Speaker 1: We should be finding out relatively soon whether Donald Trump is going to be indicted
for his role in allegedly trying to overturn the presidential election results in Georgia back
in 2020. And the person who is saying that the decision is coming soon is someone who
would know a thing or two about it. It's Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who is the
Georgia prosecutor, investigating whether Trump broke election laws in the state by trying to
strong arm Brad Raffensperger and get him to find the, quote, 11,780 votes. She told the Associated
Press that she expects to come to a decision about whether to indict Trump by June 30th. Now,
that sounds very direct and it definitely sounds like it's coming soon, especially because we're
in the middle of June now. But then we find out there's a catch in that. That catch is that she
actually made the statement back in January. She said, quote, I certainly think that in the first
half of the year, that decision will be made. But who knows if between now and then things
have changed, if the timeline has been moved back. What is promising, though, is that Willis
has been ramping up her investigation in recent months. She's interviewed a few dozen people,
including Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. She was granted approval for a special grand jury,
but has held off on having witnesses testify before the jury. Willis has also commented that
she would want to make the announcement after the primary elections as to not give the appearance of
a conflict of interest or trying to influence the race in any way. And those primary elections took
place a few weeks ago in Georgia. So now around now seems like the right time to come out with
the announcement. Right. Are you going to indict him or are you not? Especially because if she's
worried about this idea of election interference, then, you know, you don't want to wait so long
as to run up against the November midterms. You don't want to wait until right before
the general election either. So I'd imagine it's probably coming soon to me. For what it's worth,
I think that Trump clearly broke the law on this. I think it's a slam dunk case. If you look at the
Georgia election law, it says, quote, A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation to
commit election fraud in the first degree when with intent, then another person engaged in
conduct constituting a felony. Under this article, he or she solicits requests, commands, importance
or otherwise, attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct. And the punishment is
somewhere between one and three years in prison. For what it's worth, and I'm no lawyer, but if
you take a look at the letter of the law there, it certainly looks like Donald Trump committed
this crime and you at least have enough evidence to go to an indictment and we'll let the jury
decide whether he is guilty. They also have audio recordings of him. They can establish that there
was a well-planned, well coordinated effort to do this. It certainly wasn't a one off thing by Trump
to like. He definitely has a pattern of this. And there's witnesses like you. You definitely have
a solid case here. So my sense is that if they decide not to indict, it's going to be more of a
political calculation than a criminal one. They may just say, you know, we've never prosecuted
a former president. We don't want to go down that road. So we're going to let him off the hook here.
And I hope that doesn't happen. I hope that he's held accountable. Also, someone who thinks that
Trump is going to be indicted in this Georgia case is Eric Holder, who was Obama's attorney general.
Let's take a look at him saying that he suspects an indictment is going to come soon.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, you can look at what Merrick Garland is going to do. I think my
primary, my first analysis would be what's going to happen to him in Georgia? Well, you've got
him on tape saying, you know, find me 11,780. That one is close to a layup. It seems to me.
I've always said the same thing about that. Why don't they just go after that one moment. It's
on. Tape. You have the smoking gun. He's saying. I mean, I remember when Rod Blagojevich was on tape.
Basically, it didn't work out too well for him. No, I know. But but it was it was it was it was
pretty blatant, but it wasn't as bad as find me 11,000 votes. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think as I said,
I think that's close to a lay up. The D.A. down there is going to be calling witnesses,
I understand, before a special grand jury. But the interesting thing there is that that can
also be a specification and a federal charge that could be brought in Washington, D.C.
When you're charging him with conspiracy to defraud and conspiracy to obstruct, what happened
in Georgia can actually be part of a federal case as well. So I think, you know, I was a federal
prosecutor doing political corruption cases when I first came to the Justice Department for 12 years.
And you get a feel for these things after a while. I get the feeling that I can see where this one is
going and a lot of high level people in the Trump administration. I suspect the president himself,
people at the Justice Department, are all going to find themselves on a little document that says
the United States versus fill in the blank. Speaker 1: So there you have it. Eric Holder
suspecting that Donald Trump is going to be indicted in this Georgia election fraud case.
And I just get the sense that if Trump is going to have to face any consequences for his alleged
wrongdoings, it's going to be because of this Georgia case like the other investigations. I
just don't see them going anywhere at this point. The one out of New York,
for example, there just doesn't seem to be the appetite to charge him. And we've had
resignations because it seems clear that they're just not willing to go in that direction.
Merrick Garland and the Biden Justice Department, I just don't know if they want to open up a
can of worms and start this tradition of presidents prosecuting former presidents.
Trump probably could get charged for his alleged financial crimes and his role in the insurrection
and the hush money payments that he had Michael Cohen allegedly issue and that Cohen went to
jail for. But to me, this one just seems like it has the highest chance of actually getting
an indictment, going to trial and getting a conviction. So we'll see how it goes. We're going
to find out whether Trump will actually ever have to face consequences for anything in his life.