>>> WE ARE AWAITING THE MEMBERS
OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON
JANUARY 6th MINUTES FROM NOW
WILL BE GATHERING FOR A SPECIAL
MEETING.
THEY ARE VOTING TONIGHT ON A
MESS SORE TO
MEASURE TO DEFER CRIMINAL
CHARGES.
TRUMP'S SOCIAL MEDIA ADVISOR DAN
AND TRADE SECRETARY PETER
NAVARRO.
BOTH WITNESSES VIOLATED SO
SUBPOENAS THAT REFUSING TO SIT
FOR DEPOSITIONS AND BOTH WERE
DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THE SCHEME TO
SUBVERT THE RESULTS OF A
DEMOCRATIC ELECTION AND PAUL OFF
THE FIRST AMERICAN COUP.
IN THE 34-PAGE CONTEMPT REPORT,
THE COMMITTEE SAYS HE WAS LIKELY
WITH TRUMP ON JANUARY 6th AND
5th AND SAY THEY HAVE REASON TO
BELIEVE HE MAY HAVE HAD ADVANCED
WARNING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR
VIOLENCE.
SEPARATELY, NAVARRO WORKED WITH
ALT RIGHT EXTREMISTS AND STEVE
BANNON ON THE GREEN BASE SWEEP
TO DELAY CERTIFICATION OF THE
VOTE AND NAVARRO HAS EXPLICITLY
SAID TRUMP WAS ON BOARD WITH THE
STRATEGY.
SEPARATELY, "THE WASHINGTON
POST" REPORTS THE COMMITTEE NOW
WANTS TO INTERVIEW GINNI THOMAS,
THE WIFE OF CLEARANCE THOMAS
WITH THE BIZARRE QANON TEXT
MESSAGES GINNI THOMAS EXCHANGED
WITH MARK MEADOWS SHE ENCOURAGED
HIM TO OVERTURN THE 2020
ELECTION.
THIS COMES AFTER THE COMMITTEE
TODAY SCORED A SIGNIFICANT
VICTORY IN COURT AGAINST TRUMP
LAWYER AND INSURRECTION MEMO
AUTHOR JOHN EASTMAN WHO TRIED
AND FAILED TO WEASEL OUT OF A
SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS.
MORE EXPLOSIVE HOWEVER, THE
JUDGE IN THE CASE SAID TRUMP
PROBABLY COMMITTED A FELONY WHEN
HE TRIED TO STOP CONGRESS FROM
CERTIFYING THE VOTE FOR BIDEN IN
A SWEEPING AND HISTORIC 44-PAGE
RULING TODAY, U.S. DISTRICT
COURT JUDGE DAVID CARTER WROTE
BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THE COURT
FINDS IT MORE LIKELY THAN NOT
TRUMP ELECTED TO OBSTRUCT THE
JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS ON
JANUARY 6th, 2021.
PROFESSOR AT THE ALABAMA SCHOOL
OF LAW AND FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY
AND ELIE, AND PETER, FORMER FBI
COUNTER INTELLIGENCE AGENT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
JOYCE, I'M GOING TO YOU.
I'M READING THROUGH THIS 44-PAGE
RULING AND AS A LAYPERSON, IT'S
JAW DROPPING.
THE WALK THROUGH THAT THE JUDGE
THAT THE FEDERAL JUDGE CARTER
TAKES US THROUGH WHAT HAPPENED
AND THIS SEEMINGLY VERY SPECIFIC
PLOT BETWEEN EASTMAN AND MEMBERS
OF CONGRESS AND IT IS SEEMINGLY
COORDINATED THROUGH THE
PRESIDENT.
YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT RULING?
>> SO THE JUDGE LAYS OUT THE
EVIDENCE FOR CRIMINALITY BETWEEN
TRUMP AND EASTMAN AND VERY MUCH
THE WAY I'M USED TO DOING AS A
FEDERAL PROSECUTOR IN A DOCUMENT
WE CALL A PROSECUTED MEMO THAT
FOLKS IN A U.S. ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE SIT AROUND AND TAKE A
LOOK AT TO DECIDE WHETHER THERE
IS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO INDICT
AND IN THIS CASE, THE EVIDENCE
IS LAID OUT IN A VERY COMPELLING
AND LINEAR FASHION.
THE JUDGE CONSIDERS THE EVIDENCE
OF TRUMP'S INTENT, WHICH JOY,
YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT A
LOT BECAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
AND HARD TO PROVE ISSUE AND
CONCLUDES IT'S THERE.
THERE IS ONE IMPORTANT CAVEAT.
