOXING GLOVES AND BAGS OF CASH
THAT ARE BASICALLY OVERLAPPING
WHAT WE SAW IN THE ORIGINAL
CRIMINAL INFORMATION WHICH IS
LIKE AN INDICTMENT AGAINST
COHEN.
COHEN. >> YOU HAVE ANOTHER SERIES OF
CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION VIOLATIONS
THAT MOST LIKELY WERE NOT
REPORTED AS THEY SHOULD BE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU HAVE
DONALD TRUMP INVOLVED IN THE
CAMPAIGN VIOLATIONS JUST AS HE
WAS IN THE PAYMENTS TO THE TWO
WOMEN AND ALSO INVOLVED IN
TRYING TO INTIMIDATE A WITNESS.
WHICH IS WITNESS TAMPERING.
IT IS A 20-YEAR FELONY UNDER THE
CRIMINAL CODE.
CRIMINAL CODE. THE IDEA THAT HE IS TRYING TO
SCARE MICHAEL COHEN OUT OF
TESTIFYING IS JUST AN OUTRAGE.
AND COHEN RIGHTFULLY IS
CONCERNED THAT THE STATEMENTS
THAT DONALD TRUMP IS MAKING ARE
GOING TO PUT HIS FAMILY IN
DANGER.
DANGER. >> YOU TALK ABOUT THE DANGER AND
THERE HAS BEEN INVESTIGATIONS
INTO OTHER INDIVIDUALS.
BILL CLINTON AND HILLARY
CLINTON, PEOPLE IN AND AROUND
THE WHITE HOUSE.
IF HILLARY CLINTON PUBLICLY
THREATENED THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF
PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO TESTIFY, DO
YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE A
PASSING ONE DAY WEEKEND STORY?
>> IT IS REMARKABLE BECAUSE
THERE IS SO MUCH.
IT IS HARD TO FOCUS ON JUST HOW
HORRIFIC EACH NEW PIECE OF NEWS
REALLY IS.
REALLY IS. BUT I THINK WE’VE KNOWN FOR SOME
TIME NOW THAT THE KIND OF
OPERATION THAT THE PRESIDENT RAN
AS A CANDIDATE.
WHICH IS REALLY THAT OF A MOB
BOSS IN SOME WAYS.
BUT WE’VE KNOWN THAT.
I THINK WHAT IS NEW IS THE MORE
EVIDENCE WE GET THE HARDER IT IS
TO BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT
HIMSELF WAS NOT AWARE OF OR IF
NOT DIRECTING SOME OF THIS KBEE
HAFOR. -- BEHAVIOR AND I THINK
TODAY’S STORY IN THE "WALL
STREET JOURNAL" WAS AN EXAMPLE
OF THAT.
OF THAT. >> AND COHEN SAID THIS BROADLY
AND NOW WE’RE GETTING SPECIFIC
DETAILS AND THEN THE FACT THERE
ARE THE RECEIPTS, WHICH SHOWS
THE TRUMP ORG WAS PAYING FOR
THIS AND HOW COULD I PUT THIS --
TRUMP ORG IS NOT KNOWN TO BE
SUPER GENEROUS WITH PAYMENTS.
IT IS A DEAD BEAT COMPANY WHEN
IT COMES TO CONTRACTORS AND THAT
IS DOCUMENTED.
IS DOCUMENTED. SO WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU WHEN HE
COMES IN AND SAYS I HAVE THIS
RECEIPT AND I MADE UP AND PAY ME
BACK AND THEY’RE LIKE HERE YOU
GO.
GO. >> I WOULD BE LOOKING INTO -- IF
I WERE AN INVESTIGATOR, HOW MUCH
MORE WORK WAS DONE THAT WASN’T
PAID FOR.
PAID FOR. BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE TRUMP
NAME DOESN’T REALLY HAVE A GREAT
RECORD OF PAYING ITS DEBT.
SO THIS COULD ONLY BE THE
BEGINNING.
BEGINNING. >> SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE
WATERGATE TAPES WERE FASCINATING
ON AS YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW
SO MUCH MORE ABOUT IT THAN WE
DO, WAS RICHARD NIXON MUSING
ABOUT WHERE TO GET THIS MONEY
AND THAT MONEY AND A MILLION
DOLLARS IS A LOT BUT WE COULD
GET IT.
GET IT. >> DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY GOT
IT?
