WE’RE GOI >> WELCOME BACK TO "MORNING
JOE."
JOE." TELL US WHAT YOU FOUND IN
FLORIDA AS REMAINS IN THE
HISPANIC VOTES?
HISPANIC VOTES? >> OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A GROUP
THAT HISTORICALLY HAS NOT TURNED
OUT.
OUT. AND THE PROSPECT HAS BEEN
BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS USED
THE LANGUAGE HE HAS BOUGHT OF
HISPANICS AND HIS IMMIGRATION
POLICIES AND ALL OF THE WALL.
BUT THE DEMOCRATS DOWN THERE ARE
CERTAIN CONCERNED.
CERTAIN CONCERNED. YOUNG VOTERS JUST DON’T VOTE IN
MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
MIDTERM ELECTIONS. A QUARTER OF THE POPULATION IS
HISPANIC.
HISPANIC. IF THEY DON’T SHOW UP, THAT’S A
BIG PROBLEM.
BIG PROBLEM. >> DEMOCRATIC SENATOR JOHN
TESTER IN THE LEAD, A MONDAY
STATE UNIVERSITY BILLINGS POLL
CONDUCTED BY TELEPHONE FOUND
TESTER AHEAD 47% TO 38% AGAINST
STATE AUDITOR MATT ROSENDALE.
BUT IT’S A MUCH TIGHTER RACE IN
THE TELEVISION POLL.
IN THAT POLL, TESTER HAS A
THREE-POINT LEAD.
THREE-POINT LEAD. STEVE, WHICH ONE OF THESE TWO?
THIS IS A RACE PRESIDENT TRUMP
HAS LEANED ON HEAVILY.
>> WE DON’T SEE MANY POLLS LIKE
THAT SECOND ONE THAT YOU JUST
SHOWED.
SHOWED. THE FIRST ONE IS A MORE
TRADITIONAL MODEL.
TRADITIONAL MODEL. TESTER DOES APPEAR TO BE AHEAD
IN THIS RACE.
IT HAS A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR, IT
ELECTED MAX BACCHAS TO THE
SENATE FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.
THEY ALSO POLLED THE
CONGRESSIONAL RACE WHICH IS THE
ENTIRE STATE OF MONDAY.
ONE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT FOR
THE STATE.
THE STATE. THE ON THE EVE OF THAT SPECIAL
ELECTION, THEIR POLL HAS
GIANFORDI UP BY ONLY 46 POINTS.
WE TALK SO MUCH ABOUT SUBURBAN
DISTRICTS.
DISTRICTS. HERE IS A PLACE WHERE TRUMP WON
BY 20 POINTS AND THE REPUBLICAN
CONGRESSMAN FIGHTING FOR HIS
POLITICAL LIFE AND IT MAY HAVE
SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE
LINGERING CONTROVERSY OF WHAT
HAPPENED ON THAT EVE OF THAT
SPECIAL ELECTION.
SPECIAL ELECTION. >> AND YOU’VE GOT SOME OTHER
POLLS FROM THE STATE OF GEORGIA.
ONE OF THE STORIES IS HOW THE
STATE HAS BEEN CHANGING
DEMOGRAPHICALLY.
DEMOGRAPHICALLY. SO YOU SEE THE GOVERNOR’S RACE
THERE IS TIED.
ONE AREA YOU SEE ALMOST A
SPILLOVER EFFECT FROM THAT,
REMEMBER THIS ONE, DEMOCRATS
PUMPED $30 MILLION LAST YEAR FOR
THAT GUY, JOHN ASHOV.
THEY GOT CLOSES IN THAT RACE AND
LOST BY JUST FOUR POINTS.
HANDEL IS ONLY LEADING BY FOUR
POINTS.
POINTS. THEY ARE SEEING THESE ARE SUSH
BUSHES THAT MITT ROMNEY CARRIED
BY 20 PLUS POINTS IN 2012.
CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TRUMP
PLUS ONE IN 2016.
DEMOGRAPHIC WILLY, IT’S CHANGING
AND NEXT DOOR, VERY SIMILAR
STORY.
STORY. A PLACE TRUMP HAD WON BY 22 --
EXCUSE ME, TRUMP WON BY 7,
ROMNEY WON BY 22.
