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>>> BREAKING NEWS AND IT’S NEWS MANY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR IN
THE RUSSIA PROBE.
A FEDERAL JUDGE HAS JUST RULED,
SIDING WITH SPECIAL COUNSEL BOB
MUELLER, RULING THAT MUELLER HAS
PROVED PAUL MANAFORT LIED TO
INVESTIGATORS IN THE MIDST OF
HIS COOPERATION DEAL.
THIS IS THE CASE EVERYONE’S BEEN
TALKING ABOUT.
TALKING ABOUT. WE’RE GOING TO BREAKING
COVERAGE.
COVERAGE. A BIG WIN FOR BOB MUELLER
TONIGHT.
TONIGHT. HERE’S THE TAKEAWAY, THE
PROSECUTORS ARE NO LONGER BOUND
TO ANY LIGHTER SENTENCE.
THAT MEANS PAUL MANAFORT NOW
FACES THE PROSPECT OF A MUCH
HEAVIER JAIL SENTENCE.
WE HAVE A GREAT GUEST TO GO
RIGHT INTO THIS WITH, SOMEONE
WHO’S TALKED ABOUT THESE ISSUES
A LOT AND IS IN LEADERSHIP IN
THE DEMOCRATIC HOUSE, A MEMBER
OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE,
CONGRESSMAN HAKEEM JEFFRIES.
CONGRESSMAN, THIS NEWS BROKE
LITERALLY MOMENTS AGO.
WE JUST ALERTED YOU ABOUT IT.
I KNOW YOU HAVEN’T HAD A CHANCE
TO READ THE UNDERLYING MATERIAL
IN ALL FAIRNESS BUT WHAT DOES IT
MEAN, WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO
THE NEWS THAT A FEDERAL JUDGE IS
SIDING WITH MUELLER AND DIALING
UP THE HEAT ON MANAFORT AND THAT
HE FACES POTENTIALLY A LOT MORE
PRISON TIME?
PRISON TIME? >> WELL, IT’S CONTINUING
EVIDENCE THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
AND ASSOCIATES WHO WERE INVOLVED
IN IT HAVE ENGAGED IN LIES,
DECEIT, MANIPULATION AND AN
UNWILLINGNESS TO BE TRUTHFUL
ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE
DURING THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND
WHETHER THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY
BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN, WIKILEAKS, AND RUSSIAN
SPIES TO TELL OUT OUR DEMOCRACY
AND ARTIFICIALLY PLACE DONALD
TRUMP AT 1600 PENNSYLVANIA
AVENUE.
AVENUE. IT’S WHY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION
CONTINUES TO PROCEED, ALLOW HIM
TO DRAW WHATEVER CONCLUSIONS HE
REACHES AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT
INFORMATION IS PRESENTED NOT
JUST TO THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE BUT TO CONGRESS AND THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> BASED ON THE INFORMATION
WE’RE GETTING RIGHT OUT OF THE
COURT AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE
BIGGEST DEVELOPMENTS IN THE
MUELLER PROBLEM, IT WAS A BIG
DEAL WHEN THEY INDICTED THE
CAMPAIGN CHAIR, A BIG DEAL WHEN
HE FLIPPED AND COOPERATED, IT
WAS A BIG DEAL WHEN BOB MUELLER
CLAIMED -- AN ALLEGATION -- THAT
HE COMMITTED KNEW CRIMES BY
LYING.
LYING. TONIGHT BREAKING FOR THE FIRST
TIME, WE HAVE A FEDERAL JUDGE
INDEPENDENTLY CONFIRMING THAT.
IT’S NO LONGER AN ALLEGATION,
IT’S A LEGAL FINDING.
READING FROM THE MATERIALS I
HAVE, IT SAYS THAT THEY FOUND
THAT IN THREE OF FIVE EXAMPLES
THAT MUELLER PUT FORWARD THE
JUDGE SAID THAT MANAFORT HAD
LIED TO THE INVESTIGATORS IN THE
COURSE OF THE COOPERATION AND
THE JUDGE AGREES.
