AND THEY LOOKED FOR THEIR EVENT
TO BE HELD AT TRUMP DORAL IN
FLORIDA THIS FRIDAY.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE, SIR.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> THERE IS SO MANY PROBLEMS
HERE.
AS I STIPULATED IN ALL OF OUR
COVERAGE AND AGAIN TONIGHT MR.
GAETZ DENIES ALL THE ALLEGATIONS
AND HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH A
CRIME.
YET, ALL THESE PEOPLE AROUND HIM
WHO KNOW HIM AND THESE OTHER
REPUBLICANS IN TRUMP WORLD ARE
BAILING ON HIM.
WHAT DO YOU SEE HERE?
>> IT SEEMS LIKE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE INVESTIGATION MEANS
SOMETHING DIFFERENT WHEN YOU
DON’T HAVE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
ON HIS OWN LEASH, RIGHT?
SUDDENLY, A DOJ INVESTIGATION
CARRIES MORE TEETH.
I THINK THAT’S WHAT WE’RE
SEEING.
I THINK ONE THING THAT PEOPLE
HAVE MISSED OVER BECAUSE, LOOK,
MATT GAETZ FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE
ON THE LEFT, HE’S A PUNCH LINE,
HE’S A GUY PEOPLE ON THE LEFT
LIKE TO DISLIKE.
WHAT’S BEEN MISSED IS THERE HAS
ALREADY BEEN AN INDICTMENT HERE
FOR JOEL GREENBERG.
THIS INVESTIGATION FROM GAETZ IS
SPINNING OFF FROM THAT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REAL
TEETH OF THIS INVESTIGATION IT
CERTAINLY DOESN’T STACK UP WELL
FOR MATT GAETZ.
YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, INNOCENT
UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
IT DOESN’T LOOK GREAT FOR GAETZ
RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN YOU ARE IN A SITUATION
WHERE THERE IS ALL THIS OTHER
KIND OF UNTOWARD BEHAVIOR THAT’S
COMING OUT AND ALL THESE LEAKS
THAT ARE COMING OUT.
IT SUGGESTS THAT THIS IS A GUY
THAT, EVEN IF THE TRUMP WORLD
WAS WILLING TO DEFEND HIM WHEN
HE WAS USEFUL FOR THEM, THEY
KNEW HE HAD SOME THINGS ABOUT
HIM.
TURNS OUT YOU CAN’T GET THE
TRUMP PROTECTION UNLESS YOU
MARRY INTO THE FAMILY.
YOU HAVE TO MARRY INTO THE
FAMILY TO GET THE FULL
PROTECTION OF TRUMP WORLD.
HE’S NOT PART OF THE FAMILY,
WHICH MEANS HE CAN BE CAST ASIDE
THE MINUTE HE CAUSES THEM
TROUBLE, AND THIS IS THAT MINUTE
FOR THEM.
>> YEAH.
HE’S CERTAINLY NOT GETTING THAT
PROTECTION.
AS FOR WHAT HE’S SAYING IN
PUBLIC, HE’S ALWAYS BEEN A
SOMEWHAT EXTREME AND BAR ROEK
FIGURE EVEN IN AMERICA 2017 TO
2020, A PERIOD OF AMERICAN LIFE
THAT I’M SURE WILL BE STUDIED IN
ALL SORTS OF WAYS.
BUT EXTREME EVEN BY THAT
MEASURE.
NEAL KATYAL JOINED US AND SAID,
WHATEVER YOU THINK OF MATT
GAETZ, ANY DECENT LAWYER WOULD
BE TELLING HIM NOT TO BE DOING
THE TUCKER INTERVIEW.
I’M CURIOUS AFTER YOUR VIEW ON
THE INTERSECTION OF LAW AND
POLITICS.
SOMETIMES YOU BREAK WITH THE
LEGAL ADVICE TO GET THE PUBLIC
PR BENEFIT.
THAT’S KIND OF A BET, IF YOU
WILL.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU BREAK WITH
THE LEGAL ADVICE AND THE PR IS
BOOMERANGING ON YOU AND YOU
PLAYED YOURSELF AND TUCKER IS
TELLING HIS OWN AUDIENCE, THAT
WAS WEIRD.
THAT WAS A PROBLEM.
>> WE’RE GOING TO SEE THIS A LOT
FOR THE NEXT BIT OF AMERICAN
LIFE.
WHAT WE’RE SEEING IS PEOPLE
TRYING TO RUN THE TRUMP DEFENSE
WITHOUT BEING DONALD TRUMP,
RIGHT?
WE’RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF
POLITICIANS WHO ARE ACCUSED OF
SORTED BEHAVIOR.
TRUMP HAS BEEN ACCUSED BY 25
WOMEN OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.
HE HAS BRUSHED IT ALL OFF WITH
BLUSTER AND RIDICULOUS
INTERVIEWS, RIGHT?
EVERY POLITICIAN ACCUSED IS
GOING TO TRY SOME VERSION OF THE
SAME STRATEGY, RIGHT?
AND WE DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S
GOING TO WORK FOR ANYBODY ELSE
OTHER THAN DONALD TRUMP.
