GOOD EVENING, I'M DAVID AS AN
INTERVENING ON PENN STATE
JONATHAN, CHRISTINA, CAROL AND
JOHN.
THE 2020 DEMOCRAT MAY NOT LOVE
HOW THE MEDIA COVERS HIM BUT HE
SAYS HE WANTS TO SAVE QUOTES,
REAL JOURNALISM, BY DRIVING OUT
ITS CORPORATE OWNERS.
HE SLAMS THE LIKES OF JEFF BESOS
SANDERS NEW PROPOSAL AIMING TO
STOP CORPORATE CONSOLIDATION
TAKE ANTITRUST ACTION AGAINST
TECH GIANTS LIKE FACEBOOK AND
GOOGLE AND BOLSTER INDEPENDENT
NEWS BY ENDORSING A QUOTE,
TARGETED ADVERTISING TAX FOR
FUNDING NEWSROOMS.
SANDERS STATING PART QUOTE,
TODAY'S ASSAULT ON JOURNALISM I
WALL STREET BILLIONAIRE
BUSINESSMAN SILICON VALLEY AND
DONALD TRUMP PRESENT A CRISIS
AND WHY WE MUST TAKE CONCRETE
ACTION AND WE SHOULD NOT WANT
EVEN MORE OF THE FREE PRESS TO
BE PUT UNDER THE CONTROL OF A
HANDFUL OF CORPORATIONS AND
BENEVOLENT BILLIONAIRES WHO CAN
USE THEIR MEDIA EMPIRES TO
PUNISH THEIR CRITICS AND SHIELD
THEMSELVES FROM SCRUTINY.
JONATHAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
BERNIE'S SOLUTION?
>> FREE PRESS THAT MEANS FREE
FROM GOVERNMENT.
BUT OUT BERNIE.
THIS IS INFURIATING THE
GOVERNMENT HAS NO ROLE ZERO,
ZILCH NO ROLE IN JOURNALISM AND
IN SPEECH AND IN IDEAS BUT BOTH
BERNIE IN THE LAST AND ON THE
RIGHT AS WELL HAVE CONSISTENTLY
BEEN ATTACKING THE FREE PRESS
NOT JUST ONE INSTITUTION OR ONE
PURE RADICAL OR REPORTER FOR THE
INSTITUTION AT LARGE AND THAT'S
WHAT PAVING THE WAY FOR THESE
CALLS ARE MORE GOVERNMENT
REGULATION OR INSTITUTION INTO
WHAT COULD BE MORE SACRED THAN A
FIRST AMENDMENT OUR FREE PRESS.
BUT OUT, BERNIE.
>> CAN WE GET AN AMEN OUT IN
HERE?
I AGREE WITH YOU JONATHAN.
THE FUNNY THING IS I FEEL LIKE
WE HAVE NOT HAD A FREER PRESS
THAN WE DO NOW IN THE FACT THAT
EVERYONE HAS A VOICE WHETHER
PUBLISHING YOUR OWN BLOG ON THE
INTERNET OR GOING ONTO A BIG,
BAD CORPORATE SITES LIKE
FACEBOOK OR TWITTER AND TO HAVE
YOUR OWN VOICE AND PUT IT OUT
THERE.
WE'VE NOT HAD THAT BEFORE.
UNLESS YOU ARE A JOURNALIST OR
KNEW SOMEBODY WHO WOULD PUBLISH
YOU CANNOT GET YOUR VOICE INTO
THE MIX SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THAT WE DON'T
HAVE A FREE PRESS BUT CONSUMERS
HAPPEN TO CLICK ON CLICK BEAT
ALL THE TIME YOU DON'T HAVE THE
BEST TASTE.
DAVID: PANEL, STAY IN.
I WANT TO BRING IN THE MEDIA
RESEARCH CENTER, DAN GAYNOR.
YOU MIGHT NOT LOOK HIS SOLUTIONS
BUT BERNIE HAS HAD ON REAL
PROBLEMS WITH JOURNALISM, NO?
>> JOURNALISTS HAVE A TON OF
PROBLEMS AND BERNIE'S SOLUTIONS
ARE NOT GOOD.
LET'S HAVE THE SOCIALIST MESS
WITH THE CONSTITUTION IN FREE
PRESS.
NOT ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
THESE ARE NOT EVEN NEW SOLUTIONS
AND I - I WROTE AN OP-ED FROM
BOX NINE YEARS AGO TALKING ABOUT
HOW A FREE PRESS IS TRYING TO
GRAFT FROM GOVERNMENT FROM
JOURNALISTS $230 BILLION THAT
BACK THEN BECAUSE THEY KNOW IF
GOVERNMENT IS FUNDING JOURNALISM
IT WILL END UP FUNDING LEFT-WING
JOURNALISM JUST LIKE IT DOES IN
EUROPE AND JUST LIKE IT DOES
HERE IN AMERICA WHEN IT COMES
IT.