MUELLER IS NO LONGER BOUND TO
RECOMMEND A LIGHTER SENTENCE.
AS A MEMBER OF THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE, BOTTOM LINE, WHAT
DOES THAT MEAN?
DOES THAT MEAN YOU EXPECT PAUL
MANAFORT TO SPEND A LOT LONGER
TIME IN PRISON?
>> WELL, IT APPEARS THAT THERE’S
A GREAT POSSIBILITY THAT PAUL
MANAFORT MAY SPEND THE REST OF
HIS LIFE IN PRISON.
IT’S ALSO AN INDICATION THAT
WHILE PAUL MANAFORT AND OTHERS
WHO WERE FORMERLY ASSOCIATED
WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN CONTINUE
TO PLAY CHECKERS, BOB MUELLER IS
PLAYING THREE DIMENSIONAL CHESS.
HE’S ONE OF THE MOST
ACCOMPLISHED LAW ENFORCEMENT
PROFESSIONALS THIS COUNTRY’S
HISTORY HAS EVER SEEN, AND AS A
RESULT OF THAT, I’M CONFIDENT
THAT WHATEVER HE FINDS WILL BE
CONNECTED TO EITHER A CONSPIRACY
THAT EXISTED OR WE’LL ACCEPT THE
OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HE
PRESENTS, BUT HE CLEARLY IS
GOING TO DOGGEDLY PURSUE THE
TRUTH.
TRUTH. >> LET ME READ A LITTLE MORE AND
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS
WHERE, AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR
WITH EVERYONE, YOU ONLY HAVE
WHAT WE’RE HEARING.
I’VE JUST HAD HANDED TO ME NOW
THE RULING.
THE RULING. I WANT TO READ TWO POINTS
BECAUSE THEY ARE ISSUES WE’VE
DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY NOW THAT
THE JUDGE HAS FOUND ON IT.
NUMBER ONE, THE JUDGE FINDING
THAT THEY DID PROVE -- MUELLER’S
OFFICE DID PROVE THAT MANAFORT
WAS LYING ABOUT HIS INTERACTIONS
AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH THIS
INDIVIDUAL, KILIMNICK, THAT
MUELLER ALLEGES IS TIED TO
RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE, AND NUMBER
TWO, THAT HE WAS LYING ABOUT,
QUOTE, ANOTHER DOJ
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. DO YOU HAVE A VIEW OF EITHER OF
THOSE THINGS?
THOSE THINGS? ONE IS QUITE SPECIFIC AND RUSSIA
RELATED, THE OTHER IS QUITE
INTENTIONALLY VAGUE.
INTENTIONALLY VAGUE. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT’S
BEING EXPLORED IS WHAT IS THE
LEVEL OF COORDINATION,
COMMUNICATION, COLLUSION, AND/OR
CONSPIRACY BETWEEN MEMBERS OF
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN LIKE MANAFORT
AND RUSSIAN SPIES.
AND IF MUELLER HAS BEEN ABLE TO
DEMONSTRATE AND A FEDERAL JUDGE
HAS NOW CONCLUDED THAT MANAFORT
LIED ABOUT THAT AUGUST 2nd
MEETING AND INTELLIGENCE, THAT
WOULD ACTUALLY BE SIGNIFICANT
EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION AND
COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN AND THE RUSSIAN EFFORT
TO BREAK INTO OUR DEMOCRACY AND
ARTIFICIALLY ALTER THE RESULTS.
THAT’S A VERY SERIOUS
DEVELOPMENT.
DEVELOPMENT. >> SO YOU VIEW THAT, ACCORDING
TO, AGAIN, WHAT WE’RE LEARNING,
AS ESSENTIALLY POTENTIALLY
COLLUSION RELATED, AND AS I
OFTEN SAY IN FAIRNESS ON THIS
BROADCAST AND ELSEWHERE, THAT
DOESN’T MEAN WE KNOW ANYTHING
ABOUT THE EVIDENCE AGAINST, FOR
EXAMPLE, THE INDIVIDUAL, DONALD
TRUMP, BUT IT DOES LOOK AND I’M
ASKING IF I’M UNDERSTANDING YOU
RIGHT, LIKE MUELLER IS SAYING,
HE DIDN’T JUST LIE, HE DIDN’T
JUST BLOW UP THE PLEA DEAL, THAT
WOULD BE A BIG DEAL.