YOU GOT A SINGLE DIGIT POLL
TAKEN IN THE RACE THIS WEEK FOR
THE REPUBLICAN INCUMBENT.
WE TALK ABOUT THESE OBVIOUS
TARGETS DEMOCRATS HAVE ON THE
MAP IN THE HOUSE.
THERE’S A WHOLE LAYER BEHIND IT.
ROB WOULDALLODALL.
ROB WOULDALLODALL. THAT IS A PLACE WHERE A COUPLE
YEARS AGO REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE
WON JUST LIKE THAT.
>> TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT ISSUES
VOTERS ARE REALLY FOCUSSING ON
THERE, WHAT DID YOU FIND?
>> WELL, IT’S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF
WHAT YOU HEAR FROM NATIONAL
DEMOCRATIC LEADERS, NATIONAL
REPUBLICAN LEADERS OR THE MEDIA.
REALLY.
REALLY. I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE
CONVERSATION YOU WERE HAVING AT
THE TOP OF THE HOUR ABOUT HEALTH
CARE, ABOUT THINGS THAT
PERSONALLY
PERSONALLY PERSONALLY AFFECT THEIR BOTTOM
LINE.
LINE. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THE ONE
EXCEPT IS THE CARA VAN.
THIS IS A WEEK AGO BEFORE THE
CARAVAN GOT OVERHEATED.
REPRESENTATIVE DON BACON RUNNING
IN A DISTRICT THAT’S PRETTY
SPLIT, EVERY SINGLE QUESTION,
JOE, THAT DON BACON GOT WAS
ABOUT THE CARA VAN OR ABOUT
IMMIGRATION.
IMMIGRATION. SO THIS ISSUE HAS PERMEATED THE
REPUBLICAN CONSCIOUSNESS IN A
WAY THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY
HELPFUL.
HELPFUL. I THINK WE’VE SEEN THAT ALREADY
TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO THE
DEMOCRATS DO?
DEMOCRATS DO? THE DEMOCRATS AREN’T TALKING
ABOUT IMMIGRATION AT ALL.
THEY’RE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS
FOCUSED ON HEALTH CARE.
AS THEY BELIEVE THEY SHOULD
BECAUSE IT REALLY IS, WHEN YOU
TALK TO VOTERS, WHAT THEY CARE
ABOUT.
ABOUT. BUT THIS WHOLE FRAUDULENT NOTION
OF OPEN BOARDERS IS BEING LEFT
UNANSWERED.
UNANSWERED. AND IT’S JUST NOT TRUE.
BUT YOU WON’T FIND ANY DEMOCRATS
WHO WANT TO ENGAGE TRUMP ON THAT
AND I THINK THEY’RE SUFFERING
BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE IT DOES
MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE THEY DON’T
CARE ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
>> YOU KNOW, WILLIE, DAVID FRUMM
WROTE AN ARTICLE ABOUT THIS
YESTERDAY IN THE ATLANTIC.
AND HIS ARGUMENT WAS PRETTY
SIMPLE.
SIMPLE. HEY, DEMOCRATS JUST RESPOND TO
THIS AND SAY WE DON’T WANT OPEN
BOARDERS.
BOARDERS. WE WANT TO THAT PEOPLE GET
INTO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, WE
DON’T THINK IT’S RIGHT THAT
PEOPLE COME UP TO OUR BORDERS
AND OVERWHELM IT AND WE ARE
OPPOSED TO POROUS BORDERS AS
MUCH AS THE REST OF AMERICANS,
BUT THERE HAS BEEN NO RESPONSE
WHICH HAS ALLOWED DONALD TRUMP
TO LIE ABOUT BUILDING A WALL AND
LIE ABOUT THE IMPACT OF CARAVANS
AND LIE ABOUT ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION AND, OF COURSE, LIE
ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE COMING IN
FROM MEXICO WHEN WE STILL HAVE A
NET NEGATIVE IMMIGRATION PATTERN
THERE, MORE PEOPLE GOING BACK TO
MEXICO THAN COMING HERE.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS
INTERESTING, TOO, EDDIE, THE
IDEA BEHIND FAMILY SEPARATION
WAS THAT IT WAS A DETERRENT.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> FOR MIGRANTS, IT WAS A
DETERRENT TO LEGAL MIGRATION.