IT? THEY GOT IT FROM HERB COMBAT.
HE WAS NIXON’S PERSONAL LAWYER.
IT IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF.
YOU HAVE GOT ANOTHER LAWYER, A
PERSONAL LAWYER FOR THE
PRESIDENT OF THE ITS BEING A BAG
MAN FOR THE PRESIDENT.
GOING OUT AND RAISING CASH THAT
IS USED IN THE CAMPAIGN THAT IS
NOT REPORTED AS IT SHOULD BE
DURING THE COURSE OF THE
CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN. IT IS REMARKABLE.
EVEN THE KINDS OF STUNTS THEY
ARE PULLING HER.
JUST ARE ECHOES OF WATERGATE.
YOU HAD CHARLES COLESON, THE
COUNSEL TO THE PRESIDENT RICHARD
NIXON, THEY WERE PLOTTING IN THE
WHITE HOUSE TO SEND SOMEBODY UP
TO NEW HAMPSHIRE TO SUCKER A GUY
IN WHO WAS A STATE
REPRESENTATIVE IN MARYLAND TO GO
UP AND DO A WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN
FOR TED KEND -- TED KENNEDY.
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE
OVERLAP IN WHAT COULD SOMETIMES
SEEM SMALL OR TAUDRY.
SEGRETTI, THEY TOOK THE SHOES OF
CAMPAIGN STAFFERS AND NIXON SAID
THIS IS SHOE GATE NOW.
SOMEBODY COULDN’T GET THEIR
SHOES AT A HOTEL.
IT LOOKS LIKE A PRANK.
THE SMALL NGS -- THE SMALLNESS
OF THE DRUDGE REPORT AND WHAT
YOU SAY, THIS ISN’T REMOVE THE
PRESIDENT FELONY KIND OF STUFF.
>> IT MAY NOT BE.
BUT IT DOES TELL YOU THE MINDSET
OF THE PRESIDENT THAT IS
INVOLVED AND THE PETTINESS, WHAT
HE’S WILLING TO DO.
THE FACT THAT HE’S A
MICROMANAGER JUST LIKE RICHARD
NIXON IN TERMS OF OVERSEEING
WHAT WAS GOING ON AND THERE IS
NO REASON WHY IF HE WAS
MICROMANAGING WHAT WAS GOING ON
IN NEW HAMPSHIRE TRYING TO SET
UP MUSKY, THE DEMOCRAT
FRONT-RUNNER, THAT HE WASN’T
ALSO MICROMANAGING THE BREAK-IN
INTO THE WATERGATE COMPLEX, JUST
LIKE DONALD TRUMP I’M SURE WAS
MICROMANAGING THE BREAK-IN THAT
OCCURRED AT THE DEMOCRATIC
NATIONAL COMMITTEE AND THE
RELEASE AND STAGING OF THOSE
STOLEN DOCUMENTS.
STOLEN DOCUMENTS. >> I THINK CORRUPTION IS AN
EXTREMELY INSIDIOUS THING AND
COULD BE EASY TO SAY, WELL IT IS
$12,000.
$12,000. WHAT IS THAT IN THE SCHEME OF
THINGS?
THINGS? BUT REALLY THE SPIRIT OF OUR
CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS ARE AT THE
HEART OF HOW WE FUNCTION AS A
DEMOCRACY.
DEMOCRACY. SO IF YOU ARE VIOLATING THEM,
YOU REALLY HAVE SHOWN THAT YOU
HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OUR
DEMOCRACY OR THE RULES OF THE
COUNTRY OR THE RULE OF LAW AND
YOU ARE NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT.
>> AND THAT IS I THINK WHAT
PEOPLE ARE WEIGHING AS YOU LOOK
AT THIS AGAIN AGAINST THE BACK
DROP OF A SHUTDOWN THAT SHOWS
SOME REPUBLICANS TURNING ON THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. BOTH OF YOU HANG WITH ME.
I’LL GO ONE-ON-ONE WITH LANNY
DAVIS AND MAY COME BACK TO YOU.
MR. DAVIS, THANKS FOR COMING ON
"THE BEAT" TONIGHT.
>> YOU’RE WELCOME, ARI.
>> WHAT ARE WE TO MAKE OF THE
STORY AND IS THIS THE END OF
WHAT MICHAEL COHEN COULD DETAIL
OR ARE THERE MORE STORIES LIKE
THIS?
