THIS SHOW NO MATTER WHAT. THERE’S ALWAYS GOOD NEWS
SOMEWHERE, AND WE THINK GOOD
NEWS RULES.
NEWS RULES. AND TODAY OUR GOOD NEWS COMES
FROM A VERY SPECIAL GUEST.
>> I’M OUT OF HERE.
>> HE COULDN’T HAVE GONE FAR
UNLESS HE CAN FLY.
CAN TARANTULAS FLY?
>> YOU’D BETTER CATCH THAT
SPIDER.
SPIDER. I’M NOT COMING BACK UNTIL YOU
DO.
DO. >> SARJ, I THINK I FOUND IT.
>> WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME
LIKE THAT?
LIKE THAT? IT’S ON MY HEAD.
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. >> HE’S THE NEWEST HOST OF
"AMERICA’S GOT TALENT", AND HE’S
AN OUTSPOKEN ADVOCATE ABOUT
WOMEN’S RIGHTS AND CHANGING HOW
WE TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS TO BE A
MAN.
MAN. THE SUPER STAR TURNED ACTOR
TERRI CREWS JOINS ME NOW.
>> A NEW SEASON OF "BROOKLYN 99"
AND "AMERICA’S GOT TALENT".
WHAT ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT RIGHT
NOW?
NOW? >> MY WHOLE LIFE.
THESE SHOWS ARE PREMIERING ON
THE SAME WEEK.
WE WERE NUMBER ONE ON MONDAY
NIGHT.
NIGHT. AMERICA’S GOT TALENT, SUSAN
BOYLE, I WAS HOSTING FOR THE
FIRST TIME, AND NOW ON THURSDAY
EVENING "BROOKLYN 99" COMES
BACK.
BACK. WE WERE CANCELLED.
WE GOT PICKED UP BY NBC.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST WEEK OF MY
LIFE.
LIFE. I CALL IT TERRY WEEK.
IT’S INCREDIBLE.
IT’S INCREDIBLE. >> THESE SHOWS ARE ALSO
CELEBRATORY SHOWS.
CELEBRATORY SHOWS. WE TALK ABOUT HOW DIVIDED PEOPLE
ARE.
ARE. PARENTS ENJOY WATCHING THESE
SHOWS WITH KIDS.
WHEN WE SAY HOW ANGRY THE
COUNTRY IS, YOU’RE IN A HAPPY
PLACE.
PLACE. >> DEFINITELY.
>> DEFINITELY. ONE THING I ALWAYS HAD TO DO IS
REALLY SEPARATE -- YOU CAN’T BE
MAD AT PEOPLE.
I THINK THE BIG THING --
>> I GET PRETTY MAD AT MY
SISTER.
SISTER. >> BUT THIS IS WILD.
WHAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS
THAT THERE ARE NO EVIL PEOPLE.
THERE ARE EVIL MIND SETS.
YOU DO NOT BATTLE PEOPLE.
YOU BATTLE MIND SETS.
SO IT’S FUNNY.
IF SOMEONE CHANGES THEIR MIND
SET, INSTANTLY THEY’LL BE GOOD.
IT’S WILD.
IT’S WILD. WHEN YOU START BATTINGLING PEOPL
YOU GET INTO DETAILS.
YOU CAN’T CUT A TREE DOWN BY THE
LEAVES.
LEAVES. IF YOU DON’T DEAL WITH THE MIND
SET WHICH IS AT THE ROOT, STUFF
COMES BACK.
COMES BACK. I HAVE BEEN A PART OF A CRAZY
LIFE.
LIFE. I MEAN, WHEN I SAY -- PEOPLE
TALK ABOUT TOXIC MASCULINITY AND
THE WHOLE THING.
I WAS A VERY TOXIC MAN MYSELF.
I LOOK AT THIS WHOLE THING AS I
WAS GUILTY.
WAS GUILTY. I WAS GUILTY IN MANY WAYS.
I WROTE A BOOK ABOUT PRETTY MUCH
THAT WHOLE TOXIC MANHOOD THING
IN MY BOOK IN 2014 CALLED
"MANHOOD ".
"MANHOOD ". IT EXPOSED AND SHARED A LOT OF
THINGS.
THINGS. THE WORLD WASN’T READY FOR IT.
EVEN MY OWN PUBLISHER WAS LIKE
REALLY?
REALLY? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK
ABOUT?
ABOUT? I WAS LIKE OH, MY GOD, AND THEN
2017 HAPPENED, AND PEOPLE
STARTED TO REALIZE WHOA, WAIT A
MINUTE.
MINUTE. AND YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND.
