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>>> GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO
"MORNING JOE."
IT IS THURSDAY, MARCH 10 IT.
WE ARE FOLLOWING SEVERAL
FAST-MOVING DEVELOPMENTS OUT OF
UKRAINE THIS MORNING.
A HORRIFIC SCENE AFTER RUSSIA
ATTACKED A MATERNITY HOSPITAL IN
THE CITY OF MARIUPOL.
IMAGES OF PREGNANT WOMEN BEING
CARRIED OUT ON STRETCHERS,
FLYING DEBRIS AND A CRATER SOME
30-FEET DEEP.
THE BOMBING SPARKING
INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION THAT
RUSSIA IS STILL TARGETING
CIVILIANS AFTER MEETING WITH
UKRAINE'S FOREIGN MINISTER IN
TURKEY THIS MORNING, RUSSIA'S
SERGEY LAVROV FALSELY CLAIMED
THERE WERE NO PATIENTS INSIDE
THE HOSPITAL WHEN IT WAS
ATTACKED.
THE UKRAINIAN DIPLOMAT SAID HIS
REQUEST FOR A 24-HOUR CEASE-FIRE
WAS DENIED AND RUSSIA CONVEYED
THAT ATTACKS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL
ITS DEMAND ARE MET.
PLUS, NEW CLAIMS THIS MORNING
THAT RUSSIA COULD BE LAYING THE
GROUND WORK TO USE BIOLOGICAL OR
CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
AND WHAT COULD BE A LOOMING
CRISIS AT THE CHERNOBYL NUCLEAR
PLANT.
THE POWER IS STILL OUT AND SO
FAR NO SIGNS THAT THE RUSSIANS,
WHO NOW OCCUPY THE PLANT, ARE
TRYING TO RESTORE IT.
AND THE BATTLE OVER HOW TO GET
FIGHTER JETS TO UKRAINE GETS
COMPLICATED AS THE COUNTRY'S
PRESIDENT JABS THE U.S. FOR
DENYING A PLAN BY POLAND.
ALL OF THIS AS THE WAR ENTERS
DAY 15.
WITH US WE HAVE U.S. SPECIAL
CORRESPONDENT FOR BBC KATTY KAY.
COLUMNIST AND ASSOCIATE EDITOR
FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST," DAVID
IGNATIUS.
AND FORMER NATO SUPREME ALLIED
COMMANDER RETIRED FOUR-STAR NAVY
ADMIRAL JAMES STAVRIDIS.
HE IS CHIEF INTERNATIONAL
SECURITY AND DIPLOMACY ANALYST
FOR NBC NEWS AND MSNBC.
>> WILLIE, A LOT OF HORRID NEWS
COMING OUT YESTERDAY FOR THE
PEOPLE OF UKRAINE.
ANOTHER DAY OF BAD NEWS FOR THE
RUSSIAN MILITARY.
JUST THEIR COMPLETE
INSEPTEMBERNESSINEPTNESS ON
THE BATTLEFIELD.
TO PUT CONTEXT ON THE BAD NEWS,
YOU HAD A MEETING BETWEEN TWO
FOREIGN MINISTERS THIS MORNING.
IT DIDN'T END WELL BUT THE
QUESTION IS WHAT DID THEY SAY
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS DURING THE
MEETING.
YOU HAVE THE RUSSIANS AND ZELENSKYY NOW SEEMING TO SORT OF
ZELENSKYY NOW SEEMING TO SORT OF
CIRCLE EACH OTHER, THE BROADOUT
OUTLINES OF A DEAL THAT COULD
HAPPEN.
UKRAINE DECLARING ITS
NEUTRALITY, RUSSIA GETTING
CRIMEA AND THE TWO BREAKAWAY.
WE ARE STARTING TO HEAR TALKS OF
THAT AND WE ARE HAVING TWO
FOREIGN MINISTERS GETTING
TOGETHER INSTEAD OF THE JOKE OF
A CONFERENCE WE SAW LAST WEEK
AND THE FIRST WEEK OF THE WAR.
>> YES, THIS IS THE HIGHEST
LEVEL MEETING BETWEEN THE TWO
SIDES.
THE UKRAINIAN DELEGATION SAID
NOT MUCH CAME OUT OF IT THOUGH
IT WAS A START THEY MET
TOGETHER, THOUGH SERGEY LAVROV,
THE RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER, AS
MIKA POINTED OFF WAVED OFF
CONCERNS ABOUT THE ATTACK ON A
MATERNITY AND CHILDREN'S
HOSPITALS AND SAID WHILE THEY
WERE HOUSING INSURGENTS THERE
THERE WERE NO PATIENTS THERE.
THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE.
IT IS HARD TO NEGOTIATE ACROSS
THE TABLE WHERE THIS IS NOT AN
ERRANT MISSILE BUT A TARGET ON A
HOSPITAL.
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
SAYS 18 HOSPITALS, HEALTH
CENTERS, AMBULANCES HAVE BEEN TARGETED IN THIS WAR.
TARGETED IN THIS WAR.
YOU COMBINE THE INEPT TUESDAY
YOU AREINEPTITUDE AND
IT IS A TOUGH COUNTRY TO
NEGOTIATE WITH IN GOOD FAITH.
>> IT IS.
DAVID IGNATIUS, STILL UKRAINE
NEGLECTING WITH RUSSIA AND THE
TWO SIDES ACTUALLY TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET TO A PLACE
WHERE, ONE, LIVES CAN BE SAVED
IN UKRAINE AND, TWO, VLADIMIR
PUTIN'S THIRD-RATE ARMY WILL
CEASE TO BE EXPOSED FOR JUST THE
ABSOLUTE DEBACLE THAT IT IS.
>> THIS IS A WAR THAT'S PAINFUL
FOR BOTH SIDES, WHERE BOTH SIDES
DO HAVE REASON TO NEGOTIATE.
RUSSIA HAS REASON TO NEGOTIATE
BECAUSE ITS FORCES INCREASINGLY
ARE WALKING INTO WHAT WOULD BE A
LONG-TERM TRAP.
IT WILL TAKE THEM YEARS TO GET
OUT OF UKRAINE IF THEY PERSIST.
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE FORCES TO
OCCUPY A COUNTRY WHOSE PEOPLE
CLEARLY DETEST THEM.
UKRAINE, THEIR CITIES, THEIR
CITIZENS ARE GETTING POUNDED.
THESE HORRIBLE SCENES.
I WROTE THIS MORNING IT IS LIKE
WATCHING A CHILD BEING STRANGLED
TO SEE THESE SCENES APPEAR.
>> YOU ALSO WROTE THIS MORNING
THAT THE IDEA OF SENDING JETS
THAT WON'T MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE
IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS BATTLE,
THAT SENDING JETS THE WRONG
THING TO DO, THAT COOL MEDICINE
MUST PREVAIL.
>> SO, JOE, AS WE KNOW WE'RE ON
THE EDGE OF WHAT COULD BE A
NUCLEAR CONFRONTATION IF RUSSIA
CHOOSES TO ESCALATE INTO THAT
SPACE.
>> YOU ALSO WROTE THIS MORNING
MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE CUBAN
MISSILE CRISIS RIGHT NOW.
>> THE CUBAN MISSILE CRIES
CRISIS WAS A NEGOTIATION BETWEEN
THE TWO SIDES, THERE WASN'T A
WAR GOING ON.
IT WASN'T CONDUCTED UNDER THE
LIGHT OF CNN AND NBC WORLD.
>> RIGHT.
>> THEY COULD MEET AND THINK
CAREFULLY AND FIND A WAY OUT.
WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT AND MORE
DANGEROUS SITUATION.
THAT'S WHY I TAKE THE REPORTS OF
DIPLOMATIC NEGOTIATIONS WE'VE
BEEN DISCUSSING THIS MORNING
SERIOUSLY.
THEY HAVEN'T GONE ANYWHERE YET,
BUT A DIPLOMATIC EXIT TO THE
CRISIS IS IN EVERYONE'S
INTEREST.
>> AND OTHER COUNTRIES MAYBE
GETTING INVOLVED?
>> INTERESTINGLY, ISRAELI PRIME
MINISTER NAFTALI BENNETT MET
SATURDAY WITH PUTIN.
IF THERE'S A PATHWAY TO MORE
SERIOUS NEGOTIATIONS THAT COULD
BE A PRODUCTIVE ONE.
>> KATTY KAY, AS DAVID POINTED
OUT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
REALITIES OF THIS, AS HE SAID
BOTH SIDES HAVE REASONS TO
NEGOTIATE, I THINK THE QUESTIONS
ON EVERYONE'S MIND IS DOES PUTIN
UNDERSTAND THAT OR IS HE JUST
DRIVING FORWARD NO MATTER WHAT,