THIS? >> THE ONLY THING I’LL ADDRESS
IS THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL"
STORY AND MR. COHEN THIS MORNING
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT UNDER THE
DIRECTION OF MR. TRUMP, AS HE
WAS PREVIOUSLY DIRECTED TO MAKE
THE PAYMENT TO STORMY DANIELS BY
MR. TRUMP, MR. TRUMP DIRECTED
HIM TO RIG AN ELECTION -- EXCUSE
ME, A POLL RESULT.
DOES ANYBODY SEE THE HYPOCRISY
OF A MAN WHO SPENT MOST OF THE
CAMPAIGN IN 2016 ACCUSING THE
DEMOCRATS OF TRYING TO, QUOTE,
RIG AN ELECTION.
WHILE HE DIRECTS HIS COUNSEL TO
PAY MONEY TO RIG A POLL.
THE HYPOCRISY IS PRETTY
APPARENT.
APPARENT. >> YOU’VE SEEN THE RESPONSE
SEPARATELY, NOT UNDER YOUR
CONTROL FROM CHAIRS OF IMPORTANT
COMMITTEES IN THE HOUSE.
ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT OF
POTENTIALLY GETTING CLOSE TO
WITNESS INTIMIDATION FOR -- TAKE
A LOOK.
A LOOK. FOR THIS.
FOR THIS. >> HE SHOULD GIVE INFORMATION
MAYBE ON HIS FATHER IN LAW,
BECAUSE THAT’S THE ONE THAT
PEOPLE WANT TO LOOK AT.
BECAUSE WHERE DOES THAT MONEY --
THAT IS THE MONEY IN THE FAMILY.
AND I GUESS HE DIDN’T WANT TO
TALK ABOUT HIS FATHER IN LAW.
HE’S TRYING TO GET HIS SENTENCE
REDUCED.
REDUCED. SO IT IS PRETTY SAD.
YOU KNOW, IT’S WEAK.
>> IS THAT AN IMPACT ON MR.
COHEN AS WE’VE SEEN REPORTS
ABOUT?
ABOUT? >> VERY MUCH SO.
HE IS VERY CONCERNED.
AS IS HIS FAMILY.
THAT A BULLY IN THE BULLY PULPIT
NAMED DONALD TRUMP CALLS OUT A
MEMBER OF HIS FAMILY AND HE’S
ALSO CALLED OUT OTHER MEMBERS OF
HIS FAMILY.
HIS FAMILY. USING THE WHITE HOUSE PLATFORM
ON A NATIONAL TELEVISION SHOW.
LET ME BE VERY CLEAR HERE.
THIS IS A DEFINITION OF WITNESS
TAMPERING AND INTIMIDATION AND
COULD BE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
BUT MORE THAN THAT, IF THERE IS
ONE THING AT A TIME OF THIS
SHUTDOWN AND THE WORST
POLARIZATION IN MY LIFETIME IN
THIS COUNTRY, IF THERE IS ONE
THING THAT COULD BRING TRUMP
VOTERS AND ANTI-TRUMP VOTERS AND
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
TOGETHER, IT IS THE DRAW THE
LINE THAT FAMILY IS OUT OF
BOUNDS.
BOUNDS. I WANT TO HEAR REPUBLICANS SAY
THAT TO PRESIDENT TRUMP.
TONIGHT, TOMORROW -- FAMILY IS
OUT OF BOUNDS.
YOU’VE GONE TOO FAR.
>> AND YOU’RE VIEW IS --
>> AND I’M CHALLENGING THEM TO
DO THAT.
DO THAT. >> YOU’RE SAYING IN THIS
INTERVIEW TONIGHT, LANNY, AS MR.
COHEN’S ADVISER, YOU VIEW WHAT
THE PRESIDENT IS DOING ALREADY
AS ILLEGAL TAMPERING?
>> THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT HIS
THREATENING AND CALLING OUT HIS
FATHER IN LAW WHO, QUOTE, HAS
ALL OF THE MONEY, IS NOT ONLY
IMPROPER AND UNSEEMLY FOR A
BULLY USING THE BULLY PULPIT OF
THE PRESIDENCY, BUT THE VERY
DEFINITION OF INTIMIDATION AND
WITNESS TAMPERING ESPECIALLY A
WITNESS ABOUT TO APPEAR BEFORE A
CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE TO TELL
THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HE KNOWS
ABOUT DONALD TRUMP BY DEFINITION
THAT DESERVES A CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. BUT I CAN SEE MAYBE TRUMP PEOPLE
WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.
