INTERVIEWED BY THE FBI IN A
DODGY FASHION.
>> THE THINGS THAT MAY HAVE
TAKEN PLACE, AGAIN THAT'S FOR
THE JUDGE TO MAKE THE
DETERMINATION, WHETHER HE
ENGAGED IN SOMETHING
INAPPROPRIATE.
WHAT WE DO KNOW THAT WAS
INAPPROPRIATE BY OWN SELF
ADMITTANCE OF JAMES COMEY IS
THAT THE FBI BROKE STANDARD
PROTOCOL IN THE WAY THAT THEY
CAME IN AND AMBUSHED GENERAL
FLYNN AND IN THE WAY THEY
QUESTIONED HIM AND IN THE WAY
THEY ENCOURAGED HIM NOT TO HAVE
WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL'S OFFICE
PRESENT AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE
JAMES COMEY TOLD US THAT AND HE
SAID THE REASON THEY DID IT WAS
BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON THEY DID
IT, IT WAS THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION AND THEY THOUGHT
THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT.
LOU: NOTHING FROM TODAY'S
HEARING IN IN WAY SUGGESTS ANY
WRONGDOING BY THE PRESIDENT NOR
DOES IT DISPLAY ANY COLLUSION
WITH RUSSIA.
IT IS TIME FOR THE MUELLER WITCH
HUNT TO END IT.
OUR FIRST GUEST TONIGHT, SARA
CARTER, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER,
FOX BUSINESS CONTRIBUTOR.
GREAT TO SEE YOU.
I HAVE TO SAY, IN READING THE
TRANSCRIPTS IN ALL OF THIS, THE
JUDGE IN THE CASE SEEMS TO HAVE
GONE FOR A MOMENT COMPLETELY
NUTS.
WHAT HAPPENED?
>> IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST CON
CONTENTIOUS COURT HEARINGS I'VE
EVER BEEN IN MY ENTIRE CAREER,
LOU.
IT WAS INCREDIBLE.
FOR AT LEAST THE FIRST 40
MINUTES WHEN THE JUDGE CAME OUT,
HE WAS REALLY PUSHING, ASKING
QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER TO
FLYNN, DO YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW
YOUR PLEA.
HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT HE
WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE
SENTENCING MEMORANDUM TURNED IN
BY FLYNN'S LAWYERS.
THIS IS WHERE THEY DISCLOSED THE
FACT THAT THERE WERE NO
ATTORNEYS PRESENT, THAT McCABE
BASICALLY KIND OF AS VICED FLYNN
NOT TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY PRESENT
WITH THE OTHER FBI AGENTS THAT
WERE INTERVIEWING HIM, PETER
STRZOK AND THE OTHER AGENT AS
WELL.
THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE
302s, WHETHER WAS EXCULPATORY
INFORMATION BEING WITHHELD AND
THE JUDGE KEPT PUSHING SAY, I'M
DWIFG YOU AN
GIIFG YOU AN
GIVIG YOU AN
GIVINGYOU AN
GIVING YU AN
GIVING YOUAN
GIVING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY.
DO YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW YOUR
PLEA.
DO YOU WANT TO SEEK THED A VICE
OF OTHER COUNSEL.
I WILL STOP THIS HEARING RIGHT
NOW AND ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK TO
SEPARATE COUNSEL.
HE KEPT SAYING NO NO NO NO NO.
AND THEN EVERYTHING WENT
HAYWIRE.
THAT'S WHEN THE JUDGE BECAME
VISIBLY CONFUSED AND UPSET AND
STARTED LOBBYING ALLEGATIONS.
REMEMBER, YESTERDAY IS WHEN THE
MUELLER COUNSEL ACTUALLY -- THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL TURNED OVER THE
DOCUMENTS ON THE FORMER PRIMARY
IN FLYNN'S INTEL GROUP, HIS
FORMER PARTNER.