WHAT HAPPENED THERE IF YOU HAVE
THIS DANGEROUS CARAVAN OF
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INVADING
FROM THE BORDER, PERHAPS FAMILY
SEPARATION WASN’T THE DETERRENT
THE PRESIDENT SAID IT WAS.
>> I THINK THE ARGUMENT THAT HAS
TO BE MADE, WILLIE, IS THAT WHO
ARE WE?
ARE WE? WHAT DO WE STAND FOR AS A
COUNTRY?
COUNTRY? WHAT ARE OUR VALUES?
TO KIND OF SHOW THAT THIS
IMMIGRATION POLICY REFLECTS WHAT
WITTMAN WOULD DESCRIBE AS A
CALLOUSNESS OF THE SPIRIT.
DON’T BEGIN WITH THE ARGUMENT
ABOUT ILLEGAL ARGUMENT, DON’T
BEGIN WITH THE ARGUMENT WITHIN
THEIR FRAME ABOUT DENYING OPEN
BORDERS, BEGIN WITH THE CLAIM
ABOUT WHO DO WE TAKE OURSELVES
TO BE AND TO BEGIN TO MAKE A
CLAIM OR TO DESCRIBE WHY THESE
FOLK ARE LEAVING HONDURAS AND
GUATEMALA AND HOW DO WE
REPRESENT OURSELVES.
REPRESENT OURSELVES. AND THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT YOU
ARE COMMITTED TO OPEN BORDERS OR
YOU ARE COMMITTED TO
UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS ENTERING
THE COUNTRY IN, QUOTE/UNQUOTE,
ILLEGAL WAYS.
ILLEGAL WAYS. WHAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO IS WHO
WE TAKE OURSELVES TO BE AND WHAT
THE REPUBLICANS ARE DOING, WHAT
DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE IS
UNDERMINE A CONSISTENT STANDARD
STORY ABOUT THE GREATNESS OF
THIS COUNTRY.
THIS COUNTRY. NOW, I KNOW A DIFFERENT SIDE OF
AMERICA AND SO DO THESE PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT THE DEMOCRATS NEED
TO PUT FORWARD A POSITIVE VISION
OF WHO DO WE TAKE OURSELVES TO
BE IN CONTRAST TO WHAT THESE
FOLK ARE SAYING.
>> YOU KNOW, EDDIE, THE
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES WHO GET
ELECTED THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, WHETHER IT’S
BARACK OBAMA OR WHETHER IT’S
BILL CLINTON, WILL SAY, WHO ARE
WE?
WE? WE ARE A NATION WITH A BIG
HEART, WE ARE A NATION WITH A
STATUE OF LIBERTY AT THE HEAD OF
NEW YORK HARBOR, WE ARE A
COUNTRY THAT HAS FED AND FREED
MORE PEOPLE IN THE HISTORY OF
THIS PLANET.
THIS PLANET. THAT IS WHO WE ARE, BUT WE’RE
ALSO A NATION OF LAWS.
WE WANT IMMIGRANTS TO COME TO
THIS COUNTRY.
THIS COUNTRY. WE WANT REFUGEES TO COME TO THIS
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. WE WANT PEOPLE TO SEND THEIR
TIRED AND THEIR HUNGRY, THEIR
POOR, THEIR HUDDLED MASSES, BUT
WE’RE STILL A NATION OF LAWS AND
IT’S THAT BALANCE THAT MAKES
AMERICA SO GREAT.
THAT’S WHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE TO
DO.
DO. THAT’S WHAT BILL CLINTON DID.
THAT’S WHAT BARACK OBAMA DID.
THAT’S NOT WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE
DOING TODAY AND IT’S NOT THAT
HARD TO DO.
I MEAN, I DON’T THINK IT’S THAT
HARD TO GET THAT MESSAGE OUT
THERE, THAT, YES, WE ARE A
NATION OF THESE VALUES, BUT ONE
OF THOSE VALUES IS THE RULE OF
LAW.
