>>> WELCOME BACK TO "VELSHI AND RUEHL" WHERE WE’RE DIGGING INTO
ALL THINGS 2020.
>> POTENTIAL CANDIDATE
INTO ALL THESE 2020 HOWARD
SCHULTZ SPOKE LAST NIGHT ABOUT
HIS RUN
HIS RUN >> YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WIN AS
AN INDEPENDENT.
AN INDEPENDENT. THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.
WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO IS HAVE
US HAVE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT I WILL
NOT BE A SO-CALLED SPOILER ON
THIS.
THIS. >> I AM NOT GOING TO --
>> I GUESS HE’S SPEAKING.
JOINING US NOW OUR STEVE
CORNACKI.
CORNACKI. OKAY.
OKAY. STEVE, LAST NIGHT MUCH TO ALI
VELSHI DISAGREEMENT.
VELSHI DISAGREEMENT. HE’LL BE THE FIRST LEGITIMATE
INDEPENDENT PRESIDENTIAL
INDEPENDENT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.
CANDIDATE. HISTORY IS NOT ON HIS SIDE.
>> IN TERMS OF INDEPENDENCE AND
YOU GO BACK TO ROOSEVELT AND
ROSS PEROT IN 1992.
THESE ARE THE INDEPENDENT
CANDIDATES IN THE LAST HALF
CENTURY WHO MADE SOME KIND OF
MARK ON ELECTION DAY.
GO BACK TO ’68, GORGE WALLACE.
THAT 19% OF THE POPULAR VOTE
THAT PEROT GOT IN 1992.
THAT’S THE BEST SINCE TEDDY
ROOSEVELT.
ROOSEVELT. LET’S GO TO MODERN TIMES, NADER
AND BUCHANAN.
AND BUCHANAN. NOT A BIG NUMBER.
A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, LOOK AT
THOSE NATO VOTES, COULD HAVE
COME ON GORE’S SIDE?
DID THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?
YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE A BIG
NUMBER OF VOTES, A BIG SHARE TO
VOTE TO POTENTIALLY MAKE A
DIFFERENCE.
DIFFERENCE. THE OTHER QUESTION IS, HERE IS
THE ANOTHER WAY LOOKING AT IT.
HOW ABOUT ELECTORAL VOTE.
LOOK, YOU GOT TO GO BACK TO
WALLACE IN ’68, IT WAS A
REGIONAL CANDIDACY.
REGIONAL CANDIDACY. HE WAS A SOUTHERN CANDIDATE IN
68 JUST AFTER THE CIVIL RIGHTS
ACT, WRITING THE CIVIL RIGHTS
BACKSLASH AMONG WHITE VOTERS,
ONE STATE IN THE SOUTH.
YOU GO AFTER THAT AND EVEN
PEROT, GETTING 19% OF THE VOTE
AND COULD NOT WIN A SINGLE STATE
IN ’92.
IN ’92. SO REALLY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
HOWARD SCHULTZ.
HOWARD SCHULTZ. THIS IS ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS
HERE.
HERE. COULD HE GET ANY TRACTION AT
ALL?
ALL? HE CERTAINLY HAS A LOT OF MOY.
I LOOK AT PEROT, HE HAD A LOT OF
MONEY, TOO.
MONEY, TOO. I AM NOT SURE IF SCHULTZ HAS
THAT FOLKSY.
THAT FOLKSY. IF HE DOES GET TRACTION, THE
QUESTION IS IS IT
DISPROPORTIONALLY ON ONE SIDE
AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE
WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
YOU CAN BE SURPRISE OF THE
EFFECT THEY HAVE.
YOU ASSUME THEY’RE GOING TO DRAW
ON ONE SIDE AND THEY END UP
DRAWING THE OTHER.
SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS, TOO.
>> THERE SEEMS TO BE A NUMBER
OUT THERE.
OUT THERE. BUT, EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT ROSS
PEROT, HE PULLED 19%, RIGHT?
>> 16% OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IF THES
PARTY ARE TOO EXTREME.
THEY THINK THE PARTY MAY NOT BE
EXTREME ENOUGH FOR THEM.
>> IT IS AN INTERESTING
QUESTION, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THE
MIDDLE?
MIDDLE? ONE PERSON’S DEFINITION OF WHAT
THE MIDDLE IS DOES NOT ALIGN
WITH WE SORT OF THE POLITICAL
MEDIA OR POLITICAL WORLD DEFINE
DEFINED.
DEFINED. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> TAKE A LOOK AT PEROT IN ’92.
HE WAS THE SPOILER AND CAUSED
BUSH HIS SECOND TERM.
THERE WAS AN ELEMENT VOTE IN ’92
THAT YOU WOULD IDENTIFY WITH
HAPPY CANDIDATES.
HAPPY CANDIDATES. PEROT WAS AGAINST -- YOU CAN SEE
IT AGAIN IN 2020.
THE DEFICIT, THE NATIONAL DEBT,
PEROT RAN ON THAT.
IT WAS A DEMOCRATIC ’92.
HE LOST IN THE PRIMARIES.
THAT WAS HIS SIGNATURE.
PEROT IS BRINGING IN A LOT OF
SUBURBAN NIGHTS.
SUBURBAN NIGHTS. WHEN YOU GET AN INDEPENDENT
CANDIDACY THAT GETS TRACTION, IT
CAN DRAW AS PEROT DID AS FROM
DIFFERENT POCKETS.
DIFFERENT POCKETS. >> EVERYBODY ON YOUR SCREEN HAD
A MOTIVATING THROUGH LINE
THROUGH THEIR CANDIDACY, NONE OF
THEM RAN BECAUSE THEY WERE IN
THE MIDDLE OF TWO PARTIES
>> I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
>> IT IS INTERESTING, THINK
ABOUT THE ISSUE OF ROSS PEROT.
BUSH WAS NEGOTIATING NAFTA AND
CLINTON SAYS IT BEFORE NAFTA.
THEY’RE STEALING OUR JOB.
THERE WAS A POPULAR ELEMENT TO
IT.
IT. POLITICIANS, LOSE YOUR BAGGAGE
AND HAVE A BAD MEAL.
HE WAS TALKING AND CONNECTED, I
AM NOT SURE NECESSARILY IF
HOWARD SCHULTZ HAS THAT.
LOOKS LIKE IT IS EARLY RIGHT
NOW, HE’LL SPEND A FEW MOPTNTHS
SEE IF HE CAN GET SOME TRACTION.
THREE MONTHS LATER, HE WAS IN
FIRST PLACE IN THE POLLS.
LET’S SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH
HOWARD SCHULTZ THREE MONTHS FROM