SO EVERYTHING WAS KIND OF SET
OFF KILTER ALREADY.
LOU: BUT MOST PEOPLE WERE
THINKING HIS REQUESTING TO SEE
THE 302s, EVERY DOCUMENT
INVOLVED IN THE FLYNN CASE AND
THEN THE MUELLER TEAM GIVING
THEM THE 302 THAT WAS AN
IMPRESSION OF THE INTERVIEW
RATHER THAN THE ORIGINAL 302
WHICH ULTIMATELY GOT WHAT, AT
6:00 LAST NIGHT.
EVERYONE WAS THINKING THAT HE
WAS GOING TO BE TAKING UP THE
MISCONDUCT OF THE SPECIAL
COUNSEL LEGAL TEAM, INSTEAD
TURNING TODAY ON GENERAL FLYNN.
>> TURNED ON GENERAL FLYNN.
HE TURNED ON THE PROSECUTORS AS
WELL AFTER THEY TOOK THE
25-MINUTE BREAK.
LOU, RIGHT BEFORE HE GAVE THAT
25-MINUTE BREAK TODAY IN THE
COURTROOM, HE TURNED AROUND AND
SAID, DO YOU REALIZE -- AND THIS
IS WHEN, AFTER FLYNN HAD SAID
NO, I'M NOT WITHDRAWING MY PLEA,
THAT'S WHEN HE SAID, DO YOU
REALIZE THAT THESE CHARGES ARE
VERY SERIOUS.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU
LIED TO TWO FBI AGENTS IN THE
WEST WING OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
AND THEN HE STOPPED.
AND HE SAID YOU'RE STILL
COOPERATING WITH THE SPECIAL
COUNSEL AND THAT'S WHEN THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL ADMITTED THAT.
HE GAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
POSTPONE THE HEARING SO HE
BASICALLY TOLD FLYNN LOOK, TAKE
EVERYTHING I'M GIVING YOU RIGHT
YOU.
BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I WAS STUNNED.
THAT JUDGE SULLIVAN DIDN'T AT
THAT POINT ALSO CHIDE THE
PROSECUTORS ON THE 302s, THE
FAILURE TO TURN IN THE CORRECT
ONES, ALSO THEIR BEHAVIOR ON HOW
THEY QUESTIONED FLYNN.
IT WAS REALLY DISTURBING.
AT THE END OF IT ALL HE'S
GETTING A MARCH 13th THEY'VE
INDEFINITELY POSTPONED IT BUT
THEY'RE GOING TO MEET ON THE
CALENDAR MARCH 13.
LOU: I CAN'T IMAGINE WE'RE GOING
TO TAKE UP TONIGHT WHETHER THIS
JUDGE SHOULD BE SITTING ON THIS
TRIAL PERIOD WITH OUR ATTORNEYS
HERE TONIGHT.
THIS IS -- IT'S STUNNING TO ME
THAT THIS JUDGE WHO HAS SUCH A
REPUTATION OF HOLDING
PROSECUTORS TO A HIGH STANDARD
WOULD SUDDENLY DECIDE HE IS A
MEMBER OF THE PROSECUTION.
AND TO CLAIM THAT GENERAL FLYNN
HAD COMMITTED TREASON.
UTTERLY ABSURD.
WHAT WAS HIS DEMOCRAT
WHAT WAS HIS DEMEARAT
WHAT WAS HIS DEMEANOT
WHAT WAS HIS DEMEANOR WHEN HE
WITHDREW THE COMMENT?
>> HE CAME BACK OUT AND SAID I
WANT TO WITHDRAW THAT COMMENT.
THAT WAS NOT ACCURATE.
HE HAD ASSUMED -- IT WAS REALLY
STRANGE.
IT'S LIKE HE WAS OFF ON UL
IT'S LIKE HE WAS OFF ON ALL OF
HIS TIME LINES.