BUT NO TRUMP VOTER, NO TRUMP
SUPPORTER IN THE UNITED STATES
CONGRESS CAN DISAGREE WITH ME
THAT CALLING OUT FAMILY MEMBERS,
NO MATTER WHAT, IS OUT OF BOUNDS
AND THAT IS WHY THIS IS THE ONE
PURPLE MOMENT THAT THIS COUNTRY
HASN’T HAD SINCE TRUMP HAS BEEN
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. THAT COULD BRING US TOGETHER AND
SAY TO MR. TRUMP, DEMOCRATS AND
REPUBLICANS, NO, YOU’VE GONE TOO
FAR.
FAR. >> THIS COMES AT A TIME WHEN THE
SENATE IS ASSESSING AN INCOMING
POTENTIAL ATTORNEY GENERAL.
DO YOU FROM YOUR DEALINGS WITH
MR. COHEN AND OTHERS VIEW THE
PRESIDENT AS TRYING TO MAKE GOOD
ON THIS THREAT?
ARE PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME, ARE
THEY TO TAKE AWAY THE CONCLUSION
THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD, IF HE
COULD, TRY TO GET THE DOJ TO
WHAT?
WHAT? TO RETALIATE OR INVESTIGATE
MR.COMR.
MR.COMR. COHEN’S FAMILY TO KEEP HIM FROM
TESTIFYING TRUTHFULLY BEFORE THE
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. IS THAT WHAT IT ON THE TABLE
HERE?
HERE? >> I THINK THIS IS AIMED DIRECT
WLI -- DIRECTLY AT MR. COHEN TO
FRIGHTEN HIM AND HE HAS
UNDERSTANDABLE FEAR FOR THEIR
SAFETY, THAT A PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES SHOULD MENTION A
MAN’S FATHER-IN-LAW WHO IS ABOUT
TO TESTIFY.
TO TESTIFY. I JUST THINK IT IS SO OUT OF
BOUNDS THAT IT DOESN’T INVOLVE
POLITICS, IT DOESN’T INVOLVE
WHETHER YOU ARE PRO
OR ANTI-TRUMP.
OR ANTI-TRUMP. THERE IS GENUINE FEAR AND IT
CAUSES MICHAEL COHEN TO CONSIDER
WHETHER HE SHOULD GO FORWARD OR
NOT.
NOT. AND HE’S NOT YET MADE A FINAL
DECISION.
DECISION. >> CONSIDER.
>> CONSIDER. HE WAS ANNOUNCING HE WOULD DO IT
AND YOU AND I SPOKE TO THAT
EFFECT.
EFFECT. ARE YOU SAYING TONIGHT THE
TESTIMONY MAY BE OFF?
>> I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE
EXACT WORDS THAT HE’S
CONSIDERING WHETHER TO GO
FORWARD IN LIGHT OF THE CONCERNS
ABOUT HIS FAMILY.
MY GUESS IS THAT HE WON’T LET A
BULLY SILENCE HIM.
BUT I COULD TELL YOU THAT HE IS
STILL CONSIDERING WHETHER TO DO
THIS OR NOT.
>> HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO HIM ABOUT
IT TODAY.
IT TODAY. >> YES, I HAVE.
>> SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT ON THE
ONE HAND YOU VIEW THIS AS
CRIMINAL, THE PRESIDENT TAKING
WHAT YOU ARE CALLING CRIMINAL
CONDUCT TO INTIMIDATE A WITNESS,
TO OBSTRUCT, BUT THAT THAT MAY
WORK, QUOTE UNQUOTE, THAT HE MAY
RESPOND BY GIVING INTO THAT?
>> I DIDN’T SAY IT WOULD WORK.
I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW THAT
MICHAEL’S CONCERN FOR HIS SAFETY
IS GENUINE AND EVERY AMERICAN
CAN UNDERSTAND WHEN SOMEBODY
WITH THE POWER OF THE PRESIDENCY
USES THOSE POWERS, THIS IS NOT
THE FIRST TIME HE’S ATTACKED
MICHAEL’S FAMILY, THAT THERE IS
A LINE THAT EVERYBODY IN
POLITICS, LEFT RIGHT AND CENTER
WILL DRAW, THAT FAMILY IS OUT OF
BOUNDS AND MR. TRUMP HAS GONE
OVER THAT LINE AND AGAIN I’M
ASKING EVERYONE WATCHING, WE
HAVE A GoFundMe SITE.