HE LIED -- AGAIN I’M READING
FROM THE JUDGE FINDING, MATTERS
THAT WERE MATERIAL TO THE
INVESTIGATION AND, QUOTE, HIS
INTERACTIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS
WITH KAILIMNICKKILIMNICK, DO YOU
ENOUGH TO SAY THAT THAT IS
COLLUSION RELATED?
COLLUSION RELATED? >> IT APPEARS ON THE AS FAR AS
TO BE COLLUSION RELATED BUT AS
YOU INDICATED I HAVEN’T BEEN
ABLE TO VIEW THE DOCUMENTS SO
THIS IS AN ARI MELBER FREESTYLE
I’M DOING.
I’M DOING. APPROPRIATE ON THIS SHOW BY THE
WAY.
WAY. BUT IT DOES SEEMS TO ME THAT
THIS COULD BE ADDITIONAL
EVIDENCE OF POSSIBLE COLLUSION
IN DIRECT COORDINATION AS IT
RELATES TO WHAT TRANSPIRED AT
THAT MEETING.
THAT MEETING. THEN THE QUESTION THAT WE ALL
HAVE TO ASK IS, WHY DO THEY
CONTINUE TO LIE ABOUT THEIR
CONTACTS WITH RUSSIAN SPIES?
WHAT WERE THEY TALKING ABOUT IN
MEETING AFTER MEETING AFTER
MEETING?
MEETING? IN THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, IT
ALSO APPEARS THAT THERE MAY HAVE
BEEN A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IF HE
BECAME THE PRESIDENT EASING UP
ON THE UKRAINIAN SANCTIONS WHICH
IS A MATTER OF GREAT INTEREST TO
VLADIMIR PUTIN.
VLADIMIR PUTIN. AGAIN, WE’RE GOING TO ALLOW THE
MUELLER INVESTIGATION TO RUN ITS
COURSE, ALLOW HIM TO GATHER THE
FACTS, PUT IT TOGETHER WITH THE
EVIDENCE AND THEN MAKE THAT
PRESENTATION TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. >> IN YOUR VIEW AS YOUR
COLLEAGUES SAY THAT THEY’RE
LAUNCHING NEW RUSSIA
INVESTIGATIONS, DO THEY PICK UP
THESE THREADS?
THESE THREADS? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN
FAIRNESS WE CAN NOTE IS THAT
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST
CONTROVERSIAL HERE MAY NOT
ULTIMATELY BE CHARGED AS
INTERNATIONAL FELONIES.
INTERNATIONAL FELONIES. ANYONE CAN RUN THE EXPERIMENT,
CONGRESSMAN, IF THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION HAD THIS LEVEL OF
CONTACT WITH A DIFFERENT HOSTILE
COUNTRY, PICK ONE, IRAN, OR IF
THE GEORGE W. BUSH
ADMINISTRATION HAD THEIR
CAMPAIGN MANAGER CAUGHT AND NOW
TONIGHT BUSTED, CHARGEABLE FOR
LYING TO BLOW UP A PLEA DEAL
REGARDING CONTACTS WITH CUBA.
THESE ARE BIG THINGS EVEN IF
THIS MIGHT BE THE END OF THE
CHARGES.
CHARGES. IS THIS THE TYPE OF THING YOU
GUYS MAY PICK UP IF MUELLER IS
OTHERWISE WRAPPING UP IN THE
NEXT INTERIM SHORT PERIOD?
>> HERE’S WHAT I WOULD SAY.
WE’RE GOING TO PROCEED IN TWO
WAYS.
