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>>> IN
>>> IN THE EARLY '70s, EIGHT RESEARCHERS WENT ON AN
UNDERCOVER INVESTIGATION INTO A
MENTAL HOSPITAL TO SEE WHAT
CONDITIONS WERE REALLY LIKE FOR
PATIENTS.
PATIENTS.
PATIENTS. WHAT THE SARASOTA PATIENT ENDED
UP FINDING CHANGED THE COURSE
OF SACCADIC.
OF SACCADIC. NOW, HITTING DETAILS ABOUT THIS
RESEARCH ARE EMERGING IN A NEW
BOOK CALLED . SUSANNAH CAHALAN
JOINS ME NOW WITH MORE ON THIS
AMAZING BOOK.
AMAZING BOOK. WELCOME.
WELCOME.
WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW
MUCH WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW
ABOUT THESE TOPICS BUT ALSO
TALK ABOUT THESE TOPICS AND B
STICK MICE MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES.
ISSUES.
ISSUES. THANK YOU FOR THIS BOOK AND
LET'S START WITH WHAT HAPPENED
TO YOU IN 2009.
>> I WAS 24.
KIND OF A NEW REPORTER IN NEW
YORK CITY I STARTED TO FEEL
OFF.
OFF.
OFF. IT
OFF. IT STARTED AS A DEPRESSION BUT
I FELT REALLY DOWN.
IT QUICKLY ESCALATED.
I WAS KIND OF MANIC.
AND THEN I WAS DEPRESSED.
AND FROM THERE, IT PROGRESSED
INTO FLOW FULL-BLOWN PSYCHOSIS
DELUSIONS.
DELUSIONS. >> A PICTURE THAT YOU OFFERED
US AND FOR THEIR, THANK YOU
BECAUSE IT IS HARD TO SHARE
THESE PAINFUL THINGS.
IT ALSO COMMUNICATES THAT WE
ARE NOT ALONE IN THESE
STRUGGLES.
STRUGGLES. THIS IS ONE PHOTOGRAPH. AND THE
NEXT ONE IS A DRAWING THAT YOU
MADE FOR A DOCUMENTARY.
WHAT IS THIS IS SIGNIFICANT?
>> THIS IS THE KEY TO MY IN MY
DIAGNOSIS.
DIAGNOSIS. I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR A
MONTH.
MONTH.
MONTH. IT
MONTH. IT WAS SCHIZOAFFECTIVE DISORDER.
THE MAIN DOCTOR SAW THIS ONE-
SIDED CLOCK, THIS EXCEPTIONAL
CLOCK AND THOUGHT, THIS IS,
NEUROLOGICAL ILLNESS.
NEUROLOGICAL ILLNESS. WE NEED TO TESTER.
THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO MY
DIAGNOSIS, MY ACCURATE
DIAGNOSIS, WHICH WAS AUTOIMMUNE
ENCEPHALITIS.
ENCEPHALITIS. >> IT GAVE YOU THIS INSIGHT
INTO THE WAY MENTAL HEALTH
PATIENTS ARE TREATED.
YOU KNOW, WITH THE LABELING
THIS OR THAT.
WITH RESEARCH IS LIKE TO FIGURE
OUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH YOU.
AND IT BROUGHT YOU TO THIS VERY
INTERESTING EXPERIMENT IN 1973.
TELL IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT
THIS WAS ABOUT.
>> SO THIS WAS KIND OF AMAZING
TRANSFORMATIVE STUDY.
TRANSFORMATIVE STUDY. IT WAS PUBLISHED 46 YEARS AGO.
IT HAD RAMIFICATIONS TO MENTAL
HEALTH CARE AND DIAGNOSIS
TODAY.
TODAY.
TODAY. AND IT IS THIS KIND OF
UNDERCOVER EXPERIMENT WHERE
THESE EIGHT PEOPLE, NORMAL,
HEALTHY MEMBERS OF SOCIETY, BUT
UNDERCOVER IN PSYCHIATRIC
HOSPITALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO
TEST THE NATURE OF THICKNESSES.
WOULD THEY BE EXPOSED AS
FAKERS?
FAKERS?
FAKERS? AND ALSO REPORT BACK OF ABOUT
THEIR EXPERIENCE.
THEIR EXPERIENCE. >> SO WHAT HAPPENED?
>> NO OF THEM WERE FOUND TO BE
TAKING.
TAKING.
TAKING. ALL OF THEM WERE DIAGNOSED WITH
SERIOUS ILLNESSES.
SERIOUS ILLNESSES. THERE WAS THE AVERAGE DATE WAS
ABOUT 19 DAYS.
WHEN PRESENT WAS IN FOR AS MUCH
AS 52 DAYS.
>> AND COULD NOT GET AT?
>> CANNOT GET AT.
>> WHAT DOES THIS TELL US?
WHAT DID IT DO TO THE COURSE OF
PSYCHIATRY?
PSYCHIATRY? >> AT THE TIME, IT WAS
EXTREMELY EMBARRASSING AS YOU
CAN IMAGINE.
CAN IMAGINE. THE FIELD WITH AND HAPPY ABOUT
IT BUT IT KIND OF CONFIRMED A
LOT OF THE FEARS OF THE PUBLIC.
THIS WAS THE TIME OF ONE FLEW
OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST.
THIS FIT RIGHT INTO THAT TIME
PERIOD.
