DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. THE NEW FEDERAL COURTHOUSE ON THE WAY. BUT THANK YOU, BILLY. AND OF
COURSE, WE’LL CHECK IN WITH YOU
AGAIN TONIGHT ON THE NIGHTBEAT
AT 10. I WANT TO GET TO WORK.
UNA NOW.
>> YEAH, THAT SCENE RIGHT THERE
JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU HOW MUCH
PASSION SURROUNDS THIS VERY
ISSUE. IT’S A SIMILAR SCENE
PLAYING OUT REALLY ACROSS THE
COUNTRY AS ALL OF THESE
QUESTIONS LOOM ABOUT WHAT IS
GOING TO HAPPEN IF AND WHEN
THIS RULING COMES DOWN. ONE OF
THOSE BEING, WHAT CAN WE SEE
THE EFFECT ON POLITICS? BE?
YEAH. AND POLITICAL SCIENCE
PROFESSOR FROM UTSA, THE CHAIR
OF THE POLITICAL SCIENCE OF
GEOGRAPHY DEPARTMENT. JOHN
TAYLOR JOINS US.
>> ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HAVE
YOU WITH US. TALK ABOUT.
HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT
HAPPENED LAST NIGHT WITH THIS
POLITICAL LEAK OF THIS DRAFT
COPY.
>> HAD TO SAY I WAS WHAT I WAS
CHECKING MY TWITTER FEED LAST
OUR MARRIAGE. I SAID HOLY
CRAFT. MY WIFE WAS LIKE WHAT’S
WRONG AND SAID YOU’RE NOT GOING
TO BELIEVE THIS IS LIGHT WAS
LIT. I MEAN, IT’S HAD A
I JUST A BOMB LIKE EFFECT ON
POLITICS IN THE LAST 24 HOURS.
>> AND JUST THIS MONTH, YOU
KNOW, WE ARE JUST WERE TALKING
A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT HOW
WE HAVE.
A BIG RUN OFF IN OUR AREA.
WE’VE GOT ELECTIONS UNDERWAY
RIGHT NOW. SO LET’S START WITH
THE RACES THAT YOU SEE. I’M
REALLY FEELING THE MOST EFFECT
FROM THIS DECISION IF AND WHEN
WE DO SEE THESE DETAILS COME
OUT FROM THE SUPREME COURT
OFFICIALLY?
>> WELL, I THINK WE’RE GOING
TO SEE AN IMPACT. DEFINITELY
NC. 28, WHICH WE ARE. WE ARE
AND JESSICA CISNEROS SNOW HAS
BEEN PUSHING REALLY HARD
REGARDING ABORTION ALREADY.
WE’VE SEEN TONS OF ADS. THE
AIR WAR PARTICULAR HAS BEEN
TALKING ABOUT THAT. AND THEN WE
LOOK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S
RACE, BOTH THE DEMOCRATIC AND
REPUBLICAN PARTY RUNOFFS, THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY. IT WAS A LOT
OF DISCUSSION JUST LAST FOR
5 HOURS OR SO BETWEEN THE 2
CANDIDATES ABOUT ABOUT THE
SHIP, PROTECTING A WOMAN’S
RIGHT TO CHOOSE ALL THAT SORT
OF STUFF. REPUBLICAN SIDE.
YOU’VE GOT KEN PAXTON, WHO’S
THE GUY WHO ACTUALLY
LED LITIGATION AND ACTUALLY
DEFENDED TEXAS AND THE SUPREME
PLACES. YOU’VE GOT GEORGE P
BUSH WAS IT ACTUALLY WENT TO
WASHINGTON D DAY WAS STANDING
IN FRONT OF THE SUPREME THEY
CAME UP WITH THE PRO-LIFE SIDE
TO IT. ABSOLUTELY. I’M GOING
TO IMPACT THOSE RACES. AND WHEN
I TALK ABOUT THEM ALL YET,
THERE ARE WORKERS ALREADY
CALLED FOR A RALLY IN HOUSTON
THIS WEEKEND. SURPRISINGLY,
THE GOVERNOR HAS NOT SAID A
THING YET, ALTHOUGH I’M SURE
THAT’S COMING SOON TO TELL THE
GOVERNOR HAS BEEN A THING.