WAYS. FIRST, WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE
OUR RELENTLESS FOCUS ON KITCHEN
TABLE, POCKETBOOK ISSUES
AGENDA, FOCUSING ON AN
INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN AND CLEANING
UP WASHINGTON D.C. SO WE CAN
HAVE EVERY DAY AMERICANS TO HAVE
A VOICE IN OUR DEMOCRACY.
SIMULTANEOUSLY, WE ARE A
SEPARATE AND CO-EQUAL BRANCH OF
GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL
RESPONSIBILITY TO SERVE AS A
CHECK AND BALANCE ON AN OUT OF
CONTROL EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
THAT’S NOT THE HAKEEM JEFFRIES’
PLAYBOOK.
PLAYBOOK. THAT’S THE JAMES MADISON
PLAYBOOK.
PLAYBOOK. AND OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS,
THERE HAS BEEN ZERO OVERSIGHT
DONE BY HOUSE REPUBLICANS.
WHY?
WHY? BECAUSE THEY’VE CONDUCTED
THEMSELVES LIKE WHOLLY OWNED SIB
SUBSIDIARIES OF THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION. THOSE DAYS ARE OVER.
WE’RE NOT GOING TO OVERREACH OR
POLITICIZE BUT WE DO HAVE A
CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO
EXPLORE WHAT THE HECK HAS TAKEN
PLACE WITH THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION AND PRIOR TO THAT
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
>> CONGRESSMAN, THIS IS ONE OF
THOSE BREAKING NEWS NIGHTS I
WANT TO MAKE SURE, SINCE THIS IS
GOING A LITTLE LONGER THAN YOUR
SCHEDULE, CAN YOU STAY WITH ME
FOR A COUPLE MORE MINUTES WHILE
I ADD IN SOME VOICES?
>> SURE.
>> SURE. >> THE CONGRESSMAN STAYS WITH
ME, A MEMBER OF HOUSE
LEADERSHIP.
LEADERSHIP. THE BREAKING NEWS IS BOB MUELLER
WINNING TONIGHT A KEY RULING
THAT EXPLODES FORMALLY FORMER
CAMPAIGN CHAIR PAUL MANAFORT’S
PLEA DEAL, OPENS THE PROSPECT OF
MUCH MORE PRISON TIME WITH HIM.
I’M JOINED BY PHONE BY FORMER
FEDERAL PROSECUTOR PAUL BUTLER
WHO WORKED IN THE
ANTI-CORRUPTION SECTION OF THE
D.C. FEDERAL PROSECUTOR’S
OFFICE.
OFFICE. HERE WITH ME ON SET, MY
COLLEAGUE AND A REPORTER ON THE
MUELLER PROBLEM, TOM WINTER,
TRACKS MANY OF THESE ISSUES FOR
US.
US. PAUL BUTLER, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> I CAN HEAR YOU LOUD AND
CLEAR, ARI.
CLEAR, ARI. >> YOUR VIEW OF THE SIGNIFICANCE
OF THIS AND THEN TOM IS GOING TO
WALK US THROUGH THE THREE THINGS
MUELLER WON ON.
>> TAKING A LOOK, A REALLY QUICK
LOOK OBVIOUSLY AT THE JUDGE’S
RULING, IT’S NOT A SLAM DUNK FOR
MUELLER BUT WHAT HE LOST ON IS
ALMOST AS INTERESTING AS WHAT HE
WON ON.
WON ON. SO HE LOST BASICALLY ON THE
CONCERNS ABOUT OBSTRUCTION OF
JUSTICE AND HE WON ON COLLUSION
WHICH MEANS THAT THE JUDGE IS
PERSUADED THAT PAUL MANAFORT WAS
INTENTIONALLY MAKING FALSE
STATEMENTS ABOUT THE HEART OF
THE INVESTIGATION, COLLUSION.
>> INTERESTING DISTINCTION THERE
AND ONE I THINK THAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FOCUS IN ON
AS WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH THE
CONGRESSMAN.
CONGRESSMAN. TOM WINTER, YOU ARE ONE OF THE
PEOPLE HERE WHO SENDS OUT THE
NOTES AND PEOPLE DEVOUR THEM.
WALK US THROUGH THIS.