PERIOD.
PERIOD. AND KIND OF GAVE PROOF THAT
THIS WAS PUBLISHED IN SCIENCE.
ONE OF THE MOST ESTEEMED
PUBLICATIONS.
PUBLICATIONS. SO IT GAVE PROOF TO A LOT OF
THE FEELINGS THAT THE PUBLIC
HAD.
HAD.
HAD. AT
HAD. AT THE SAME TIME, IT WAS VERY
EMBARRASSING TO PSYCHIATRY AND
WAS A SORE PLUNGE INTO THE
HEART OF PSYCHIATRY.
PHYSICALLY, IT SHOWED THAT THEY
DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE
DOING.
DOING.
DOING. THEIR DIAGNOSTIC SYSTEM WAS
FLAWED, AT BEST.
>> HAS IT BEEN CORRECTED? IF
SO, HOW?
SO, HOW?
SO, HOW? >> IT IS KIND OF A COMPLICATED
STORY THAT EMERGED FROM THIS
BUT AS I STARTED TO INVESTIGATE
THE STUDY AND BECAME INTERESTED
IN THE STUDY, I GOT ACCESS TO A
MAN NAMED DAVID ROSEN HIM WHO
CREATED THE CITY AND WAS THE
RINGLEADER.
RINGLEADER. I GOT ACCESS TO HIS DIARY ENTRY
>> WHAT EVENT WAS THAT THE STORY
WAS NOT AS SIMPLE AS WAS
ORIGINALLY REPORTED ON PAPER.
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF
OUTCOMES THAT HAVE TOUCHED US
TODAY.
TODAY.
TODAY. IT
TODAY. IT CONTRIBUTED TO THE THE
INSTITUTE ISTATION MOVEMENT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR STREETS
AND PEOPLE WERE ACTIVELY
PSYCHOTIC AND ARE LIVING ON THE
STREETS THIS STUDY HAD AN
EFFECT ON THAT BUT IT HAD AN
EFFECT ON THE BIBLE OF
PSYCHIATRY, HIGHWAY DUDENESS
PEOPLE BUT IT IS USED IN
EVERYTHING FROM COURTROOMS TO
CLASSROOMS.
CLASSROOMS. THE STUDY HAD AN OUTSIZE
EFFECT.
EFFECT.
EFFECT. THE MORE I STARTED TO DIVE INTO
IT, THE MORE I STARTED TO
REALIZE THAT MAYBE THE STUDY
WAS NOT AS IT APPEARED TO BE.
>> SO WHAT CAN WE TAKE AWAY
FROM YOUR BOOK NOW?
WHAT DO WE NEW TO KNOW ABOUT
BUT WAS NOT REVEALED TO US BACK
IN THE DAY AND HOW THAT AFFECTS
THE WAY WE SEEK MENTAL HEALTH
HERE TODAY?
HERE TODAY? >> IT IS KIND OF A COMPLICATED
QUESTION ABOUT, WHAT IS REAL
AND WHAT ISN'T?
WHAT I HOPE THE READERS TAKE
AWAY IS THAT THEY DIG DEEPER.
THEY LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT
THINGS THAT ARE ACCEPTED AT
FACE VALUE.
FACE VALUE. FOR SIMPLE IT GOES BACK TO WHAT
HAPPENED TO ME.
IF YOU WERE JUST TO LOOK AT MY
SYMPTOMS, HE WOULD TAKE THIS
PERSON IS SERIOUSLY MENTALLY
ILL.
ILL.
ILL. I
ILL. I HAD A DOCTOR WHO DUG DEEPER
AND LOOKED PAST THAT.
REALLY KIND OF WENT DEEPER.
I HOPE THAT THIS BOOK
CONTRIBUTES TO ALL OF OUR
SEARCH FOR THESE ANSWERS AND
ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO A
DESTIGMATIZE A CERTAIN OF THESE
QUESTIONS OF WHAT IS MENTAL
ILLNESS AND ALLOWS US TO GET
CLOSER TO HAVING AN OPEN
CONVERSATION.
CONVERSATION. >> ONE THING.
I KNOW YOU DON'T MEAN TO SAY
THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T GO FOR
HELP OR SHOULD BE SUSPICIOUS OF
HELP.
HELP.
HELP. >>
HELP. >> MORE I DON'T INTO THIS, THE
MARBLEIZED THAT PSYCHIATRY WHEN
DONE WELL IS THE BEST OF
MEDICINE.
MEDICINE.
MEDICINE. IT IS THE ART OF IT.
IT IS REALLY LISTENING TO THE
PATIENTS AND IT IS HELPING
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. SO I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE
ALL OF MEDICINE, THERE ARE GOOD
DOCTORS AND THERE ARE BAD
DOCTORS.
DOCTORS.
DOCTORS. SO MY PUSH IS TO ALWAYS ASK
QUESTIONS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW,
PUSH FOR ANSWERS.
AND IF YOU FEEL YOU'RE NOT
BEING HEARD, FIND SOMEONE ELSE.
>> ABSOLUTELY, AND ADVOCATE FOR
YOURSELF.
YOURSELF.
YOURSELF. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THIS IS YOUR FIRST BOOK.
BESTSELLER.
BESTSELLER. WAY TO GO.
>> THANK YOU.
>> SUSANNAH IS HOLDING A TOWN
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