GOVERNOR.
>> YEAH, THAT WAS I THOUGHT
THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING TODAY
THAT WE DID NOT HEAR FROM
GOVERNOR ABBOTT IN A REACTION.
YOU KNOW, THE LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR EMBRACING IF THIS IS
ACTUALLY TRUE AND WHAT THE
SUPREME COURT WANTED TO DO.
A BRACING THAT THAT RULING AND
THE JESSICA CISNEROS HENRY
CLAY, OUR RACE. I MEAN, SHE
WAS RUNNING THESE ADS AGAINST
QUAY ARE WITH ABORTION BEING AT
THE CENTER ISSUE EVEN BEFORE
THIS RULING CAME OUT. SO SHE’S
KIND OF DOUBLING DOWN ON THAT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE
IMPLICATIONS ARE NATIONWIDE?
I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT
OF PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT 2022 WAS
GOING TO BE A VERY BAD YEAR
FOR DEMOCRATS. DOES THIS CHANGE
THAT LANDSCAPE AT ALL? IS THIS
A POWERFUL ENOUGH ISSUE TO
DRIVE PEOPLE TO THE POLLS THAT
MAYBE WE’RE GOING TO BE THERE
BEFORE.
>> I THINK IT’S A WAKE-UP CALL
TO DEMOCRATS IN PARTICULAR, THE
DEMOCRATS, ESPECIALLY INTO AN
ELECTION YEAR AND MAY HAVE BEEN
COMPLACENT THAT THEY’RE EVEN
IT’S GOING TO BE A BAD YEAR FOR
US BY HIS, YOU KNOW, NOT VERY
GOOD APPROVAL RATINGS AND SUCH.
THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU’VE GOT
THIS ISSUE, WHICH IS A KEY
ISSUE IN THE OF DEMOCRATIC
PARTY POLITICS.
YOU’VE GOT TO THINK THAT IS
GOING TO ENERGIZE VOTERS,
PARTICULARLY YOUNGER VOTERS
WILL REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS
ISSUE IF THEY CAN’T GET THEM TO
THE POLLS ON THIS, THEY’RE
HOPELESS FOR 22. AND EVEN IN
THE 24.
>> AND THAT’S A GOOD POINT.
I MEAN, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW
WE’RE NOT EVEN TO THE FALL YET.
WELL, WE’RE NOT EVEN TO 2024
YET MUCH LESS. 23, BUT ALREADY
THERE’S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS
COULD MEAN FOR THE
PRESIDENTIAL RACE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. YOU’RE TALKING
NOW ABOUT OR SHOULD BE FRONT
AND CENTER WHEN CANDIDATES ARE
TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL
APPOINTEES, SUPREME COURT
FUTURE POINTING TO THE SUPREME
COURT, YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
WHAT THE PRESIDENT MAY OR MAY
NOT DO IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING
ABORTION RIGHTS. RIGHT NOW YOU
HAVE A BILL THAT’S BEEN PASSED
BY THE HOUSE BUT IS MIRED IN
THE SENATE. THE THREAT OF A
FILIBUSTER BY SEN MANCHIN OF
WEST VIRGINIA. THAT LIKELY
MEANS THAT ANY ATTEMPT BY
DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW TO TRY TO
CALL THE FOR THE SITUATION IS
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME.
IF IF THE SUPREME COURT RULES
AS WE THINK THAT DAY, THEY’RE
GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IN
THE 24 ELECTION ABOUT. ARE YOU
GOING TO SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT
SUCH A LAW THAT BASICALLY TURNS
IN TERMS OF SUPREME COURT
DECISIONS, BY THE WAY, IS NOT
EASY TO DO TO BEGIN WITH YOU AS
IT TAKES ANOTHER SUPREME COURT
DECISION OR CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENT.