THIS JUDGE IS LOOKING AT THE
EVIDENCE IN A CIVIL CASE
CONTEXT, WHICH MEANS HE ONLY HAD
TO DECIDE IT WAS MORE LIKELY
THAN NOT THAT THE FORMER
PRESIDENT AND JOHN EASTMAN WERE
ENGAGED IN CRIMINAL CONDUCT AND
OF COURSE, THE BURDEN OF PROOF
IN A CRIMINAL CASE IS MUCH
HEAVIER.
IT'S PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE
DOUBT.
>> THIS IS WHAT WAS WRITTEN AS
PART OF THIS.
EASTMAN AND TRUMP PER THE JUDGE
LAUNCHED A CAMPAIGN TO OVERTURN
A DEMOCRATIC ELECTION
UNPRECEDENTED IN ELECTION
HISTORY.
THEIR CAMPAIGN WAS NOT CONFINED
TO THE IVORY TOWER.
IT WAS A COUP IN SEARCH OF A
LEGAL THEORY.
IF'S MAN EASTMAN AND TRUMP'S PLA
WORKED, IT WOULD HAVE ENDED THE
PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER
UNDERMINING DEMOCRACY AND THE
CONSTITUTION.
AND ELIE, AS WE'RE STARTING TO
GET PIECES OF THIS STORY, IT
SEEMS THAT THERE WERE SOME
MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES
SENATE AND THE WIFE OF A SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE WHO BOTH SEEMED TO
BE ON THE SAME PAGE AND HAVE THE
SAME LEGAL THEORIES, LEGAL
THEORIES, I'LL PUT IN SQUARE
QUOTES AND BE OPERATING ALMOST
AS IF THEY ARE PLAYING FROM THE
SAME PLAYBOOK.
GINNI THOMAS SEEMED DETERMINED
THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES ACTED TO OVERTURN
THE ELECTION AND TED CRUZ WHO
THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE STORY
ABOUT HIM "THE WASHINGTON POST"
ABOUT HIS SEEMING COMPLICITY.
YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> JOY, WE DON'T WANT TO WAKE
MERRICK GARLAND.
OKAY?
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO PROTECT
HIM FROM HAVING TO WAKE UP AND
DO HIS JOB.
LOOK, TO BE HONEST, JOYCE WAS
JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE
WOULD DO AS A PROSECUTOR'S
OFFICE AND QUITE FRANKLY, A
PROSECUTOR WOULD BE GREAT.
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD ONE
IN AMERICA WILLING TO PROSECUTE
AND DEFEND OUR COUNTRY INSTEAD
OF WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT
NOW.
THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY, THE
RULING THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS A
GREAT RULING AND KIND OF LAYS
EVERYTHING OUT, THAT'S GOING TO
BE APPEALED BECAUSE THE TRUMP
SIDE HAS NO GOOD ARGUMENT.
THEY JUST HAVE A DELAY TACTIC SO
THEY'RE GOING TO APPEAL.
IT WILL GO TO THE CIRCUIT COURT
AND GO TO THE SUPREME COURT
WHERE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WAS
IMPLICATED IN THIS SCHEME, THEIR
HUSBAND WILL BE ONE OF THE
JUDGES AT THE SUPREME COURT TO
DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THESE
EMAILS CAN ACTUALLY GET OUT.
RIGHT?
LIKE THAT IS THE SYSTEM THAT WE
HAVE RIGHT NOW AND THE PERSON
WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON OUR
SIDE FIGHTING AGAINST THAT
SYSTEM IS I MEAN, LIKE WE SAY
EVERY TIME I'M ON THE SHOW,
EITHER MERRICK GARLAND HAS A
SUPER SECRET INVESTIGATION GOING
ON THAT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT BUT
HE'S GOT ALL THE CARDS READY TO
GO OR THE BIGGEST FAILURE OF AN
ATTORNEY GENERAL IN AMERICAN
HISTORY.
THOSE ARE THE STAKES RIGHT NOW
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
AT.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU'RE
LOOKING AT AS YOU LOOK AT THE
SCREEN.
THIS IS THE MEMBERS OF THE
JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE TAKING A
WALK IN THERE.
WE HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES.
THE BEST THING FOR YOU AS A
FORMER FBI GUY IS WHEN THEY
ADMIT THEY DID IT. THAT MAKES YOUR JOB EASIER.
THAT MAKES YOUR JOB EASIER.
HERE IS PETER NAVARRO COMING ON
A
ARI MELBER'S SHOW.
>> IF THE VOTES WERE SENT BACK
TO THOSE BATTLE LGROUND STATES
AND LOOKED AT AGAIN THAT THERE
WOULD BE ENOUGH CONCERN AMONGST
THE LEGISLATURES THAT MOST OR
ALL OF THOSE STATES WOULD
DECERTIFY THE ELECTION THAT
WOULD THROW THE ELECTION TO THE
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
>> DO YOU REALIZE YOU ARE
DESCRIBING A COUP?
