it's been interesting what you were saying before about debt like i was in
like a lot of college debt and then my grandmother died and like she helped me with that it was a
little bit it was just like what the last 10 000 bucks or something i was like okay cool thanks
grandma uh but really up until like two years ago i was always in a state of constant like huge
credit card debt like i took one freaking trip to italy in like 2013 and i had i was paying for it
literally up until like two years ago like maybe maybe maybe one year ago maybe it was
like i got out of debt during the pandemic because i was like home not buying [ __ ] um
and it's and it's strange and now my whole mentality has shifted and i also
grew up in a home where like i wasn't going hungry but like i also wasn't like getting
most of the [ __ ] that i wanted it was a lot of hand-me-downs it was a lot of money doesn't grow
on trees chrissy and i'd be like dad you're a landscaper it's literally what you do um so
uh i get that even the thing that you said about italy like i remember taking a trip to europe
in like i think it was between high school and college or something and i put it on some credit
cards or was it in college i remember exactly what you just put on credit cards it's no big
deal i was paying it forever i remember and it was just like these things just they follow
you and you can never really be free if you're like financially dependent you're just you're
chasing paycheck after people you can't focus your energies and things you want to focus them on or
things that may be more productive or maybe more in line with what you want to pursue you're just
kind of stuck in this rut um and it it it does you know make people uh a lot more compliant i
mean they're just they're just trying to like a little scared you're scared of your own bills
if you're growing up in a family that promotes this like lack mentality but also you have social
media and you have the culture pushing the splurge mentality pushing this you deserve
you deserve it girl don't settle you do you self-care right um it's pushing it's like
you're at odds with yourself and at no point is anybody saying living like i think gary vee is the
first person i sort of sort of like popularize like making living living within your means
like sexy you know like making living with within your means cool again um and so it's like we have
these people growing up in like these you know families and you feel kind of broke and then you
work you have money you spend it all right away on a trip and it's like man i took that trip with
my freaking alcoholic boyfriend and i was the whole time i was in italy i was worried about i
can't drink any wine i don't want to trigger him i had one glass of wine the whole [ __ ] time i
was in italy that still bugs me i missed out on so much good wine and i was paying for it
until just a couple years ago but the point is is that now that i'm out of credit card debt um
it's like this amazing switch happened where now i don't want to buy meaningless
[ __ ] i want to hoard my resources i want to like spend as little as i can
um it's so different like once you're once you're out of debt your whole life changes it's like it
oh yeah and you're saying you're you're building for a future you're not just spending in the now i
mean they they that's why you know they do promote the kind of culture where people are just you know
keeping up with the joneses and just spending you know money like it's going out of style because
like saving culture is boring culture like if you're if you're saving money slowly to eventually
you know buy a house and then you're even more independent or to start a business and
then you're super more independent you know they don't want to promote that they want to
promote the people who are just you know living in the moment spending and yeah it may be fun
but then you end up you know still being in the same position where you're always constantly
you know a paycheck or three behind and you're constantly just you know just struggling to get
by but they don't want to teach that it takes time and you have to have patience you have to save
and you should you know save for the better times and you know build financial independence i mean
that's what they don't want and that comes only through saving so you can have your own property
have your own business have your own sources of income um but they just want to promote the you
know the the the instagram lifestyle that's never really you know true to begin with it's all just
filters and bs but that keeps people that keeps people running on the uh on the hamster wheel
and like when you're a chick like men don't care how recent your shoes and clothes are like like i
just i remember my 20s i was like inundated with this like oh i have to constantly be like buying
new [ __ ] it's like just find what looks good on you stick with that buy a few like uniforms like
so so to speak or like signature freaking outfits and then have your look and then go on with your
life you know like yeah yeah i mean i think it's i think it's just a you know there's just a lack
of i think it comes back to we were talking earlier just like this lack of authenticity
i guess in society and it it's all part of kind of more more most people just want to
default to going uh with the flow and not making waves and just you know going along to get along
and doing what the group does and i think you know corporations realize that the state realizes that
and they use it to their advantage i think that's always going to be a problem
uh in most human society uh i think there was a period in time where that was you know
definitely lessened um but western civilization has definitely taken a turn from the worst in
recent years so we're not we're not there anymore and the individualistic spirit that
kind of founded the country is also kind of gone um and now it's really just a consumerist kind
of conformist society so we're we're in a we're shifting and we're shifting in a bad way and it
plays out in all these things whether it's how we do with covert or how we do with credit card debt