>> THERE ARE THERE ARE I
OBVIOUSLY YOU GET ON SOCIAL
MEDIA. THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE TRYING TO
PROGNOSTICATING EXACTLY WHAT
THIS MEANS. BUT IF WE IF WE
JUST LOOK AT THAT, TEXAS AND
EVEN CLOSER, WE LOOK JUST AT
OUR KSAT VIEWING AREA AND SAN
ANTONIO. DOES THIS HAVE
IMPLICATIONS FOR THE STATE
HOUSE RACE THAT THAT THAT’S THE
SEAT THAT LYLE LARSON IS
LEAVING BEHIND. DOES IT HAVE
IMPLICATIONS FOR THE TONY RACE
IN SOUTH TEXAS DEAD. AND WE’VE
ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE CHOIR
CISNEROS THING DOESN’T EVEN GO
DOWN AS FAR AS THE COUNTY JUDGE
RACE. I MEAN, DO YOU THINK
THAT’S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE IN
THAT RACE?
>> NOT SURE. THE COUNTY JUDGE
RACE, BUT I WOULD SAY STATE
HOUSE AND STATE SENATE SEATS.
I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE
THIS IS AN ISSUE PLAY OUT,
ESPECIALLY IN THOSE SEATS IN
SAN ANTONIO WHERE WE HAVE
RELATIVELY RELATIVELY EITHER AS
A COMPETITIVE RACE. AND ONE IN
WHICH YOU’VE GOT AN INCUMBENT
IS LEAVING THEIR FORTUNE OPEN
SEAT. NOW, THIS ISSUE WILL PLAY
ON BOTH SIDES. REPUBLICANS WILL
SAY, LOOK, IT’S ENERGIZING US
AS WELL AS PRO LIFERS. SO BOTH
SIDES MAY SEE AN UPTICK IN AN
AT LEAST IN VOTER TURNOUT AS A
RESULT. JUST THIS ONE ISSUE,
ALTHOUGH I SHOULD CAUTION,
USUALLY ONE ISSUE OR SHUN
DOESN’T ENERGIZE REPUBLICANS AS
MUCH AS ORDER ISSUES TO BUT OR
SHUN TENDS TO ENERGIZE
DEMOCRATS MORE SO WE’LL SEE HOW
IT PLAYS OUT TO THEM. AND WE
HAVE BOTH THOSE ISSUES TO TALK
ABOUT IN THE UPCOMING
ELECTIONS. IT BEFORE WE LET YOU
GO HERE, I WANT TO BE CLEAR,
MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY
UNDERSTANDS.
>> YOU HELPED US EXPLAINED THE
TRIGGER LAW THAT’S IN PLACE
RIGHT NOW IN TEXAS. SO IF THIS
RULING DOES COME DOWN
OFFICIALLY FROM THE SUPREME
COURT, THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT
BANNING ABORTIONS IN THIS
STATE. BUT ESSENTIALLY THIS
RULING, IF IT WERE TO COME TO
PASS, IT JUST LEAVES IT UP TO
STATES TO DECIDE HOW BILL
ASSESS ABORTION.
>> DIRECTED BASICALLY RETURNS
THAT THIS ACTUALLY OF
REGULATION OF ABORTION TO
STATES RIGHTS, STATES RIGHTS
AND STATE CONTROL. NOW, ONE CAN
SAY, WELL, THAT’S A VICTORY,
FEDERALES, MAYBE MAKE A BECAUSE
NOW YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT HOW
IT’S SPREAD OUT IN TERMS OF
STATES THAT DON’T HAVE OR DON’T
ALLOW THEIR SONS TO DO TEXAS.
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT WITH TEXAS
CITY IN THE TRIGGER. LOCK THOSE
INFECTIONS SUPREME COURT DOES
ITS THING NOW TALKING ABOUT
BUILDING A PERSON TO BE ABLE
TO GET AN ABORTION, THE TRAVEL
DISTANCE ON AVERAGE IS GOING TO
BE 600 MILES OR LITT TALKING
TO MEXICO, COLORADO.
JOHN TAYLOR, POLITICAL SCIENCE
PROFESSOR UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS,