IN A STANDALONE BILL RATHER THAN BE CAST IN THE DARK OF NIGHT.
OUR FIRST GUEST TONIGHT AT THE
MEETING TODAY WITH THE PRESIDENT
PRESIDENT, HE HAS HIS OWN
PROPOSAL WITH WHICH TO DEAL WITH
PFIZER.
PFIZER. JOINING US TONIGHT, SENATOR RAND
PAUL.
PAUL. THE FOREIGN RELATIONS AND
HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
THE PFIZER RIGHT NOW, IT SEEMS
AS IF THERE’S A LARGE CONTINGENT
ON CAPITOL HILL.
THEY WANT TO RENEW AND MAYBE
REFORM IT LATER.
AFTER THIS NATION AND THIS
PRESIDENT HAVE ENDURED MORE THAN
THREE YEARS OF SPYING ON
AMERICAN CITIZENS BY THE FBI AND
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. >> I JUST CAME FROM THE WHITE
HOUSE AND THE PRESIDENT MADE IT
CLEAR, NO QUIBBLING ABOUT IT,
ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, HE WILL NOT
SIGN A REAUTHORIZATION OF THE
PATRIOT ACT UNLESS WE REFORM
PFIZER.
PFIZER. THE PROPOSAL I GAVE HIM WAS
THIS.
THIS. DON’T USE PFIZER, WHICH IS A
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE COURT
DESPITE AMERICANS.
DESPITE AMERICANS. SIBLEY SAY THAT AMERICANS, IF
YOU WANT TO SPY ON THEM, YOU
HAVE TO GO TO A CONSTITUTIONAL
ARTICLE THREE COURT TO GET THE
WIRETAP.
WIRETAP. THIS WOULD PROTECT AMERICANS
FROM ABUSES THAT HAPPENED IN THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN BUT THESE ABUSES
COULD HAPPEN TO REPUBLICANS OR
DEMOCRATS AND WE HAVE ADVISED
PEOPLE IN THE FBI OR
INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES SO I THINK
THE BEST REFORM, LET’S TAKE
AMERICANS OUT OF PFIZER AND KEEP
THE FOREIGN SURVEILLANCE COURT
TARGETED TOWARDS FOREIGNERS.
LOU: I THINK THAT MAKES ALL THE
SENSE IN THE WORLD.
THAT’S GREAT NEWS.
THE PRESIDENT WILL STAND AND
DEMAND REFORM OF THOSE PFIZER
COURTS.
COURTS. THAT HAVE VIOLATED HIS
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. FOR YEARS.
FOR YEARS. >> IT’S NOT A DONE DEAL YET
BECAUSE THERE WERE MANY VOICES
IN THE ROOM WHO DON’T WANT TO
REFORM IT, THEY WANT TO
RUBBERSTAMP IT AND THEIR LOYALTY
IS TO THE DEEP STATE AND NOT THE
PRESIDENT AND NOT REALLY TO
FAIRNESS ON THE CONSTITUTION.
I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS A SPIRITED
DEBATE BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE
PRESIDENT ABSOLUTELY SITES WITH
THOSE OF US WHO SAY THERE HAS TO
BE REFORM AND HE’S NOT SIGNING
ANY BILL THAT DOESN’T HAVE
REFORM.
REFORM. LOU: AND OUT ONE PERSON WHO
WANTS THAT BILL TO BE PASSED
WITHOUT REFORM, THAT’S MITCH
MCCONNELL.
MCCONNELL. HE SAID THIS -- IF WE COULD ROLL
THIS SOUNDBITE, I’M TOLD IT’S
NOT THERE.
NOT THERE. HE SAID IN THAT, IF WE ARE
UNABLE TO RESOLVE, MY PREFERENCE
WOULD BE ANOTHER EXTENSION WHICH
WOULD GIVE US MORE TIME TO TALK
AND FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN
PFIZER REFORM, I PUT MYSELF IN
THAT CAMP.
THAT CAMP. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS
ADDRESSING THAT HIMSELF.
TO ME, IT IS DISPIRITING TO HEAR
A SENIOR REPUBLICAN OFFICIAL
LIKE THAT OF LAW THAT HAS BEEN
MISUSED AND ABUSED.
>> I CAN TELL YOU THE PRESIDENT
WAS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, HE DIDN’T
PULL ANY PUNCHES, HE SAID HE
DOES NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN TO
ANOTHER PRESIDENT EVER AGAIN.
I’M WITH HIM.
FOR ME, THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN
THING.
THING. I HAD THIS VIEWPOINT BEFORE
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I WOULD SAY
THIS IF IT WERE A DEMOCRAT
PRESIDENT WHO HAD BEEN ABUSED,
NOBODY WHO CHOOSES TO GET
INVOLVED IN POLITICS, CAN YOU
IMAGINE IF THE USES ON PARTICLE
ACTIVISTS?
ACTIVISTS? WITH WHAT IF YOU ARE A RIGHT TO
LIFE ACTIVIST OR A VARIETY OF
DIFFERENT ISSUES?
DIFFERENT ISSUES? SHOULD YOU BE ALLOWED TO BE
TARGETED?
TARGETED? THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE
USED THE INTELLIGENCE APPARATUS
FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES?
IS HAS TO TO STOP.
I THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO DO
IT.
IT. SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM
WHO WANT TO REAUTHORIZE IT,
LET’S WAIT AND STUDY THE ISSUE.