MICHAEL COHEN TRUTH FUND.COM.
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, LEFT,
RIGHT AND CENTER.
THE ONE THING WE CAN COME
TOGETHER ON IN THIS VERY DIVIDED
COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF A
SHUTDOWN IS TO TELL DONALD TRUMP
YOU SHALL NOT ATTACK SOMEBODY’S
FAMILY, TO TRY TO INTIMIDATE HIM
TO TELL THE TRUTH.
>> HAVE YOU CONVEYED THESE
CONCERNS TO CHAIRMAN CUMMINGS OR
THE OTHER COMMITTEE CHAIRS.
>> YES, I HAVE.
>> INTERESTING.
>> INTERESTING. THE OTHER PART OF THIS, I WANT
TO ASK YOU ABOUT MR. COHEN’S
DEALINGS WITH THE FEDERAL
PROSECUTORS IN NEW YORK.
WHICH, IF THE REST OF THE
COUNTRY DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT IT, I
THINK THEY’RE STARTING TO HEAR
ABOUT THE AGGRESSIVE REPUTATION
OF THIS OFFICE.
IT IS THE OFFICE THAT HAS GIVEN
US EX-PROSECUTORS THAT WE KNOW
LIKE RUDY GIULIANI AND JAMES
COMEY AND MARYJO WHITE AND PREET
BHARARA.
BHARARA. AND WE HAVE A FORMER U.S.
ATTORNEY AMIDST THE SAME GROUP I
JUST MENTIONED, DAVID KELLY, WHO
WAS A USDNY ATTORNEY AND I PUT
DIFFERENT QUESTIONS TO DIFFERENT
PEOPLE AND I PUT TO HIM SOME OF
WHAT YOU AND MR. COHEN HAVE
SUGGESTED ABOUT THAT OFFICE AND
WHETHER IT WAS POTENTIALLY
UNDULY HARSH TO MR. CONE AND I
WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU THE
RESPONSE OF WHAT HE SAID.
>> THEY TREAT EVERYBODY THE
SAME.
SAME. AND IF YOU WANT TO COME IN AND
COOPERATE, YOU BETTER GIVE UP
EVERYTHING YOU DID.
IF YOU STOLE A CANDY BAR, YOU
BETTER
BETTER BETTER TELL THEM ABOUT IT AND IF
YOU DON’T, IT WILL NOT WORK OUT
FOR THE CORPORATION AND THAT IS
AN IRONCLAD RULE AND IF YOU
BENTD -- IF YOU BEND IT FOR
COHEN THEN YOU HAVE TO BEND IT
FOR EVERYBODY.
FOR EVERYBODY. AND THEY WON’T DO THAT.
>> AND THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN
BENDING TO GIVE COHEN ANY LESS
BECAUSE IT WASN’T FULL
COOPERATION.
COOPERATION. I GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF
RESPONDING.
RESPONDING. >> LOOK, I NEVER DOUBTED THE
SINCERITY OF THE PROSECUTORS.
THEY MADE THE CALL THAT A 3-YEAR
SENTENCE WAS JUSTIFIED WHEN
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT
PAID $18 MILLION AND $20 MILLION
IN TAXES SUCH AS FLOYD
MAYWEATHER, A VERY SMALL
PERCENTAGE OF TAX ARE CRIMINAL,
THEY ARE SETTLED CIVILLY.
THE BANK SO-CALLED FALSE
STATEMENT WAS MADE ON A HOME
EQUITY LOAN THAT WAS COVERED TEN
TO ONE BY EQUITY OVER THE LOAN
VALUE.
VALUE. I’M SIMPLY SAYING AS A MATTER OF
JUDGMENT, THE JUDGMENT WAS
DISPROPORTIONATE TO THE ACTUAL
CRIMES THAT MICHAEL COHEN HAS
PLED TO AND HAS ACKNOWLEDGED
HE’S GUILTY OF AND THAT IS MY
DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
BUT STILL, RESPECTING THEM AND
THE PROCESS THAT THEY WENT
THROUGH.
THROUGH. >> VERY INTERESTING HEARING FROM
YOU AND OUTLINE, LANNY, THE WAY