LAW. LET’S WORK BETTER AT BALANCING
THOSE TWO VALUES.
>> YOU KNOW, JOE, I THINK PART
OF WHAT I’M ARGUING IS THAT YOU
CAN MAKE THE CLAIM FOR
IMMIGRATION POLICY PREDICATED
UPON THE VALUES THAT WE ARE
COMMITTED TO WITHOUT STIPULATING
TO THE CLAIM THAT THE
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IS BROKEN,
WITHOUT STIPULATING TO THE CLAIM
THAT SHOWER’ COMMITTED TO OPEN
BORDERS.
BORDERS. PART OF WHAT I THINK WE HAVE TO
DO, THAT IS, THOSE OF US ON THE
LEFT, WE HAVE TO RESIST THE
FRAMING OF THE ISSUES THAT
REPUBLICANS PUT FORWARD.
WE KNOW REPUBLICANS DON’T GIVE A
DAMN ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW.
THAT’S HOW WE OPENED UP OUR
SEGMENT AT 6:00 THIS MORNING,
RIGHT, THAT THEY DON’T CARE
ABOUT THE DUE PROCESS.
THEY ARE ONLY INVOKING THE RULE
OF LAW BECAUSE THEY’RE INVOKING
THE LONG STANDING KIND OF, YOU
KNOW, SCARY GHOST OF THE
BARBARIANS AT THE GATE.
WE’VE HEARD THAT SINCE EDMOND
BURKE.
BURKE. SO PART OF WHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE
TO DO, I THINK, JOE, IS SHIFT
THE CENTER OF THE GRAVITY OF THE
DEBATE AND STIPULATE TO THE
CLAIM THAT WE’RE COMMITTED TO
REASONABLE IMMIGRATION POLICY,
BUT TO PUT FORWARD WHO WE
ACTUALLY ARE, A SENSE OF WHO THE
COUNTRY ACTUALLY IS.
>> WILLIE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU
CAN ALSO DO IF YOU ARE A
DEMOCRAT?
DEMOCRAT? YOU CAN JUST STATE THE TRUTH.
>> THAT’S TRUE.
>> YOU CAN JUST TELL THE TRUTH
AND SAY THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE
GOING BACK TO MEXICO THAN ARE
COMING TO THE UNITED STATES AND
THAT THEY’RE JUST A FRACTION OF
PEOPLE COMING TO THIS COUNTRY
ILLEGALLY COMPARED TO WHAT IT
WAS LIKE AT THE BEGINNING OF
BARACK OBAMA’S TERM.
YOU COULD TALK ABOUT -- YOU
COULD TALK ABOUT HOW ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION IN THIS COUNTRY HAS
GONE DOWN AND WENT DOWN
REPEATEDLY UNDER BARACK OBAMA.
IT’S SEEN A LITTLE SPIKE UNDER
DONALD TRUMP, THAT’S WHY HE’S
FREAKING OUT, BUT YOU CAN JUST
TELL THE TRUTH.
JUST SAY THIS IS SCARE
MONGERING.
MONGERING. AMERICANS WILL GET IT.
>> TELL THE TRUTH AND DO WHAT
YOU SAID, BARACK OBAMA SAID
YEARS AGO, HE TALKED ABOUT THE
RULE OF LAW.
PRESIDENT TRUMP TWEETED OUT A
CLIP YESTERDAY OF BARACK OBAMA
THEN SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS
TALKING ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE STRONG
BORDERS.
BORDERS. SO THERE IS A WAY THROUGH THIS.
JOHN OPENED THE SHOW WITH A
MAGNA CARTA REFERENCE, PROFESSOR
GLAUDE SAME BACK WITH A WALT
WHITMAN QUOTE.
WHITMAN QUOTE. THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT AT
7:00 A.M. JEREMY PETERS, THANK
YOU, STEVE KORNACKI THANK YOU AS
WELL.
WELL. STEVE’S NEW BOOK IS "THE RED AND
THE BLUE: THE 1990s AND THE
BIRTH OF POLITICAL TRIBALISM."
>>> COMING UP, THE PRESIDENT
SAID THE KILLING OF JAMAL
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