THE WHOLE THING IS LIKE A CULT.
MASCULINITY CAN BE A CULT.
PEOPLE ARE LIKE WELL, WHY ARE
THEY NOT UNDERSTANDING? WHY
DON’T THEY SEE THEY’RE DOING
THINGS WRONG?
THINGS WRONG? IN A CULT IT’S DIFFERENT.
YOU DON’T HEAR WHAT’S HAPPENING.
YOU HAVE BEEN SUCKED IN AND
YOU’RE TOTALLY INTO THE GROUP
THING AND YOU DON’T EVEN THINK
AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
WHEN SOMEONE SAYS YOU’RE HURTING
ME, YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND IT.
>> TERRY, YOU DIDN’T CHOOSE THAT
MIND SET OR DECIDE TO BECOME
TOXIC.
TOXIC. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU’RE
SEEING A REAL CHALLENGE IN HOW
WE RAISE OUR BOYS AND WHAT
MASCULINITY LOOKS LIKE.
I WAS MENTIONING IT TO YOU
BEFORE.
BEFORE. I WENT TO SEE A SCHOOL WITH MY
CHILDREN, AND THE PERSON GIVING
THE TOUR SAID AND THIS IS WHERE
THE GIRLS PRACTICE CHORUS AND
THIS IS WHERE THE BOYS PLAY
SOCCER.
SOCCER. I THOUGHT WHAT?
AND SUDDENLY WE’RE STARTING TO
REALIZE THE MESSAGE WE’RE
SENDING OUR BOYS IS MAKING THEM
BOTTLE UP WHO THEY ARE.
AND IT’S NOT YOU’RE GAY, YOU’RE
STRAIGHT.
STRAIGHT. WHY CAN’T BOYS EXPRESS
THEMSELVES?
THEMSELVES? DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WERE IN A
POSITION WHERE YOU HAD TO MAN
UP, AND IS THIS A MOMENT TO
CHANGE IT?
CHANGE IT? >> YES.
>> YES. THIS IS ANOTHER THING WE HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND.
UNDERSTAND. IN AMERICA IT’S ABOUT
NARRATIVES.
NARRATIVES. WE LIVE ON ENTERTAINMENT,
MOVIES, STORIES, A WHOLE THING
ABOUT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD A
STORY.
STORY. AS A MAN YOUR NARRATIVE, YOU
LIVE IN AN ACTION MOVIE.
EVERY MAN IS HIS OWN ACTION
MOVIE.
MOVIE. AS A BOY YOU’RE TOLD THIS IS THE
STORY.
STORY. THIS IS HOW IT IS.
IN THAT ACTION MOVIE, YOU’RE
INVINCIBLE.
INVINCIBLE. IN THAT ACTION MOVIE, YOU GET
ALL THE GIRLS.
IN THAT ACTION MOVIE YOU HAVE TO
BE TOUGH AND EMOTIONLESS.
THE PROBLEM IS NONE OF THAT IS
REAL.
REAL. NONE OF IT.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY. WHILE WE’RE TRYING IN A WAY TO
SAY LET’S GET AWAY FROM THE
TOXIC MASCULINITY, THERE’S THIS
OTHER NARRATIVE THAT I ACTUALLY
THINK IS A FALSE NARRATIVE OUT
THERE.
THERE. WELL, THERE’S A WAR OUT THERE ON
MEN.
MEN. MEN ARE UNDER ATTACK.
I DON’T BELIEVE MEN ARE UNDER
ATTACK.
ATTACK. >> NO.
>> NO. >> THE DOOR IS OPEN FOR MEN TO
BE MORE.
BE MORE. >> WHAT HAPPENS IS -- I SAID
THIS BEFORE.
THIS BEFORE. YOU CANNOT LOVE SOMEONE AND
CONTROL THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
IF YOU ARE TRYING TO CONTROL
PEOPLE, OF COURSE YOU’RE GOING
TO FEEL LIKE THEY’RE UNDER
ATTACK.
ATTACK. PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO BE
CONTROLLED.
CONTROLLED. AND THAT’S WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
THIS MIND SET OF MASCULINITY,
THE CULT OF MASCULINITY, IT’S
ABOUT CONTROLLING PEOPLE.
YOU’RE TOLD AS A KID DOMINATE.
CONTROL.
CONTROL. IF PEOPLE -- LET ME TELL YOU
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE
IF EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM IS NOT
UNCOMFORTABLE, WE’RE NOT
WORKING.
