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germans who joined us he's from %uh
usc chapel hill
seasonable jesus throughout this day i really didn't
%uh contradictions in the bible
and why we don't know about them professor moran
welcome the answer
frederick %um first question tough stuff to talk to target let me know
that's my goes for me this is just
who's got the closure because there are many strikes against another used in
working out the where that that there are a look at that wanted to be a
comeback of our program but
professor mamtha professor interrupted
until the second alright so
how
first elementary question about
the new testament for me is
wrote
recognized
and right
better that better background that carbonated birthday certain that the
tactical wrote the battle right
you know what surprising to
there are people who are involved in the car shipping address
we know we have twenty seven books in the new testament but probably only
eight of them are actually written by the people that %uh there named in their
titles
so have most of them are
%uh a lot of them are anonymous like matthew mark luke and job there
the authors don't indicate what their names are there only later called
matthew mark luke and john
but there are some books like %uh come up all rhetoric but actually were
written by paul
and for those of the c_ dot on a strident writing center
written by somebody claim to be someone they're not spuds baki that this is an
don't walk me through this thing professor how the bible came to be
old testament and was that around at the time of their put me the other of the
new testament has a definitive thing like these are the books of the old
testament no as a serb us about it and wayne
though that either moses road ever abraham wrote it
or what's your advice that's again and that is funny little support dot
canadian bob woodward
right here that would require too
it fell apart and the family queued up in the writing the new testament there
were some books that we call the old testament
there were considered scripture by perky argues central
photographers five books of the old testament
%uh jennifer that comes from the ticket numbers do drop me they were they were
thought to be hot scripture and they were part of the written by moses
%uh they write a book
%uh the profit
%uh that that works out to be widely among jews
but they wanted a closed kennedy at the weather
%uh agreement that they were only certain number of books that were going
to be in the
in the jewish scriptures that was more wide open than that
but by the time it universally everybody agreed to return the product most of the
profits
spill
you know to that end though you talk to that the other only eight of the
twenty-seven books haven't having then authored by people to contribute to the
number-two
and the others what what what what we consider the others use city there's a
dinosaur
or %uh you know
new hoaxes or
that haven't voted for that
somewhat some of them are are not about stating that the other whoever attendant
out with their names are rights but on the market out of it than in the modern
and modern parlance those literary forgeries
%uh that's what you write something claiming to be somebody that you're not
and we'd we haven't been to the of that in the new testament
%uh forgetful second peter claims to be written by it
if i can manage it despite the plans
virtually everybody agreed to sign into your didn't like it
so %uh mail back to work for everybody agree i mean
scholars to work on this issue %uh etc agree for centuries about the
linens and services who is who was the orbiter those inclusion and there were
simple sentences are organized this love yes this will know who see some of the
publisher of the editors
sahi are left another quick question that i have another impartial operative
devoted to this question because it's a it's an interesting one
and i think what people tend to think of that there are some kind of church
council whether the chopin
and the bishops voted at some point but it
it actually didn't work that way it
the grew twenty five invoked that we now have a good investment
emerged eventually over a long period of time
certain church fathers argued that these were the book that should be considered
scripture
and they've developed argument something back whether they were ancient book
whether they're perfect
so if you had with the apostles or not and whether they thought the right form
of christian belief
of course the %uh christians who had been a part of the bully pulpit of the
books out of the image picture had further along debate about which both
ought to be included in which were about to be
and eventually won one group ended up winning out of date
there was a group of about three hundred years after the date do you go through
who finally decided which puts a big road it's in
this fireball that that that people believed is the word fuses in oregon
was in
that %uh bunch of
boats that were written by some
we know some people we don't know some
or claim to the people we know will work
%uh and was decided three hundred years after the birth of jesus at what you
find that out isn't it hard to come to the conclusion that this has been a
degree of authority at all
rack up a lot of people directly curriculum rewrite the historical back
then
and the thing destruction of the largest cut short of my idiosyncratic where do
you fear the view that are taught by
the majority of critical scholarship in the attachment that happened for many
decades
in both united states and in europe
%uh both but most people never heard of this
and when people to know that they need to decide what what does this do about
their understanding about the bible
and and whether the bible can be seen as an authoritative book or not
for
the next level on a suburban and a professor of art permit he's at the
university of north
uneasy as it is necessarily the npc from
process the logical seminary oppressor
the ones that we do know about was alright look here's a new testament book
we know was authored by paul
and
and so as i said we can tell that sector
but those were also written about sixty years after jesus which back then was
evil one word charity is ur anyway of knowing if these people had any idea
what jesus acceded as some would claim if jesus even existed
ferryboat become a big ben that any rehearsal for people to claim victory
actually never
existed and that he was made up %uh
i think that's completely wrong i mean it's not because i'm a believer in jesus
but just as a historian
i think that they're that there is very solid evidence the people
exempted but the president very complicated to know what it what it is
he was like a white said what he did
%uh and part of the problem is that at that point out in the book is that we
have
before gospel accounts
and they're at odds with one another %uh
both in minor
detailed but also in major aspect of the of how to understand that jesus was