HE ASSUMED FLYNN WAS STILL
WORKING AS A FOREIGN AGENT OR
WORKING ON CONTRACTS DURING THE
TIME HE WAS WITH THE PRESIDENT
AND THEN HE HAD TO SAY I'M
WITHDRAWING THE COMMENT.
WHAT I'M ASKING HERE IS
QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO TAKE
EVERYTHING I SAY LITERALLY.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE
WE'RE GOING HERE AND WHAT THE
PROSECUTION AND DEFENSE ARE
TAKING US TO.
AT THAT POINT ACTUALLY SULLIVAN
WAS BACKTRACKING AND IT WAS VERY
CONFUSING FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE
AUDIENCE AS WELL FOR THE
ATTORNEYS BOTH STANDING UP THERE
IN FRONT OF JUDGE SULLIVAN.
IT WITH US A REALLY TOUGH DAY
AND YOU COULD SEE THE DEMEANOR
OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL MICHAEL
FLYNN.
IT WAS JUST DISHEARTENING.
YOU KNOW, HE CAME IN ONE WAY AND
AFTER THE 25-MINUTE BREAK HIS
WHOLE BODY LANGUAGE JUST CHANGED
AND THEN THEY TOOK THE
POSTPONEMENT.
LOU: IT'S A SHAME.
THIS JUDGE, NO MATTER -- THE
UTTER INEXPLICABLE BIZARRE
CONDUCT ON THE JUDGE TODAY.
HE HAD SUCH A GOOD REPUTATION AS
A STICKLER FOR PROCEDURE AND THE
RIGHTS FOR DEFENDANTS IN THE
FACE OF SEEMINGLY ALL POWERFUL
FEDERAL PROSECUTORS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, LOU.
HE WAS TRYING TO FIND THE
PREDICATE.
HE KEPT PUSHING ON THE QUESTION.
LIKE WHAT WAS THE CRIMINAL
PREDICATE, WHAT WAS THE
PREDICATE FOR QUESTIONING FLYNN.
WHAT WAS THE CRIME.
LOU: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
>> AND THE ANSWER WAS COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT THAN WHAT COMEY
DELIVERED TO CONGRESS, YOU KNOW,
THE OWE DAY.
WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH THE
TRANSCRIPTS OF WHAT COMEY SAID,
HE SAID BECAUSE HE HEARD THE
VICE PRESIDENT AND WHAT THE VICE
PRESIDENT SAID WASN'T THE SAME
AS WHAT FLYNN HAD SAID.
AND WHEN HE WAS QUESTIONED ON
THAT, WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST TELL
THE VICE PRESIDENT THAT WHAT
HE'S SAYING ISN'T TRUE AND HAVE
THE VICE PRESIDENT QUESTION
FLYNN, HE SAID WELL I GUESS I
COULD HAVE DONE THAT BUT I
DIDN'T.
BUT THEN IN THE COURTHOUSE TODAY
THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE
LOGAN ACT.
I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW,
LOU --
LOU: THE UNPROSECUTABLE LOGAN
ACT.
>> THAT'S WHEN EVERYBODY
LAUGHED, EVEN THE JUDGE.
THERE WHERE TWO DIFFERENT
STORIES HERE.
NOTHING IS MAKING SENSE AND
THERE ARE STILL A NUMBER OF
QUESTIONS REGARDING WHY THESE
TWO FBI AGENTS WENT TO QUESTION
FLYNN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITHOUT
AN ATTORNEY PRESENT.
LOU: THERE IS ONE CONSTANT IN
ALL OF THIS, AND THAT IS THAT IT
REMAINS A WITCH HUNT.
AND PROSECUTORS WITHOUT SENSE OF
PROPORTION OR ANY COMPREHENSION
OF THE PROPER CONDUCT ON THE
PART OF A NONPARTISAN PROSECUTOR
INSTEAD OF A POLITICAL AND VERY
PARTIZAN PERSECUTION OF AN