PBS, JOURNALISTS BASICALLY ARE
PART OF THE GOVERNMENT OPERATION
ALREADY AND CAN YOU IMAGINE IF
THEY GOT MORE MONEY?
THEY WOULD NOT BE MORE
CONSERVATIVES BUT MORE LIBERAL.
>> PART OF THE GOVERNMENT
OPERATION JOURNALISTS ARE PART
OF THE GOVERNMENT OPERATION DID
I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY?
>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT -
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>> THAT'S COMPLETELY INCORRECT.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO ANOTHER
POINT BEFORE DAN JOINED JUST, HE
SAID GOVERNMENTS ARE NOT IN
BEING AND EVERYONE HAS A VOICE
BUT HAVEN'T YOU IN THE PAST, ON
THE SHOW, ARGUE THAT MAYBE THE
LIKES OF FACEBOOK AND GOOGLE ARE
SHUNNING THE RIGHT WING VOICES
AND FAVORING LIBERALS BY US OR
HAVING THE LIBERAL BIAS SO ISN'T
THAT GOING CONTRADICTORY TO WHAT
YOU'RE STEALING RIGHT NOW THAT
EVERYONE HAS A VOICE AND OUT
THEY DON'T?
THERE IS A CONCERN THAT THE
SOCIAL MEDIA GIANTS IS THAT THEY
DO HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER
WHAT WE SEE AND CONTRIBUTE OR
GET A LOT OF THE ALGORITHM AND
MORE PEOPLE ARE TURNING TO THEM
SO I DO THINK IT'S AN ISSUE AND
NO, JOURNALISTS ARE NOT PART OF
THE GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION OR
WHATEVER YOU JUST SAID, DAN.
[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]
>> IF I COULD RESPOND BACK TO
CHRISTINA TO ADDRESS THAT HE
POINT.
IF YOU LISTEN TO I SAID ON THE
PROGRAM BEFORE I SAID I FEEL
LIKE THESE FORMS SHOULD PROTECT
THE SPEECH AND THAT'S WHAT THEY
SHOULD DO BUT THE GOVERNMENT
SHOULD NOT INTERVENE AND THEY
SHOULD BE THE FREE MARKET THAT
PUTS PRESSURE ON COMPANIES AND
SHAREHOLDERS SHOULD PUT PRESSURE
ON THEM AND FOLLOW FREE SPEECH
OUT OF PRINCIPLE NOT BECAUSE
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BY LAW.
I AM NOT ARGUING FOR GOVERNMENT
INTERVENTION BEFORE OR TODAY.
>> NO, BUT IN THE PAST - GO
AHEAD, JOHN.
>> CHRISTINA, I WILL AGREE WITH
YOU BECAUSE YOU SAY THAT
REPORTERS ARE NOT FOR THE
GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION BUT LOOK
TO THE WASHINGTON POST WITH - BY
THE WAY, BERNIE SANDERS CALLED
OUT AS WELL.
THEY HAVE 47 PULITZERS AND THEY
ARE THE ONE THAT BROKE THE
WATERGATE SCANDAL AGAINST THE
GOVERNMENT THEY WERE SUPPOSEDLY
WORKING FOR.
ANY POLITICIAN WE HAVE, RIGHT OR
LEFT, WILL GO AFTER ANY PRESS
THAT'S AGAINST HIM AND US
HURTING OUR PRESS AND YOU HAD
BILLIONAIRES WITH THE GRAHAM
FAMILY WASHING THE WANTING TO
POST AND WE'VE ALWAYS HAD
BILLIONAIRES - NOT ALWAYS GREAT
LIKE WILLIAM RANDALL HEARST AND
JOSEPH PULITZER.
WE HAD BAD THINGS HAPPEN BUT
WERE STARTING TO SEE MORE
FREEDOM OF PRESS NOW AND I DON'T
THINK THESE POLICIES WILL TAKE.
DAVID: DON, YOU WOULDN'T BE FOR
A SYSTEM WHERE THE GOVERNMENT
HAS A TAX AND PAY FOR SOME KIND
OF GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED OR
GOVERNMENT REGULATED JOURNALISM
SYSTEM THAT IS PAID FOR BY
TAXPAYERS, WOULD YOU?
>> OH MY GOD, NO, DAVID.
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I'M WITH JONATHAN.
I DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT IN
ANY OF IT BUT I THINK IT'S
UNFAIR TO BE JOURNALISM
COMPLETELY AS A LIBERAL
PROPAGANDA.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU BUT HONESTLY
I ASKED THIS QUESTION TODAY IF
IT DOESN'T THE PRESIDENT, ON
SOME LEVEL, BEAR SOME OF THIS
RESPONSE ABILITY BECAUSE HE
TAKES EVERY OPPORTUNITY NOT TO
GO AFTER ONE PARTICULAR
NEWSPAPER REPORTER BUT A TAX THE
PRESS AT LARGE AND THE MEDIA IS
IN THAT SEWING THIS ELEMENT OF
DISTRUST THAT ESSENTIALLY PAVES
THE WAY FOR BURNING?