pawlik about the pop pollack writing before any of the top corporate his
writings are
bareilly at christian writings
but %uh yellow parliament how to write much about the historical jesus about
what you just said that
will probably come think about the historical jesus and
one of the things that he probably just kind of off the copy vicki
he personally knew peter g disclose disciple
attitude keep his brother james
so i think i think it's pretty clear public some things about this story with
you this
and at that know that you don't live in acton made out there that he really did
a test
the trick is not what he said and did
his sermon
you know and i still can't last
has only because you've written a book on the subject are you you are over the
sky review welfare
but i thought that internet nasa and is if you come to the field of divinity and
pay
more religious than you are now resort
morrison that knife hand-delivered probably rather that they really are
core
evangelical christian
bible believing here thinking the bible with the infallible word of god
and it was only on the bases of my
research and and the studies that i did at princeton theological seminary that i
came to realize
but the bible in fact was not infallible that there were mistakes in it
but i i i didn't become a net knocked it because of the historical problems in
the private life's at the candidate not that's actually because i couldn't
understand why there could be too much pain and suffering in the world if there
is
a god who was in charge of the benevolent done and i'm sure that pieces
because of problems and for you in north carolina
sometime happened
flatter yesterday i'm sure it does but %uh you know if it is interesting that
your skepticism about
religion and about the existence of god through your own what seems to be the
most exhaustive research and i'm sitting here listening to listen to entertain
first question
as the the amount of research that had to go into finding out what
was in was in fraudulent in certainly in your estimation but i'm sure you have a
lot to back it up
%uh had to themselves also but i can't imagine after coming to this
but not justin you know leading the skeptic about the whole show you know
and that's just
there are no
it all recruiting bravo
spent the last three years intensely researching
literary forgery in early christianity
%uh for a book that i'm going to write about and that's been taking another
year full time research on it
so there there's a lot of research behind it but
together presented sort of my findings interest
independence park have been paying for many decades do you have to go and
that's another season said he was a sears at that time matters at a price
list a long time still
still on sunday as we has
books coming out about %uh you know there was a book released in the fall
that andrew jackson
%uh it how different is
writing a book in two thousand eight about andrew jackson from writing a book
in the year sixty about jesus christ vastly different picture
right when you get a researcher at the tracking enquiries searchlight period
databases that you have
journal article that you have book and you have all sorts of information that
you can look up
intentioned people driving fifty years after the dignity of this
kidnapped libraries and they could have databases and
basically they had to write about it impact on the word of mouth
%uh year after year after year
for sixty years and so %uh a lot of the information is about the format with
with other with other offers and and a lot of information at the evaluate
whether trustworthy or not
that gets us is something you alluded to earlier which is inconsistencies in the
bible
%uh you know i'm always amused
evangelical say the bible is infallible
%uh heidi
offering which bible
which which version is infallible because he doesn't even agree with
itself
server
we aren't replica misquoting wicket problem that
you know we don't even have the originals of any of the book to the new
testament
and so when somebody said that the new testament is infallible word
you know what are they talking about because
the with we don't have the original manuscripts in all of the problem the
manuscripts we have
differ from one another
%uh in in walked away himself
it's hard to know if you look you original opera growth level of knowing
whether what their role is accurate or not
insists is
that they're accurate let's assume that not only it was the jesus divine but the
people who
wrote about in six years later or so divine but they do exactly what he's
didn't send
and that the people who transcribed it and the people who pass it along
institutions
to what you want to go
within one not single they were all the money on
helmet
all hundred-percent so then why don't the text agree what life widest all
john also given
now why do they have a different kind of like you all the copies of alcohol
disagree about what all set
and %uh it's probably worth preserving its word
for a future generations
why is that we don't have any completely accurate copies
andy
even if we have accurate copies
we still have the problem of poem at the adult industry i know i am very major
issues
sal
%uh it's this is again it's a little question and he went to the principia
logical seminary got your master of divinity et cetera from there
levers talk about the word of god and how it's infallible and
and what the right principals or the christians should follow they both paul
hope that they don't have to have a good sign
acting %uh i think they're different levels earth believers some are more %um
educated and %uh enlightened than others
lou those who are really who are knowledgeable i have a very
sophisticated understanding of the things that though
i don't want to bad-mouth christian believers because %uh
i had planned to roberto christian believers
who know everything that i know about the bible and who in fact for smarter
than me
anecdotally
so i mean i him i feel like %uh the strange thing but it it
and
so that i think people like that
well i took her historical problems with the bible
but they still think that there's a god of the world without
through these these hippies
style with that
instances desks
re-emphasized
make a decision on whether that was in the fall or matthew
ice a little question
%uh well arctic start
you know i think that one after evaluating whether part map you seem to
be speaking the truth i think you're not
i mean if you repackage is in the bible to condemn homosexuality
and if you happen to think that that's an outdated views and of course you
don't think that that
that particular perspective of the word of god
well wayne because everybody kite ets yes welfare they don't pick and choose
they pick and choose
barter men out of the book is called jesus interrupted you've done a fine job
a blurred is trying to dispel the rumors caroline is just a jock school
%uh and
better training centers
clear that there is