IF IT DOESN’T WORK FOR YOU, IF
YOU TRY THE TRUMP STRATEGY AND
IT DOESN’T WORK FOR YOU, THE
RESULT IS JAIL.
RIGHT?
IT’S A ONE WAY STREET THERE,
RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
>> IF YOU TRY TO BLOW OFF
PROSECUTORS AND KEEP RUNNING
YOUR MOUTH AGAINST THE ADVICE OF
COUNSEL AND KEEP PUTTING
YOURSELF IN LEGAL JEOPARDY AND
IT DOESN’T WORK, THE RESULT IS
JEOPARDY.
THE RESULT IS JAIL.
THE RESULT IS BAD THINGS
HAPPENING TO YOU.
AND THAT’S THE DYE THAT GAETZ IS
CASTING.
THAT’S THE DYE WE WILL SEE
UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF
POLITICIANS CAST AS THEY GO
TRUMP-LIKE TO GET THEMSELVES OUT
OF PROBLEMS.
>> HAVE YOU SEEN "DARK KNIGHT"?
>> I HAVE INDEED.
SUCCESS HAS ALREADY DEFEATED ME.
I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU.
>> WELL, IT’S ONE OF OUR
FAVORITES AROUND HERE.
AND TO PUT A TWIST ON IT, I’M
REMINDED OF WHEN THE BATMAN COPY
CATS WHO ARE OPPOSED BY BATMAN
AND THE JOKER FOR DIFFERENT
REASONS, WANT TO BE LIKE HIM AND
THEN THEY EVEN ASK HIM AFTER
THEY FAIL TO SIMULATE HIM IN THE
CRIME BUSTING SCENE, WHAT’S THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND YOU?
AND HE MEMORABLY SAYS, I’M NOT
WEARING HOCKEY PANTS.
>> I’M NOT WEARING HOCKEY PANTS.
>> THERE IT IS.
THERE IT IS.
>> THAT’S BRILLIANT.
>> THAT’S IT.
IF IT WERE FALLBACK FRIDAY, I
WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IT IN YOUR
"DARK KNIGHT" VOICE.
BUT I’M NOT WEARING HOCKEY
PANTS.
WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT,
IT IS A LEGAL FACT.
DONALD TRUMP DID GET AWAY
LEGALLY WITH SOME THINGS THAT
OTHER PEOPLE DIDN’T.
BUT WHEN YOU POINT OUT OUT, IT
IS IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING AND
MAYBE YOU ARE INADVERTENTLY
GIVING SOUND, LEGAL FRAME WORK
TO THESE FOLKS WHICH IS THE FACT
THAT ONE GUY IN THIS PARTICULAR
SITUATION GOT AWAY WITH SO MUCH
DOES NOT MEAN THAT’S USUALLY
GOING TO WORK FOR YOU.
>> EXACTLY, ARI.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS IS SPINNING
OFF OF AN INVESTIGATION OF A MAN
WHO WAS ALREADY UNDER INDICTMENT
WHO, FOR ALL WE KNOW, AS HIS
TRIAL GETS GOING WE’LL SING.
TRUMP HAD THE AMAZING, I WOULD
SAY, GOOD FORTUNE THAT NONE OF
HIS ALLEGED ACCOMPLICES EVER
SEEMED TO FLIP ON HIM.
PAUL MANAFORT TOOK THE WEIGHT.
MICHAEL FLYNN TOOK THE WEIGHT TO
NEVER TURN ON TRUMP.
ONLY MICHAEL COHEN EVENTUALLY
WAS COMPELLED TO TELL WHAT I
BELIEVE WAS THE TRUTH.
HE WAS THE ONE THAT DIDN’T GET A
PARDON, BY THE WAY.
DOES GAETZ HAVE THE SAME KIND OF
PULL WITH HIS POTENTIAL
ACCOMPLICES THAT THEY’RE NEVER
GOING TO FLIP ON HIM?
DOES HE THINK THAT?
THESE ARE THE KINDS OF -- WE’RE
BACK INTO A WORLD WHERE TRUMP
DENIED GRAVITY FOR SO LONG.
WE’RE BACK INTO A WORLD WHERE
GRAVITY ALWAYS WINS.
>> GRAVITY IS BACK.
>> AND THAT’S WHAT --
>> GRAVITY IS BACK.
THAT’S FAIR.
>> THAT’S THE WORD NOW, GRAVITY
IS BACK.
>> YOU TIE IT ALL TOGETHER WELL.
GRAVITY IS BACK.
YOU REMINDED EVERYONE THAT THE
PEOPLE WHO KNEW THE MOST
ACCORDING TO THE MUELLER REPORT,
WHICH I READ MORE THAN ONCE,
WERE STONE AND MANAFORT, AND
THEY SAID THE LEAST.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO SAID THE MOST
MAY HAVE KNOWN THE LEAST AROUND
THOSE UNDERLYING ALLEGATIONS.
MUELLER CLEARLY SHOWED IT RIGHT
AT THE CORE OF A POTENTIAL
COLLUSION, STONE IS ON THE
PHONE.
MANAFORT HAS GOT THIS MONEY
DEAL.
AND THEY REALLY DID CARRY THE