>> A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, I THINK THAT THE KEY,
AND IT IS A BIT OF A SPLIT
DECISION, IF THIS WAS A BOXING
MATCH.
MATCH. THE JUDGE SAYS, THERE’S A
PAYMENT THAT SURROUNDS A SUPER
PAC THAT WE DON’T HAVE ALL THE
DETAILS TO.
DETAILS TO. IT IS STILL A PART OF THE
ONGOING INVESTIGATION.
ONGOING INVESTIGATION. PROSECUTORS SAY, AND THEY
HAVEN’T FULLY DETAILED ALL THE
CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING IT.
BUT IT DOES INVOLVE A PRO TRUMP
SUPER PAC AND SOME SORT OF
PAYMENT INVOLVING A LAW IF I
RECALL.
RECALL. THAT IS THE BEST WE HAVE.
BUT THE JUDGE SAYS MANAFORT LIED
THE TWO FEDERAL AGENTS AND THE
GRAND JURY ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT
THAT.
THAT. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CONTACTS
AND INTERACTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS
WITH
WITH WITH.
WITH. AND AS FAR AS THE MANAFORT’S
DISCUSSIONS REGARDING TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS, THAT
HE LIED ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
REGARDING THE OBSTRUCTION OF
JUSTICE IN HOW THAT PLAYS WITH
KILIMNIK WHICH THE SPECIAL
COUNSEL’S OFFICE DID NOT PROVE
THAT MANAFORT HAD LIED ABOUT
THAT, THAT HAS MORE TO DO WITH
WHAT HE IS CHARGED WITH, ALONG
THAT PAUL MANAFORT.
SO IT IS THIS EFFORT BETWEEN TWO
TO KIND OF SAY, HEY, THAT WORK
THAT WE WERE DOING THAT WAS
REALLY FOR UKRAINE, WASN’T
UKRAINE AND YOU SHOULD TELL A
COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE THAT.
THIS IS WHILE MANAFORT WAS UNDER
INDICTMENT.
INDICTMENT. THEY HIT HIM WITH A SUPERSEDING
INDICTMENT.
INDICTMENT. SO TO FOLLOW UP, IT IS NOT
SPECIFIC TO AN OVERALL
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
INVESTIGATION THAT PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> IT IS VERY SPECIFIC.
>> AND THIS IS WHERE THEY SAY,
BASICALLY, WHERE MUELLER DIDN’T
WIN WAS ON WHETHER THEY LIED
ABOUT QUOTE, KILIMNIK’S
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, AND IT
IS SOMEWHAT NARROW.
THERE ARE SO MANY ANGLES ON THIS
AND WHERE YOU IS IT AS THEY SAY
IS WHERE YOU STAND.
AND PEOPLE CARE ABOUT IT FOR
DIFFERENT REASONS.
DIFFERENT REASONS. IT IS A SPLIT DECISION FOR
MUELLER WHO WANTED TO WIN ALL
FIVE.
FIVE. IT IS NOT A SPLIT DECISION IF
YOU’RE PAUL MANAFORT OR HIS
FAMILY.
FAMILY. >> I’M SO GLAD YOU SAID THAT.
VERY, VERY BAD THE REST OF HIS
LIFE.
LIFE. >> I’LL REALLY GLAD YOU BROUGHT
THAT UP.
THAT UP. THE JUDGE SAID HE DID LIE AT
SEVERAL POINTS AND BECAUSE OF
THAT, AND BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE
THINGS HIS OWN DEFENSE COUNSEL
HAS.
HAS. THE PLEA AGREEMENT IS OFF.
WHAT THAT MEANS AS FAR AS WHAT
YOU WERE SPEAKING TO WITH PAUL
MANAFORT AND HIS FAMILY AND HIS
LIFE GOING FORWARD, ANY SORT OF
GUARANTEE BY THE GOVERNMENT THAT
THEY WOULD BRING DOWN HIS
SENTENCE, OR LIGHTEN HIS
SENTENCE GOING FORWARD, THAT’S
OFF THE TABLE.