YOUNG MAN, IS NOT THE PLACE OR
TIME TO DO THIS.
THEY SAY COME BACK AT A LATER
DATE, THAT MEANS THEY DON’T WANT
TO HAPPEN.
TO HAPPEN. IT’S A GAME THEY PLAY APPEAR TO
DELAY THINGS SO WE DON’T GET
REFORM.
REFORM. LOU: WILL BE GET THIS REFORM
THIS TIME?
THIS TIME? I CAN’T IMAGINE TOO MANY PEOPLE
SUCCESSFULLY STANDING I GOT IT
AGAINST IT.
AGAINST IT. >> TYPICALLY PRESIDENTIAL POWER
IS PROTECTED BY ALL PRESIDENTS
OF BOTH PARTIES, CONGRESS TRIES
TO TAKE SOME OF THE POWER BACK
FOR THE PEOPLE BUT HERE WE HAVE
A PRESIDENT WHO’S BEEN ABUSED BY
EXECUTIVE POWER OF THE PREVIOUS
PRESIDENT AND HE SEES CLEARLY
THAT THIS HOUR CAN BE ABUSIVELY
USED SO NO, I DON’T THINK
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS WEAK ON THIS
ISSUE.
ISSUE. I DON’T THINK HE’S PULLING
PUNCHES.
PUNCHES. HE WANTS REAL REFORM, HE TOLD
HIM THAT AND THE PEOPLE WHO
PUSHED BACK, HE SAID I TELL
PEOPLE EVERY NIGHT THESE
RALLIES, I’M GOING TO FIX THIS
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM. LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO ME.
I’M GOING TO FIX THIS PROBLEM.
HE SAYS WE CAN’T GO OUT TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND SAY WELL, WE
JUST REAUTHORIZED IT.
OR THEY THINK OF US?
THE PRESIDENT NO SPACE HAS TO BE
FIXED, HE FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT
IT.
IT. I FEEL STRONGLY, MIKE AND JIM
JORDAN AND OTHER REFORMERS, WE
ALL FEEL STRONGLY.
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.
WE’LL SEEK BUT I THINK NOTHING
IS GOING TO BE PASSED WITHOUT
REAL REFORM.
REAL REFORM. LOU: THAT IS GREAT NEWS YOU
BRING US FROM THAT MEETING.
I WANT TO TURN QUICKLY TO
LINDSEY GRAHAM, HE’S BEEN
PROMISING THERE WOULD BE
INVESTIGATION, HE WOULD
INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS.
WE SEEN NOTHING BUT STATEMENT
FROM HIM AND WE’VE HEARD NOTHING
BUT REMARKS FROM HIM.
SOMETIMES THEY DON’T ALL LINE
UP.
UP. AT THIS.
AT THIS. >> , 13 MONTHS AND, HE’S DONE
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. TO CARRY OUT THAT INVESTIGATION.
WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND WHAT
IT’S FAILED TO DO?
>> I THINK HIS OPINION IS HE’S
LETTING THE INVESTIGATORS DO
THIS.
THIS. I THINK THERE’S A PLACE FOR
PUBLIC HEARINGS BECAUSE I DON’T
KNOW HIM, HE MAY WELL DO A
COMPLETE JOB.
COMPLETE JOB. WE MAY HAVE PEOPLE BROUGHT TO
JUSTICE FOR LYING TO THE COURT,
ALL OF THESE WORDS THEY GOT ON
THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN WERE
BUILT UPON A HOUSE OF LIES,
SOMEONE OUGHT TO BE PUNISHED FOR
THAT.
THAT. I THINK WE COULD USE THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE BUT I DON’T
KNOW THAT WE ARE NECESSARILY
GOING TO.
GOING TO. YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT
UNTIL THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
DOESN’T.
DOESN’T. I’M NOT A FAN OF THE GOVERNMENT
INVESTIGATING ITSELF.
INVESTIGATING ITSELF. WE KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED THAT
THE PEOPLE WHO ABUSE THE SYSTEM
WILL BE PUNISHED BUT I DON’T
THINK THERE’S ANY GUARANTEE OF
THAT.
THAT. LOU: NO GUARANTEE.
I HAVE TO COMPLEMENT FOR
PUTTING, SEEKING THE FIRST
SUBPOENA TIED TO THE BURISMA.
HE’S ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO
SOMETHING.
SOMETHING. I SUPPORT HIM ON THAT.
>> WE DON’T KNOW IF WE HAVE ALL
THE REPUBLICANS.
THE REPUBLICANS. LOOK AT THAT COMMITTEE AND THINK
ABOUT WHO YOU THINK MIGHT NOT
VOTE WITH US AND WE NEED TO LET
PEOPLE KNOW WHO THEY ARE BECAUSE
I WILL VOTE WITH SENATOR JOHNSON
AND SUBPOENA POWER BUT THERE ARE
SOME REPUBLICANS HANGING IN THE
PALLETS.
PALLETS. LOU: THOSE HANGING IN THE BALLOT
MAY BE ELEVATING THEMSELVES ON
THEIR OWN.
THEIR OWN. IT’S HARD, WE ARE GOING TO BE
PUTTING THEIR NAMES OUT, ALL WHO
RESIST ANY KIND OF EFFORT TO "DO
THE RIGHT THING" AND HOLD
ACCOUNTABLE THOSE WHO HAVE DONE
WRONG TO THIS COUNTRY AND THIS
PRESIDENT FOR YEARS NOW.