>> NO.
I TOTALLY REJECT MANY OF YOUR
PREMISES THERE.
>> ARI TRIED TO ALERT HIM TO THE
FOOLISHNESS.
PETER, THE THING THAT'S SO WILD
IS WHEN YOU READ "THE WASHINGTON
POST" PIECE ABOUT WHAT TED CRUZ
WAS ADVISING BE DONE, IF YOU
READ THE EASTMAN MEMO ABOUT WHAT
HE WAS CLAIMING COULD BE DONE
AND YOU GO THROUGH WHAT G ISHLGS
NNI
-- GINNI THOMAS HAD DONE, THEY'RE THE SAME.
THEY'RE THE SAME.
>> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO
DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL
CONFER THEM TO CONTEMPT
PROSECUTIONS.
THE SECOND PART IS THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE PROCESS AND I UNDERSTAND
I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR
ALLY AND THE URGENCY AND SENSE
OF URGENCY AND WANTING TO GET
THIS INFORMATION OUT BUT THE
FACT OF THE MATTER IS OUR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROCESS TAKES
TIME AND THAT'S BY DESIGN AND I
GET WE NEED TO AND WANT TO GET
THESE PEOPLE ON THE RECORD.
WE WANT TO SEE RESULTS AS SOON
AS WE CAN BUT THE FACT OF THE
MATTER TO JOYCE'S POINT, THIS IS
WE HAVE TO PROVE UP IF WE'RE
GOING TO BRING CHARGES, IT HAS
TO BE UP TO A PROBABLE CAUSE OR
PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT
STANDARD AND ALL THE DIFFERENT
ELEMENTS OF THE CRIME, THERE HAS
TO BE ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE WHAT
WE CAN SHOW FROM AN EMAIL,
STATEMENT, TESTIMONY WE CAN
ACHIEVE THAT HIGH HURDLE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES
I WORKED INTO WORK AS AN FBI
AGENT JUST FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I
KNEW SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING
WRONG AND I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO
TAKE IT TO THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE AND GET THEM CHARGED.
WE SEE TWO THING GASSING ONS GOI
ONE IS THAT ROUTE.
THE OTHER ROUTE, THE ROUTE WE'RE
WATCHING FOLKS WALK INTO NOW,
THAT MAY BE THE BETTER PATH TO
GET TO THE TRUTH OF WHAT
HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th.
>> WE JUST SAW LIZ CHENEY WALK
IN AND SHE'S PROBABLY THE
MOST -- A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE
ANGRY WITH HER.
SHE'S PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE
FOR REPUBLICANS.
SHE'S A TRUTH TELLER IN THE
INSTANCE.
I THINK THE CHALLENGE AND ELIE
AND I ARE PROBABLY ON THE SAME
PAGE.
I WON'T SPEAK FOR YOU, ELIE.
THE PROBLEM IS IN THE CASE OF
NEW YORK, CY VANCE'S SUCCESSOR,
TOUGH ON TRUMP AND HIS CAREER
BELIEVE WAS READY TO GO.
HE HAD WHAT PETER JUST SAID THAT
YOU NEED A GREAT CASE THAT HE
LITERALLY BELIEVED WHEN HE LEFT
THAT OFFICE COULD BE PROSECUTED
AND HIS SUCCESSOR SAID I DON'T
WANT TO DO IT.
THE PROBLEM IS NOT DOING
ANYTHING IS A POLITICAL
DECISION.
I WORRY THAT MERRICK GARLAND IS
MAKING A POLITICAL DECISION IT
WOULD BE TOO UPSETTING FOR
REPUBLICANS AND TRUMP SUPPORTERS
IF HE DID THE THING THAT SEEMS
OBVIOUS WHICH IS TO PURSUE A
CASE THAT IS ABOUT AN AMERICAN
COUP.
YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> SO IF YOU'RE ASKING ME -- GO
AHEAD, ELIE.
>> THAT'S FOR YOU ELIE.
>> SO LET'S ALSO ADD THE FACT
THAT THE CRIMINAL REFERRAL WAS
GIVEN TO GARLAND MONTHS AGO.
LONG TIME AGO AND THERE IS STILL
NOT CRIMINAL INDICTMENT FOR THE
CONTEMPT.
THE CONTEMPT THEY VOTE ON
TONIGHT LIKE WHEN DOES THAT GET
HANDLED BY GARLAND.
REMEMBER, THERE IS A TICK, TICK,
TICK, TICK CLOCK GOING ON HERE.
EIGHT MONTHS IS WHEN THE MIDTERM
ELECTION IS ARGUABLY AND THE
SELECT COMMITTEES ARGUE,
INVESTIGATION IS STOPPED IF
GARLAND ISN'T HERE NOW.
NOW HE'S GOING TO BE IN THE