>> WHICH MEANS HE COULD BE
FACING UP TO HOW MANY YEARS?
>> IT MEANS, HE COULD SPEND MOST
OF HIS REMAINING DAYS IN FEDERAL
PRISON.
PRISON. >> THAT’S A HEADLINE EVEN IF
THEY DIDN’T PROVE LIE NUMBER
FOUR.
FOUR. NICK ACKERMAN JOINS ME BY PHONE.
>> YEAH, I THINK THERE ARE TWO
BIG THINGS HERE.
ONE IS THIS GOES TO THE HEART OF
MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION.
MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION. IT IS THE TWO CONSPIRACY THAT’S
WERE CHARGED AGAINST RUSSIAN
OPERATIVES.
OPERATIVES. YOU HAVE MANAFORT LYING ABOUT
ONE OF THOSE INTELLIGENCE
OPERATIVES.
OPERATIVES. WHAT THE JUDGE HAS FOUND IS THAT
MANAFORT LIED ABOUT THE
CONSPIRACY RELATING TO THE
CONSPIRACY TO BREAK INTO THE
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE TO
STEAL RECORDS AND LIED ABOUT THE
CONSPIRACY RELATING TO THE
SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE MICRO
TARGETING OF VOTERS AND THE USE
OF THE VOTER INFORMATION THAT HE
PROVIDED TO HIM.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER BIG
PIECES HERE, IS THAT MUELLER,
MANAFORT WILL GET HAMMERED WITH
A HUGE SENTENCE.
AND THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT
GOING TO BRING MANAFORT AROUND
TO THE POINT WHERE HE IS GOING
TO HAVE TO BARE ALL AND
COOPERATE TO AVOID SPENDING THE
REST OF HIS LIFE --
>> YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT A DOUBLE
BACK FLIP?
BACK FLIP? THAT WAS THE THING THAT MADE HIM
FLIP THE FIRST TIME.
IT’S A BREAKING NEWS STORY BUT A
LOT OF VIEWERS WOULD SAY, HE
FLIPPED.
FLIPPED. >> IT’S NEVER TOO LATE TO
COOPERATE.
COOPERATE. >> AND WALK US THROUGH, TOM
WINTER WAS EXPLAINING THIS,
NICK.
NICK. THIS IS NOT, WHEN WE SAY LIFE,
WE MEAN THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
THIS IS NOT A CAPITAL CRIME.
WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A FORMAL
LIFE SENTENCE.
LIFE SENTENCE. BUT A MA’AM OFN OF HIS AGE, DO Y
AGREE WITH THE ANALYSIS THAT
LEGALLY YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT THE
NUMBER OF SPEIER COULD BE FOR
HIM AN EFFECTIVE LIFE SENTENCE?
>> THAT’S CORRECT.
HE HAS WITHIN A YEAR OF HIS
SENTENCE, HE CAN MOVE FOR A
REDUCTION IN THAT SENTENCE UNDER
THE FEDERAL RULES IF HE
COOPERATES.
COOPERATES. SO IT IS NOT OVER UNTIL IT’S
OVER.
OVER. AND A VERY HEAVY SENTENCE LIKE
THIS COULD WIND UP BASICALLY
PUTTING HIM IN A POSITION WHERE
HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO TELL THE
TRUTH.
TRUTH. >> I WANT TO SAY NOW, WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THIS WIN FOR MUELLER ON
THREE POINTS WHICH ALLOWS HIM TO
THROW BOOK BACK AT PAUL
MANAFORT, AND YOU COMBINE THAT
WITH THE VERY TINY CLUES WE GOT
IN OTHER PROCEEDINGS ABOUT WHAT
THEY’RE INVESTIGATING AND
WHETHER THERE WERE RUSSIA DEALS,
SANCTIONS OR OTHERWISE, PUT IT
ALL TOGETHER FOR US.
THANK YOU, NICK.
PUT IT ALL TOGETHER FOR US.