WORKING. THAT’S THE MIND SET, THE JOB IS
ALREADY HARD ENOUGH.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GET OTHER
THINGS TACKED ON WHERE YOUR BOSS
HAS TO MAKE YOU FEEL
UNCOMFORTABLE IN ORDER TO FEEL
LIKE YOU’RE DOING A JOB.
BUT THAT’S CONTROL.
IT’S NOT LOVE.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE TO -- WHEN YOU
LOVE YOUR EMPLOYEES.
WHEN YOU LOVE YOUR PEOPLE.
I LOVE THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH ON
"BROOKLYN 99".
"BROOKLYN 99". IT’S ALL WONDERFUL.
YOU DON’T HAVE TO FEEL UPSET.
WHAT’S HAPPENING, YOU’RE TRYING
TO CONTROL EVERYBODY AND THEY’RE
RESISTING YOU.
RESISTING YOU. >> IF YOU LEAD WITH LOVE AND
CREATE A POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT
AROUND YOU, YOU’RE GOING TO
SOFTEN ALL THE SHARP EDGES.
I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT
SOMETHING THAT IS A BIT TOUGH.
R KELLY.
R KELLY. YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, 2018
HAPPENED, ME TOO, IT’S AMAZING
TO ME THE SERIES CAME OUT LAST
WEEK WITH SO MANY ACCUSERS
AGAINST R. KELLY ACCUSEING HIM O
SEXUAL ABUSE FOR YEARS.
WHAT AMAZED ME IS IMMEDIATELY
AFTER HIS MUSIC SALES WENT UP.
I MEAN, THAT’S AMAZING.
WITH ALL THE STRUGGLING ARTISTS
OUT THERE, PEOPLE ARE SAYING I
WANT TO DOUBLE DOWN ON R. KELLY,
BUT HE’S DENYING IT ALL.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. AGAIN, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT
CUTTING THE TREE DOWN BY THE
LEAVES.
LEAVES. THE DANGEROUS THING IS LET’S GET
RID OF R. KEL HELY, AND WHEN HE’
GONE, EVERYBODY SAYS PROBLEM IS
OVER, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE
MIND SET IS STILL THERE.
THE WHOLE THING -- IT’S LIKE --
YOU KNOW WITH THE TITANIC, YOU
CAN’T PUT IT IN REVERSE.
IT TAKES A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE
TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND WHAT’S HAPPENED IS IT’S
LIKE -- PEOPLE WANT TO BLAME ONE
PERSON FOR SINKING THE TITANIC.
IT WAS A HOST OF A BUNCH OF
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. >> BUT HE’S NOT JUST ONE PERSON.
HE’S A FAMOUS PERSON THAT GETS
RICHER AND MORE FAMOUS WITH
PUBLIC SUPPORT.
PUBLIC SUPPORT. ZBH.
ZBH. >> BUT THAT’S FALSE.
IS HE REALLY RICH?
NO.
NO. YOU CAN GIVE R. KELLY ALL THE
MONEY -- ALL THE MONEY IN THE
WORLD AND ALL OF A SUDEN
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT, HE’S GOING
TO END UP IN JAIL.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS, AND THE MORE
HE’S EXPOSED, THE MORE THIS
STUFF COMES OUT, THE LESS HE
HAS.
HAS. I’M TRYING TO TELL YOU WE’RE
GOING TO GET RID OF HIM.
BILL COSBY IS GONE.
WEINSTEIN IS GONE, BUT THE BIG
THING IS THE MIND SET HAS TO GO.
THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO
STILL SUPPORT THEM AND ARE
GETTING AWAY WITH ALL THE STUFF
HE WAS DOING.
THEY WERE THERE.
THERE WAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT
WERE ALLOWING HIM TO DO THIS
KIND OF STUFF.
AND THAT IS THE THING I’M
ATTACKING.
ATTACKING. IT’S LIKE HEY, MAN, MEN MUST
HOLD OTHER MEN ACCOUNTABLE,
PERIOD.
PERIOD. IF YOU DON’T GO UP TO A GUY
MESSING UP AND SAY HEY, MAN, WE
DON’T DO THAT, STOP THAT.
BUT PEOPLE LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
I WAS GUILTY.
I REMEMBER LOOKING THE OTHER
WAY.
WAY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
>> YOU LOOKED THE OTHER WAY
BECAUSE THAT WAS THE
ENVIRONMENT.
ENVIRONMENT. YOU DIDN’T THINK YOU COULD
CHANGE IT.
CHANGE IT. >> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. >> IF WE TRUST MORE, LOVE MORE
AND CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE AROUND
US, I TRULY THINK THE WORLD CAN
GET BETTER.