>> I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.
>> ONE THING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.
HE DID NOT START THIS FIGHT.
THE MEDIA SUPPORTED - THEY LOVE
TO TRUMP FOR A LONG TIME AND
THEN THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY
COULD SO HE FOUGHT BACK.
HE SAID SOMETHING THAT I WIDELY
DISAGREE WITH.
HE SAID THE PRESS IS THE ENEMY
OF THE PEOPLE.
THEY'RE NOT THE ENEMY OF THE
LEFT.
THEY LOVE THE LEFT.
BUT I ENEMIES TO CONSERVATIVES?
ABSOLUTELY.
>> HE DID NOT START IT?
WHAT KIND OF ARGUMENT IS THAT I
HEAR THAT FOR MY EIGHT -YEAR-OLD
KID.
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DAVID: JOHN, ARE YOU SUGGESTING
THAT THE MEDIA GIVES DONALD
TRUMP A FAIR SHAKE?
>> I THINK THE MEDIA HAS AN
INHERENT LIBERAL BIAS, YES, I
AGREE WITH THAT BUT WE DON'T
HAVE NEWSPAPERS THAT ARE BASED
IN DES MOINES OR CEDAR RAPIDS,
IOWA SO YES, THE MEDIA HAS A
LIBERAL BIAS AND I DON'T THINK
THAT LEADS INTO STORIES.
DAVID: YOU DON'T?
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN - DO YOU
REMEMBER THEY TRY TO PUT OUT A
HEADLINE THAT SEEMS LIKE IT
MIGHT BE PRO- TRUMP AND THEY HAD
TO CHANGE IT AT THE LAST MINUTE
BEFORE IT HIT THE PRESSES.
>> DAVID, ISN'T THAT THE BEAUTY?
CAROL ALLUDED TO THIS.
THERE ARE MORE SOURCES NOW AND
MORE JOURNALISM FOR MORE VOICES
THAT'S EVER BEEN HAD BEFORE AND
CITIZEN JOURNALISM WERE
PODCASTING.
>> PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEWING LIES
ON THE BLOG IS NOT JOURNALISM.
YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE BUT TO
JOHN'S POINT THERE'S BEEN 1400
COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LOST THE
NEWSPAPERS AND WHERE THE LOCAL
NEWS OUT THERE?
[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]
>> LAST TIME I CHECKED THE FIRST
AMENDMENT INCLUDED FREEDOM OF
PRESS BELONGS TO ALL OF US BUT
YES, IF SOMEONE BLOGS WHETHER
THEY ARE A HIGH PAY NEW YORK
TIMES REPORTER OR ORDINARY
PERSON ON THE STREET THEY ARE
BLOGGING THAT JOURNALISM BUT THE
PROBLEM IS -
>> CHRISTINA WOULD DECIDE WHAT
JOURNALISM IS.
DAVID: HOLD ON.
HOLD ON.
AS AN OLD PRINT GUIDE LET ME GO
BACK TO DAN ON THIS BECAUSE I
THINK CHRISTINA MAKES A GOOD
POINT.
IN THE OLD DAYS I WORKED AT THE
JOURNAL FOR MANY YEARS AND WE
HAD FOUR LEVELS OF EDITORS
BEFORE ANYTHING WOULD HIT THE
NEWSPRINT.
THAT IS GONE NOW AND A LOT OF
JOURNALISM IT'S JUST RIGHT FROM
YOUR FINGERS INTO THE INTERNET
AND BECOMES COLD, JOURNALISM.
THAT, JONATHAN, IF YOU HAVE
THESE LEVELS OF EDITORS THAT ARE
SUPPOSED TO CHECK THE ACCURACY
OF YOUR STORY THAT DOES PROVIDE
- NEVER HAVE A GUARANTEE BUT
MORE EVIDENCE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE
PRINTED IS TRUE.
RIGHT?
>> AND IT HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>> WELL, THIS HIGH LEVEL OF
ACCURACY ARE THE SAME ONES,
DAVID, THAT LATE JASON BLAIR .
DAVID: BIG MISTAKES WERE MADE.
>> YEAH, BUT WHAT I THANK YOU
MIGHT QUIBBLE WITH THE NEW YORK
TIMES EDITORIAL BUT TO CRITICIZE
THEIR ACTUAL REPORTING THEY SEND
REPORTERS OUT AND DO REPORT THE
NEWS AND AT THE END OF THE DAY
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, TURN IT