>> I THINK THE KEY THING NOW IS,
FIRST TO NICK’S APPOINTMENT,
YES, HE COULD TRY COOPERATE
AGAIN OR DO EVEN A POST
CONVICTION, POST SENTENCING
COOPERATION AGREEMENT.
COOPERATION AGREEMENT. BUT TO SAY THAT PAUL MANAFORT
HAS A CREDIBILITY PROBLEM MOVING
FORWARD, POTENTIALLY IN THE EYES
OF ANY FUTURE JURY WOULD BE, IS
AS OBVIOUS AS SAYING THAT I’M
SPEAKING TO YOU NOW.
SO I’M NOT SURE HOW THAT WILL
FIT IN BUT TIME WILL TELL.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT IS
KEY HERE IS THAT CHEERILY THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL BELIEVES THIS
INTERACTION WITH KILIMNIK,
SOMEONE THE FBI HAS IDENTIFIED
AS BEING WITH RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE, THIS IS ONE OF THE
KEY REMAINING, I DON’T KNOW IF
IT IS A REMAINING COMPONENT.
THEY MAY HAVE THE ANSWERS
THEY’RE HOOK FOR.
IT IS KEY PART OF THE
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. THEY HAVE SAID, THAT THEY’RE
LOOKING AT THIS HEARING, THAT
THEY FOUND IT UNUSUAL THAT THIS
MEETING OCCURRED WHILE PAUL
MANAFORT IS TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN
CHAIRMAN.
CHAIRMAN. HE’S THE QUARTERBACK AND TAKING
TIME ON VISIT WITH HIS OLD
ASSOCIATE.
ASSOCIATE. IT IS AN ALL CONSUMING EFFORT.
>> THANK YOU FOR JUMPING RIGHT
OVER HERE.
OVER HERE. OUR VIEWERS WILL KNOW THIS WAS
NOT A PLANNED APPEARANCE.
IT WAS BREAKING NEWS.
I’M SURE YOU’LL BE BUSY
THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT.
I’M SURE YOU’LL KEEP WORKING ON
YOUR SOURCES.
YOUR SOURCES. YOU TAKE IT ALL TOGETHER AND YOU
HEAR OUR REPORTER MENTION, THIS
GOES BACK TO MUELLER’S THEORY
ABOUT ONGOING RUSSIAN COLLUSION.
WE’RE NOT IN THE OBSTRUCTION
PLACE AND WE’RE NOT ONLY IN THE
FALSE STATEMENTS PLACE ANYMORE
WHICH SOME TRUMP ALLIES HAVE
SAID, WHAT DO YOU HAVE IF YOU
ONLY HAVE ROGER STONE ONLY.
THIS IS THE MUELLER PROSECUTORS
WINNING TONIGHT ON PAUL MANAFORT
TAKING EXTRAORDINARY PERSONAL
RISK TO HIDE RUSSIA STUFF.
IS IT IN YOUR VIEW A SIGN THAT
SOMETHING EVEN WORSE IN PRISON
TO HIDE?
TO HIDE? >> IT’S DEFINITELY A SIGN.
ALL WE’VE HEARD FROM DONALD
TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES AND SIX
FANLTS IS NO COLLUSION, NO
COLLUSION, NO COLLUSION.
CLEARLY, BOB MUELLER IS BUILDING
A CASE FOR COLLUSION.
AND THE TWO RECENT DEVELOPMENTS
WE’VE SEEN WITH ROGER STONE IN
COMBINATION WITH TODAY’S
BREAKING NEWS AS IT RELATES TO
MANAFORT, CONTINUE TO GET AT THE
POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WAS A
TRIANGULAR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, RUSSIAN
SPIES, AND WIKILEAKS, IN ORDER
TO SELL OUT OUR DEMOCRACY AND
ARTIFICIALLY ELECT A PRESIDENT.
WE’LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHEN
BOB MUELLER PUTS IT ALL
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. THAT CLEARLY SEEMS TO BE THE
PATHWAY THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL
IS PURSUING.
IS PURSUING. >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU WEIGHING
IN ON THE IMPORTANT STORY
LITERALLY AS IT BREAKS.